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Michael Cohen Testimony live before the House Oversight Committee


>>>WE WILL SHOW YOU A LIVE LOOK RIGHT NOW INSIDE THE HEARING ROOM WHERE PRESIDENT TRUMP’S FORMER ATTORNEY MICHAEL COHEN WILL GIVE HIS ONLY PUBLIC TESTIMONY OVER THE COURSE OF THREE DAYS. HE ARRIVED ON CAPITOL HILL A SHORT TIME AGO AND YESTERDAY HE ANSWERED SENATOR QUESTIONS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS FOR NEARLY 9 HOURS. >>IS EXPECTED TO SAY THAT WHILE THE PRESENT DID NOT DIRECTLY TELL THEM TO LIE TO CONGRESS, HE MADE CLEAR THAT HE WANTED MICHAEL COHEN TO LIE ABOUT NEGOTIATIONS DURING THE 2016 CAMPAIGN TO BUILD A TRUMP TOWER IN MOSCOW. MICHAEL COHEN SAYS HE WILL TURN OVER EVIDENCE BEING POSSIBLE CRIMINAL CONDUCT BY PRESIDENT TRUMP DURING HIS TIME IN OFFICE. WORK MORE ON THE POSSIBLE RAMIFICATIONS, WE ARE JOINED BY LEGAL ANALYST RICKY KLEEMAN AND KIER DOUGAL. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >>WE’VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THESE PREPARED STATEMENTS AND IT GIVES A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT MICHAEL COHEN IS GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT HE WILL BE SAYING, AND IN IT, RIGHT AWAY, HE SAYS I KNOW THAT YOU WILL CALL ME A LIAR, HIS PLED GUILTY TO LYING, AND HE EXPLAINS, HERE IS WHY I LIKE, BUT ALSO HE SAYS TO COMBAT THAT, I AM PROVIDING YOU WITH DOCUMENTATION. IN PART OF THE DOCUMENTATION IS A COPY OF THE CHECK THAT VLAD HAS RIGHT THERE THAT HE SAYS IS ONE OF MANY CHECKS HE RECEIVED AS REPAYMENT FOR MONEY HE USED ON HIS OWN MONEY THAT HE USED THE PAYOUT HUSH MONEY THE STAR , STORMY DANIELS. THAT IS AT THE CORE. THAT SEEMS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, BECAUSE HE IS SAYING THIS IS WHAT WAS HAPPENING WHILE THE PRESIDENT WAS IN OFFICE. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND PRIOR TO IT, HOW BIG A DEAL IS THIS? >>IT COULD BE A BIG DEAL, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE DEFENSE TO THAT IS, BUT THE REASON IT COULD BE A BIG DEAL IS WE KNOW ALREADY THAT MICHAEL COHEN HAS PLED GUILTY TO FELONY COUNTS, BACK WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND TWO OF THEM CONCERN BEING DIRECTED BY INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE WHO IS IDENTIFIED BY MR. COHEN AS WELL AS THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT AS BEING PRESENT DONALD TRUMP. AND TO GO FORWARD AND PAY TWO WOMEN HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS, WHY? IT WAS THE EVE OF THE ELECTION, AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS NEWS DID NOT GET OUT, SO IT IS A MUCH TIGHTER TIME PERIOD THAT LOOKS OBVIOUSLY BAD ENOUGH FOR MICHAEL COHEN THAT HE PLED GUILTY AND IT REALLY DOESN’T LOOK TOO GOOD FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP EVEN THOUGH HE WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT A SIMPLE CAMPAIGN VIOLATION WHICH THEY USUALLY DEAL WITH BY CIVIL REMEDY. HOWEVER, MICHAEL COHEN SAYS HE FRONTED HIS OWN MONEY INCLUDING TAKING OUT A HOME EQUITY LOAN. >>AND THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP REIMBURSED HIM, SO THIS CHECK, THIS DOCUMENT SAYS MICHAEL COHEN IS ONE PAYMENT OF MANY THAT SHOWS HE WAS IN FACT, REIMBURSED WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE. SO THAT IS TO SHOW THAT THERE WAS CRIMINAL ACTION, NOT ONLY WHILE CAMPAIGNING, BUT AS PART OF THE COVER-UP THAT CONTINUED DURING THE PRESIDENCY. A QUICK DEFENSE, WHY WOULD I EVER DO SOMETHING CRIMINAL AND BRING A CHECK? THESE WERE FOR SERVICES RENDERED, THIS IS A PAYMENT, HE WAS ON A RETAINER AND THIS IS JUST PART OF THE PAYMENTS THAT I MADE TO HIM IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF EVENTS FOR HIS WORK. >>THAT’S LIKE THE JUSSIE SMOLLETT DEFENSE. >>>I WANT A QUOTE FROM THE OPENING STATEMENT THAT MR. COHEN WILL DELIVER IN THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. THIS IS A QUOTE, HE, THE PRESENT WAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO KNEW THAT ROGER STONE WAS TALKING WITH JULIE AND ASSIGNS ABOUT A WIKILEAKS DROP OF DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE EMAILS. EXPLAIN, THESE EMAILS WERE HACKED BY WIKILEAKS, THE PRESIDENT FAMOUSLY IN FRONT OF, SAID WIKILEAKS, I LOVE WIKILEAKS. >>WHY IS THIS SIGNIFICANT WHAT MICHAEL COHEN IS SAYING? >>HE ALSO SAID ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, RUSSIA, IF YOU’RE LISTENING, AND YOU CAN FIND THOSE 30,000 HILLARY EMAILS, I’M SURE THE PRESS WOULD BE DELIGHTED OR WORDS TO THAT EFFECT, SO THE REASON WHY THIS IS SIGNIFICANT IS THAT IT IS, THE PROSECUTION THEORY WOULD BE THAT MR. STONE POTENTIALLY IS AN AGENT OF THE CAMPAIGN EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN’T HAVE A FORMAL ROLE AND HE IS COORDINATING WITH, IN ADVANCE OF THIS DROP OF POTENTIALLY HARMFUL EMAILS THAT WERE STOLEN FROM RUSSIA. THAT WOULD BE THE PROSECUTION THEORY, THE DEVIL WILL BE IN THE DETAILS. PARTICULARLY WITH THE TIMING, BECAUSE MR. JULIAN ASSANGE THROUGH WIKILEAKS MADE STATEMENTS WEEKS EARLIER THAN WHAT IS REPORTED HERE BY MR. COHEN ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS, THE WIKILEAKS HAD THE EMAILS AND THEY WOULD BE DAMAGING TO THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN. >>TWO OTHER DETAILS, IF YOU REMEMBER ROGER STONE’S AFFIDAVIT, THERE WAS THE LITTLE PHRASE DIRECTED BY A SENIOR MEMBER OF THE CAMPAIGN. EVERYONE WAS THINKING, WELL WHO IS A SENIOR MEMBER? COULD THEY BE ELUDING TO DONALD TRUMP? AND ROGER STONE SAYS HE WAS NEVER IN CONTACT WITH JULIAN ASSANGE AND HE BASICALLY SAYS THAT HE IS BLOWING A LITTLE BIT OF HOT AIR. AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY CONTACT? IT BECOMES VERY VAGUE. IT BECOMES IMPORTANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT BOTH THE PRESIDENT AND ROGER STONE SAY I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT THERE ARE OTHER INTERESTING PIECES IN THE OPENING STATEMENT AND THERE IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS 2016 TRUMP TOWER MEETING FOR WHAT IT’S WORTH. HE DESCRIBES IT AS SOMETHING HE PIECED TOGETHER AS HE THOUGHT ABOUT IT LATER ON. HE REMEMBERS DON JUNIOR COMING TO HIS FATHER’S OFFICE AND WALKING BEHIND THE DESK AND SORT OF TALKING IN LOW TERMS TO DONALD TRUMP, AND THEN SUGGESTING THAT THE, THE MEETING IS ON, AND THEN MICHAEL COHEN SAYS AFTERWARDS I REALIZED WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, IS ANY OF THAT SIGNIFICANT? IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE — >>PROVE IT. IT’S HEARSAY. >>IT ALL MAY BE SIGNIFICANT WHEN IT’S PUT TOGETHER AS A PACKAGE. ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT DONALD TRUMP, THE PRESIDENT HAS ALWAYS SAID THAT HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS MEETING AND HE HAS STEERED VERY CLEAR OF IT PUBLICLY. >>HE FIRST SAID HE HAD DRAFTED A STATEMENT THAT IT WAS ABOUT ADOPTION. >>THAT WAS ALLEGEDLY, THE PRESIDENT DRAFTED THE STATEMENT FOR HIS SON ON AIR FORCE ONE, THAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT ADOPTION, WHICH AGAIN, I ALWAYS SAY, IT’S NOT THE CRIME THAT ALWAYS GETS YOU IN TROUBLE, IT’S THE COVER- UP. BUT WHAT MICHAEL COHEN IS SAYING IN HIS OPENING STATEMENT IS THAT IF HE PUTS THE PIECES TOGETHER AS HE SAW THEM, IT WAS THAT DONALD TRUMP NEW THERE WOULD BE A MEETING BEFORE HAND AS WELL AS WHATEVER MAY HAVE HAPPENED AFTERWARD, AND IT WAS CONDONED. AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, WHAT IS THE DEFENSE TO ALL OF THIS? THE DEFENSE TO ALL OF THIS IS THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE NOT ENGAGED IN GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS IN THE PAST, THESE WERE BUSINESS PEOPLE, AND THEY DIDN’T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT THEY WERE DOING IS INAPPROPRIATE, WHICH WE HAVE CERTAINLY HEARD FROM THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AS WELL AS FROM MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO WOULD SAY LOOK, IF YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE ANY CONTACT, SOMEONE IS CONTACTING YOU FROM THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT OR AN ENEMY GOVERNMENT, THE FIRST CALL YOU MAKE US TO THE FBI, NOT TO YOUR FATHER. THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS IN THE OPENING STATEMENT WHICH WE WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT MICHAEL COHEN BELIEVES THAT DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING WITHOUT THE PERMISSION AND CONSENT OF HIS FATHER. >>WE JUST SAW, I DON’T KNOW IF WE HAVEN’T, BUT I HAVE IT ON MY DESK, WE JUST SAW A TWEET FROM MAGGIE HABERMAN WHO COVERED PRESIDENT TRUMP BEFORE HE WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR MANY YEARS IN NEW YORK CITY, SHE APPARENTLY JUST SPOKE TO ROGER STONE AND THIS IS A QUOTE FROM MAGGIE, MR. COHEN’S STATEMENT IS UNTRUE, SHE TELLS ME BY PHONE AND ROGER STONE AND OTHERS CAN LIE TO THE PRESS, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT ROGER STONE HAS TOLD THE GOVERNMENT ABOUT HIS DEALINGS WITH WIKILEAKS OR IS NOT DEALINGS WITH WIKILEAKS. SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER TRUMP TOWER, AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO TAKE PLACE OR SUPPOSEDLY OING TO HAPPEN IN MOSCOW. THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD A TRUMP TOWER PROJECT IN MOSCOW. HERE IS WHAT MR. COHEN SAYS IN HIS STATEMENT, MR. TRUMP KNEW OF AND DIRECTED THE TRUMP- MOSCOW NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT. HE LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE ELECTION. HE ALSO LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE STOOD TO MAKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE MOSCOW REAL ESTATE PROJECT. I WANT TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST. >>I HAVE A GREAT COMPANY, I BUILT AN UNBELIEVABLE COMPANY, BUT IF YOU LOOK, THERE IS NOTHING IN RUSSIA. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT RUSSIA COME I KNOW ABOUT RUSSIA, BUT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE INNER WORKINGS OF RUSSIA. I HAVE NO BUSINESSES AND NO LOANS FROM RUSSIA, NO DEALINGS WITH RUSSIA. I HAVE NO DEALS IN RUSSIA, I HAVE NO DEALS THAT COULD HAPPEN IN RUSSIA, BECAUSE WE HAVE STAYED AWAY. AND I HAVE NO LOANS WITH RUSSIA. >>SO IF WHAT MICHAEL COHEN IS SAYING TURNS OUT TO BE TRUE, WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS DOES THAT POSE FOR THE PRESIDENT? >>THE LARGER PROBLEM IS WITH RESPECTTO MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY THAT HE UNDERSTOOD THE PRESIDENT TO BE TELLING A LIE TO CONGRESS IN A STATEMENT THAT HE GAVE. THAT’S THE BIG PROBLEM. THAT DENIAL THAT YOU HEAR HIM SAYING I HAD NO DEALINGS WITH AND KNOW THINGS THAT COULD’VE BEEN DEALS, THOSE ARE FLATLY CONTRADICTED BY WHAT MR. COHEN IS GOING TO TESTIFY TO CONGRESS TODAY AND WHAT IS WRITTEN IN HIS WRITTEN STATEMENT. BUT IF IT IS THE CASE THAT THE PRESIDENT IMPLICITLY OR BY EFFECTIVELY THROUGH CODED LANGUAGE TOLD MR. COHEN TO LIE TO CONGRESS IN HIS INITIAL TESTIMONY, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM FOR THE PRESIDENT AND IT WOULD REPRESENT OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. THE DEFENSE OF COURSE IS THAT WELL, HE MISUNDERSTOOD ME, I DIDN’T MEAN THAT. BUT UNDERSTAND THAT AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR, HEARING DEFENDANTS IN AN ALLEGED CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY TALK THIS WAY AND USE LANGUAGE THAT ISN’T WRITTEN DOWN THE WAY YOU WOULD WRITE IT IN AN APPROPRIATE FORMAL CONTRACT, IT IS SPOKEN IN WAYS WHERE THERE IS AN UNDERSTANDING, THAT IS A TYPICAL WAY THAT CO- CONSPIRATORS DESCRIBE WHAT THEY WANT TO EACH OTHER. >>BECAUSE IN HIS WRITTEN REMARKS EMMA HE SAYS THE PRESIDENT NEVER SAID GO DO BUSINESS IN MOSCOW OR WHATEVER, BUT HE SORT OF LOOKED HIM IN THE EYE AND SAID THERE IS NOTHING GOING ON IN MOSCOW, I’M PARAPHRASING, BUT HE TOOK THAT. AND WHEN HE SAW THE PRESIDENT PUBLICLY DENY DOING BUSINESS IN MOSCOW, HE GOT THE MESSAGE THAT HE NEEDS TO DENY ANY OF THAT STUFF. >>SO HE MOVED THE DATE BACK. AS EARLY AS HE COULD WITHIN REASON. ONE OF THE THINGS IS MICHAEL COHEN KNOWS, LET’S POINT OUT THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS ENTERING THE HEARING ROOM. LOOK AT THE CHAOS. PEOPLE THING PHOTOS WITH PHONES. THEY ARE SNAPPING PICTURES AND NANCY CORDES WHO WE SPOKE TO EARLIER SAID THAT >>YOU CAN TELL HE’S AN ATTORNEY, BUT THEY SEEM REALLY PERSONAL.>>THEY ARE PERSONAL.>>HE HAD A VERY LONG-TERM PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP, AND WHAT I STARTED TO SAY, FEEDS RIGHT INTO YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE’S GOING TO GET PUMMELLED BY THE REPUBLICANS FOR BEING A LIAR. HE’S AN ADMITTED LIAR, AND HE HAS LIED TO CONGRESS, SO NOW HE HAS TO GET CONGRESS AND WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. THESE TWO PEOPLE WERE CLOSE. THEY CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER IN A WAY THAT OF COURSE YOU CAN HAVE ONE PERSON WHO IS A LIAR BUT THE OTHER PERSON WHO GOES ALONG WITH THE LIE, WHICH DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE LYING NOW.>>RICKY, IT’S A POINT YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO HAMMER MICHAEL COHEN HE’S A LIAR — AND I THINK THE MEETING IS JUST GETTING UNDERWAY — BUT THE PRESIDENT HAS NOT BEEN TRUTHFUL IN SO MANY INSTANCES, IT’S HARD TO DEFEND OR ATTACK SOMEBODY WHO IS LYING WHO SAYS IN A STATEMENT, I’M GOING TO JAIL IN PART BECAUSE OF MY DECISION TO HELP MR. TRUMP HIDE THAT PAYMENT, THE PAYMENT OF $130,000 TO BE PAID TO MS. CLIFFORD IN THE CLOSING DAYS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. I’M GOING TO JAIL TO HELP MR. TRUMP HIDE THAT PAYMENT FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEFORE THEY GET IT A FEW DAYS LATER. ANOTHER WORDS HE’S ADMITTING HE’S SAYING HE’S A LIAR, HE’S SHOWING HE’S SORRY, WHEREAS YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONTINUING TO DENY, DENYING WITH DENY, EVEN WHEN THE FACTS DON’T SEEM TO LINE UP WITH WHAT HE’S SAYING.>>WHICH IS WHERE IT MAY BE MORE LOGICAL MICHAEL COHEN IS TELLING THE TRUTH TODAY. AND HE HAS EVERYTHING TO LOSE BY LYING TODAY. IF ANYBODY KNOWS THAT IT’S A PROBLEM TO LIE BEFOR CONGRESS, HE DOES.>>DO YOU THINK HE WAS TALKING NOT JUST TO THE LAWMAKERS THAT WOULD GRILL HIM, BUT ALSO TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?>>YES.>>ALL RIGHT. SO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE HAS JUST GATHERED IN. LET’S LISTEN.>>WE’RE BEGINNING TO HEAR THE TESTIMONY OF MICHAEL COHEN, FORMER PRESIDENT TO DONNAL TRUMP.>>MR. CHAIRMAN I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER.>>STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER.>>RULE 9 F OF THE COMMITTEE RULES SAY THAT ANY TESTIMONY FROM YOUR WITNESS NEEDS TO BE HERE 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE. THE COMMITTEE AND THE CHAIRMAN KNOWS WELL THAT AT 10:08 WE RECEIVED THE RITTEN TEST MONEY AND THEN WE RECEIVED EVIDENCE THIS MORNING AT 7:54. NOW, IF THIS WAS JUST AN OVERSIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I COULD LOOK BEYOND IT, BUT IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL EFFORT BY THIS WITNESS AND HIS ADVISORS TO ONCE AGAIN SHOW HIS DESTAIN FOR THIS BODY AND WITH THAT, I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE THIS HEARING.>>SIR?>>I WANT TO THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. I GOT THE TESTIMONY LATE LAST NIGHT, WE DID, AND WE GOT IT TO YOU-ALL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME TIME THAT WE GOT IT. I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS HEARING –>>MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE RULE AND IF IT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL, I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM. I’M NOT SAYING IT WAS INTENTIONAL ON YOUR PART, I’M SAYING IT’S INTENTIONAL ON HIS PART BECAUSE MR. DEAN, LAST NIGHT ON A CABLE NEWS NETWORK, ACTUALLY MADE IT ALL VERY EVIDENT. JOHN DEAN, AND I’LL QUOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN, HE SAID, AS A FORMER COMMITTEE COUNSEL IN THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND A LONG TERM WITNESS, SITTING ALONE AT THE TABLE IS IMPORTANT, QUOTE, HOLDING YOUR STATEMENT AS LONG AS YOU CAN SO THE OTHER SIDE CAN’T CHEW IT UP IS IMPORTANT, AS WELL, CLOSED QUOTE. SO IT WAS ADVISED THAT OUR WITNESS GOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR BODY AND MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN YOU WERE IN THE MINORITY, YOU WOULDN’T HAVE STOOD FOR IT AND I CAN TELL YOU WE SHOULD NOT STAND FOR IT AS A BODY.>>LET ME SAY THIS –>>MR. CHAIRMAN?>>YES?>>I MOVE TO TABLE.>>MR. CHAIRMAN?>>IS THAT SECOND?>>MR. CHAIRMAN? I WAS ASKED TO BE RECOGNIZED BEFORE THE MOTION.>>THE VOTE IS SO TABLING THE MOTION –>>DO YOU KNOW WHO HAD THIS MATERIAL BEFORE ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE?>>EXCUSE ME.>>CNN HAD IT BEFORE WE DID.>>SIR?>>CNN HAD THE EXHIBITS BEFORE WE DID.>>THE VOTE IS ON TABLING THE MOTION TO POSTPONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NO.>>THE AYES HAVE IT.>>I APPEAL THE RULING OF THE CHAIR. YES, I — I CAN ASSURE YOU IT’S IN THE RULES. I APPEAL THE RULING OF THE CHAIR.>>DO THE RULES MATTER, MR. CHAIRMAN?>>MOVE TO WAIVE THE RULES.>>THERE IS A MOTION TO TABLE.>>MOVE TO TABLE.>>CHAIRMAN?>>THE VOTE — THE VOTE –>>SHE MADE TWO MOTIONS. WHAT’S THE MOTION?>>THE VOTE IS ON TABLING –>>I MOVE TO TABLE THE APPEAL TO THE RULING OF THE CHAIR.>>THE VOTE IS ON THAT, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NO. THE AYES HAVE IT.>>I ASKED FOR A RECORDED VOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>VERY WELL. CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL.>>MR. CUMMMINGS?>>YES. MS. NORTON VOTES YES. MR. CLAY? MR. CLAY VOTES YES. MR. LYNCH? MR. LYNCH VOTES YES. MR. COOPER VOTES YES. MR. CONNOLLY? MR. CONNOLLY VOTES YES. MR. RASKIN VOTES YES. MR. RUDA? MR. RUDA VOTES YES. MR. HILL VOTES YES. MR. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ VOTES YES. MR. WELSH, MR. WELSH VOTES YES. MS. SPEAR VOTES YES. MS. KELLY –>>JUST TO BRIEFLY –>>OFF TO A ROCKY START.>>A LITTLE FIREWORKS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS. JUST TO EXPLAIN WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE, THE REPUBLICANS ARE SEEKING TO DELAY THE START OF THIS HEARING SO WHAT THEY’VE DONE IS THEY’VE ASKED THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE, ELIJAH CUMMINGS, TO DELAY THIS TESTIMONY AND THE MR. CHAIRMAN HAS SAID IT’S NOT GOING TO BE DELAYED. THEY VOTED ON THAT AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE ASKING TO COUNT THE VOTES, THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENED.>>AND IT’S BASED ON WHAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE CONSIDERING A STATION OF RULES. YOU MAY BE ABLE TO HELP US BUT IT’S SOMETHING TO DO WITH EVIDENCE NEEDING TO BE SUBMITTED WITH IN 24 HOURS OF TESTIMONY AND THE ARGUMENT WAS AT LEAST THE LAWMAKERS GOT SOME EVIDENCE EARLY THIS MORNING?>>CORRECT. AND SO THEY’RE ALSO BLAMING IT ON MICHAEL COHEN IT WAS TO QUOTE AN INTENTIONAL VIOLATION, IT WAS THEN THE QUOTE OF JOHN DEAN SAYING THAT THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO IS HOLD YOUR OPENING STATEMENT CLOSE, DON’T LET THE OTHER SIDE GET IT TOO EARLY BECAUSE THEN THEY’LL BE READY TO INTERROGATE YOU AND I THINK THIS MAY BE MUCH ADIEU ABOUT NOTHING, BUT IT THROWS MICHAEL COHEN, POTENTIALLY.>>SURE. LOOK, THE STATEMENT ISN’T THAT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND.>>I’M SORRY, LET’S JUST LISTEN IN.>>ON THIS VOTE WE HAVE 24 YES YES’S, 14 SNOWS.>>NOS.>>YOU’VE MADE IT CLEAR YOU DON’T WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO HEAR WHAT MR. COHEN HAS TO SAY. BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HEAR HIM, SO WE’RE GOING TO PROCEED. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN JUDGE HIS CREDIBILITY FOR THEMSELVES. NOW –>>MR. CHAIRMAN?>>WE DID NOT SAY THAT. WE JUST SAID WE WANTED TO FOLLOW THE RULES. WE DIDN’T SAY STOP THE HEARING. WE JUST SAID POSTPONE IT SO WE COULD GET THE TESTIMONY AND THE EXHIBITS WHEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET IT ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THE COMMITTEE. WE DIDN’T SAY WE DIDN’T WANT TO HEAR FROM HIM.>>HE CLAIMING MY TIME. I NOW RECOGNIZE MYSELF FOR FIVE MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPENING STATEMENT. TODAY, THE COMMITTEE WILL HEAR THE TESTIMONY OF MICHAEL COHEN. PRESIDENT TRUMP’S LONG TIME PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND ONE OF HIS CLOSEST AND MOST TRUSTED ADVISERS OVER THE LAST DECADE. MR. COHEN ADMITTED TO ARRANGING SECRET PAY OFFS OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THE EVE OF THE ELECTION TO SILENCE WOMEN ALLEGING AFFAIRS WITH DONALD TRUMP. MR. COHEN ADMITTED TO VIOLATING CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS AND OTHER LAWS. HE ADMITTED TO COMMITTING THESE FELONIES, QUOTE, IN COORDINATION WITH AND AT THE DIRECTION OF, UNQUOTE, PRESIDENT TRUMP. AND HE ADMITTED — HE ADMITTED TO LYING ABOUT HIS ACTIONS TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT. SOME WILL CERTAINLY ASK IF MR. COHEN WAS LYING THEN, WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE HIM NOW? THIS IS A QUIT QUESTION. AS A TRIAL LAWYER FOR MANY YEARS, I’VE FACED THIS SITUATION OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND I ASK THE SAME QUESTION. HERE IS NOW I VIEW OUR ROLE. EVERY ONE OF US IN THIS ROOM HAS A DUTY TO SERVE AS AN INDEPENDENT CHECK ON THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE STATEMENTS OF HIS OWN AND NOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HEAR THE OTHER SIDE. THEY CAN WATCH MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY AND MAKE THEIR OWN JUDGMENT. WE RECEIVED A COPY OF MR. COHEN’S WRITTEN STATEMENT LATE LAST NIGHT. IT INCLUDES NOT ONLY PERSONAL EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF MEETINGS WITH DONALD TRUMP AS PRESIDENT INSIDE THE OVAL OFFICE, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES DOCUMENTS AND OTHER CORROBORATING EVIDENCE OF SOME OF MR. COHEN’S STATEMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, MR. COHEN HAS PROVIDED A COPY OF A CHECK SENT WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE WITH DONALD TRUMP’S SIGNATURE ON IT, TO REIMBURSE MR. COHEN FOR THE HUSH-MONEY PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS. THIS THIS NEW EVIDENCE RAISES A HOST OF TROUBLE LEGAL AND ETHICAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S ACTIONS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND BEFORE. WOULD YOU-ALL CLOSE THAT DOOR, PLEASE? THANK YOU. THIS CHECK IS DATED AUGUST 1st, 2017. SIX MONTHS LATER, IN APRIL OF 2018, THE PRESIDENT DENIED ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IN APRIL OF 2018, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS FLYING ON AIR FORCE WHEN ONE A REPORTER ASKED HIM THE QUESTION, DID YOU KNOW ABOUT $130,000 PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS? THE ANSWER WAS, QUOTE, NO. A MONTH AFTER THAT, THE PRESIDENT ADMITTED TO MAKING PAYMENTS TO MR. COHEN BUT CLAIMED THEY WERE PART OF A QUOTE, MONTHLY RETAINER, END QUOTE, FOR LEGAL SERVICES. THIS CLAIM FELL APART IN AUGUST WHEN FEDERAL PROSECUTORS CONCLUDED — AND I QUOTE, IN TRUTH, AND IN FACT, THERE WAS NO SUCH RETAINER AGREEMENT, END OF QUOTE. TODAY, WE’LL ALSO HEAR MR. COHEN’S ACCOUNT OF A MEETING IN 2016 IN DONALD TRUMP’S OFFICE DURING WHICH ROGER STONE SAID OVER SPEAKERPHONE, HE HAD JUST SPOKE3 WITH JULIAN ASSANGE WHO SAID THERE WOULD BE A QUOTE MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN, END OF QUOTE. MR. TRUMP REPLIED, ACCORDING TO MR. COHEN, QUOTE, WOULDN’T THAN GREAT, END OF QUOTE. THE TESTIMONY MICHAEL COHEN WILL PROVIDE TODAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND DEEPLY DISTURBING AND IT SHOULD BE TROUBLING TO ALL AMERICANS. WE WILL ALL HAVE TO MAKE OUR OWN EVALUATION OF THE EVIDENCE, AND MR. COHEN’S CREDIBILITY. AS HE ADMITS, HE HAS REPEATEDLY LIED IN THE PAST. I AGREE WITH MEMBER JORDAN THIS IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR WE NEED TO WEIGH, BUT WE MUST WEIGH IT AND WE MUST HEAR FROM HIM. WHERE I AGREE FUNDAMENTALLY, WITH THE RANKING MEMBER, INVOLVES HIS EFFORTS TO PREVENT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM HEARING FROM MR. COHEN. MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY RAISES GRAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LEGALITY AND THE TRUTHFULFULNESS OF HIS STATEMENTS WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT. WE NEED TO ASSESS AND INVESTIGATE THIS NEW EVIDENCE AS WE UPHOLD OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITIES. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO GATHER MORE DOCUMENTS AND TEST MONEY IN OUR SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH. I’VE MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO MR. COHEN IF HE COMES HERE TODAY, AND HE DOES NOT TELL THE TRUTH, I WILL BE THE FIRST TO REFER THOSE UNTRUTHFL STATEMENTS TO DOJ. WHEN PEOPLE SAY HE DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO LOSE, HE HAS A LOT TO LOSE IF HE LIES. AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BY THE WAY, VOTED FOR ACCOUNTABILITY IN NOVEMBER. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO HEAR MR. COHEN IN PUBLIC SO THEY CAN MAKE MR. OWN JUDGMENTS. MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY IS THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE DAYS OF THIS COMMITTEE PROTECTING THE PRESIDENT AT ALL COSTS ARE OVER. THEY’RE OVER. BEFORE I CLOSE, I WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT THE SCOPE OF TODAY’S HEARING. AT THE REQUEST OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, MY VERY GOOD FRIEND, ADAM SCHIFF, CHAIRMAN, I INTENDED OVER THE OBJECTIONS OVER THE RANKING MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE TO LIMIT THE SCOPE OF TODAY’S HEARING TO AVOID QUESTIONS ABOUT RUSSIA. HOWEVER, MR. COHEN’S WRITTEN TESTIMONY, HE’S MADE STATEMENTS RELATING TO RUSSIA AND THESE ARE TOPICS THAT WE UNDERSTAND DO NOT RAISE CONCERNS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, SO IN FAIRNESS TO THE RANKING MEMBER AND ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS, WE WILL NOT RESTRICT QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE WITNESS’S TESTIMONY, OR QUESTIONS HE WOULD ANSWER. BE MINDFUL OF THOSE AREAS THERE ARE ONGOING DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATIONS. THOSE SCOPES LIMITATIONS HAVE NOT CHANGED. FINALLY HAVE BEEN MR. COHEN, MARTIN LUTHER KING, MR. COHEN SAID, BEFORE YOU TESTIFIY, HE SAID FAITH IS TAKING THE FIRST STEP EVEN WHEN YOU CAN’T SEE THE WHOLE STAIRCASE. THERE COMES A TIME WHEN SILENCE BECOMES BETRAYAL. OUR LIVES BEGIN TO END THE DAY WE BECOME SILENT ABOUT THINGS THAT TRULY MATTER. IN THE END, HE SAYS, WE WILL REMEMBER NOT THE WORDS OF OUR ENEMIES, BUT THE SILENCE OF OUR FRIENDS. AND WITH THAT, I YIELD TO THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN, THE RANKING MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE, MR. JORDAN.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY?>>MR. JORDAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR HIS OPENING STATEMENT.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, HERE WE GO. YOUR FIRST BIG HEARING, YOUR FIRST ANNOUNCED WITNESS, MICHAEL COHEN. I WANT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM TO THINK ABOUT THIS, THE FIRST ANNOUNCED WITNESS FOR THE 116th CONGRESS IS A GUY WHO IS GOING TO PRISON IN TWO MONTHS FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR CHAIRMAN SHIP WILL ALWAYS BE IDENTIFIED WITH THIS HEARING AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS. THIS IS THE MICHAEL COHEN HEARING PRESENTED BY LANNY DAVIS. THAT’S RIGHT. LANNY DAVIS, CHOREOGRAPHED THE WHOLE DARN THING, THE CLINTON’S BEST FRIENDS, LOYALIST, OPERATIVE, DANNY DAVIS, PUT THIS ALTOGETHER. HE TOLD OUR STAFF. HE TOLD THE COMMITTEE STAFF, THE HEARING WAS HIS IDEA. HE SELECTED THIS COMMITTEE AND HAD TO TALK MICHAEL COHEN INTO COMING AND MOST IMPORTANT, HE HAD TO ENTER SUEDE THE CHAIRMAN TO ACTUALLY HAVE IT. HE TOLD US IT TOOK TWO MONTHS TO GET THE JOB DONE, BUT HERE WE ARE. HE TALKED HIM INTO IT. THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE IS CONVICTED OF APPEARING IN CONGRESS HAS APPEARED SO QUICKLY IN FRONT OF CONGRESS. CERTAINLY IT’S THE FIRST TIME A CONVICTED PURGER HAS BEEN BROUGHT BACK TO BE A STAR WITNESS IN A HEARING. AND THERE IS THE REASON THIS IS THE A FIRST, BECAUSE NO OTHER COMMITTEE WOULD DO IT. THIS COMMITTEE IS ENCOURAGING A WITNESS TO VIOLATE ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE. MR. CHAIRMAN WHEN WE DELEGITIMIZE DISHONESTY. WE’RE CERTAINLY ALLOWED TO ASK CERTAIN QUESTIONS, THE REST IS NOW ON THE TABLE. YOU INITIALLY TOLD US WE CAN’T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIAL COUNSEL, CAN’T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, CAN’T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT RUSSIA. NOPE, NOPE, ONLY SUBJECTS WE CAN TALK ABOUT ARE ONES YOU THINK ARE GOING TO BE HARMFUL TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO COME FROM A GUY WHO CAN’T BE TRUSTED. HERE’S WHAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY SAID ABOUT MR. COHEN, WHILE MR. COHEN ENJOYED A PRIVILEGED LIFE, HIS DESIRE FOREVER GREATER WEALTH AND INFLUENCE PRECIPITATED AN EXTENSIVE COURSE OF CRIMINAL CONDUCT. MR. COHEN COMMITTED FOUR DISTINCT FEDERAL CRIMES OVER SEVERAL YEARS. HE WAS MOTIVATED BY PERSONAL GREED AND REPEATEDLY ON REPEATEDLY USED HIS POWER AND INFLUENCE FOR DECEPTIVE ENDS BUT THE DEMOCRATS DON’T CARE. THEY DON’T CARE. THEY JUST WANT TO USE YOU, MR. COHEN. YOU’RE THEIR PASTY TODAY. THEY’VE GOT TO FIND SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE TO SAY SOMETHING SO THEY CAN TRY TO REMOVE THE PRESIDENT FROM OFFICE BECAUSE TOM STIRE TOLD THEM TO. HE ORGANIZED A TOWN HALL WHERE? IN THE DISTRICT OF MANHATTAN. TWO NIGHTS AGO, TOM STIRE ORGANIZED A TOWN HALL IN THE DISTRICT OF BALTIMORE. THE BEST THEY CAN FIND TO START THIS PROCESS, MICHAEL COHEN, FRAUDSTER, CHEAT, CONVICTED FELON AND IN TWO MONTHS A FEDERAL INMATE. ACTUALLY THEY DIDN’T FIND HIM, LANNY DAVIS FOUND HIM. I’LL SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS, THEY STICK TO THE PLAY BOOK. REMEMBER. REMEMBER HOW ALL THIS STARTED. THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN HIRED PERKINS DEWY LAW FIRM, WHO HIRED GLENN SIMPSON, WHO HIRED A FOREIGNER, CHRISTOPHER STEAL, WHO PUT TOGETHER THE FAKE DOSSIER THE FBI USED A WARRANT TO SPY ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, BUT WHEN THAT WHOLE SCHEME FAILED, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAID WE’RE GOING TO MAKE DONALD TRUMP PRESIDENT, THEY SAID WE’VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. SO NOW CLINTON LOYALISTS AND OPERATIVES, CONVINCED LANNY DAVIS TO TELL STORIES AND LIE ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SO THEY CAN ALL START THEIR IMPEACHMENT PROCESS. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. I YIELD BACK.>>I WANTED TO NOTE –>>ACTUALLY, I HAVE A MOTION.>>THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED.>>UNDER 2K 6 OF 11.>>YOU YIELDED BACK.>>YOU TOOK SIX MINUTES. FIRST YOU DON’T FOLLOW THE RULES AND NOW YOU’RE GOING TO SAY –>>YOU’RE COURT ORDERED — REGULAR ORDER.>>YOU GET TO DEVIATE FROM THE RULES?>>REGULAR ORDER.>>I JUST HAVE A SIMPLE MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANTED TO HAVE THE TESTIMONY 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE.>>EXCUSE ME. I WANTED TO KNOW –>>HE’S ADDRESSED THAT.>>UNDER RULE 11, ALL MEDIA AND PHOTOGRAPHERS MUST BE OFFICIALLY CREDENTIALED TO RECORD THESE PROCEEDINGS AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS. I ALSO WANTED TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS THE SPECTATORS IN THE HEARING ROOM TODAY. WE WELCOME YOU AND WE RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO BE HERE. WE ALSO ASK IN TURN FOR YOUR RESPECT AS WE PROCEED WITH THE BUSINES OF THE COMMITTEE TODAY. IT IS THE INTENTION OF THE COMMITTEE TO PROCEED WITHOUT ANY DISRUPTIONS. ANY DISRUPTIONS OF THIS COMMITTEE WILL RESULT IN THE UNITED STATES CAPITAL POLICE RESTORING ORDER AND THEIR PROTESTORS WILL BE REMOVED AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE TODAY AND YOUR COOPERATION. NOW I WANT TO WELCOME MR. COHEN IN TODAY’S HEARING. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RISE AND I WILL BEGIN TO SWEAR YOU IN. RISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOT? LET THE RECORD SHOW THE WITNESS ANSWERED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, AND THANK YOU, YOU MAY BE SEATED. THE MICROPHONES ARE SENSITIVE, SO PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THEM WITHOUT OBJECTION, YOUR WRITTEN STATEMENT WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD. WITH THAT, MR. COHEN, YOU ARE NOWITZKI RECOGNIZED TO GIVE AN ORAL PRESENTATION OF YOUR TESTIMONY. IS YOUR MIC ON?>>YES.>>CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, RANKING MEMBER JORDAN, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME HERE TODAY. I HAVE ASKED THIS COMMITTEE TO ENSURE THAT MY FAMILY BE PROTECTED FROM PRESIDENTIAL THREATS ND THAT COMMITTEE BE SENSITIVE TO THE QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP AND FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING. I AM HERE UNDER OATH TO CORRECT THE RECORD, TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS TRUTHFULLY AND TO OFFER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT I KNOW ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP. I RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY DOUBT AND ATTACK ME ON MY CREDIBILITY. IT IS FOR THIS REASON THAT I HAVE INCORPORATED INTO THIS OPENING STATEMENT, DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IRREFUTABLE AND DEMONSTRATE THAT INFORMATION YOU WILL HEAR IS ACCURATE AND TRUTHFUL. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS, DID I IMAGINE WHEN I ACCEPTED A JOB IN 2007, TO WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP, THAT HE WOULD ONE DAY RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY TO LAUNCH A CAMPAIGN ON A PLATFORM OF HATE AND INTOLERANCE AND ACTIVELY WIN. I REGRET THE DAY I SAID YES TO MR. TRUMP. I REGRET ALL THE HELP AND SUPPORT I GAVE HIM ALONG THE WAY. I’M UPSET WITH MY OWN DISAPPOINTMENTS AND I AM ASHAMED OF MY WEAKNESS AND MY MISPLATED LOYALTY OF THE THINGS I DID FOR MR. TRUMP IN APP EFFORT TO PROTECT AND PROMOTE HIM. I AM ASHAMED THAT I CHOSE TO TAKE PART IN CONSEEMING MR. TRUMP’S ILLICIT ACTS, RATHER THAN LISTENING TO MY OWN CONSCIOUS. I’M ASHAMED BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT MR. TRUMP IS. HE IS A RACIST. HE IS A CON MAN. AND HE IS A CHEAT. HE WAS THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO KNEW ROGER STONE WAS TALKING WITH JULIAN ASSANGE ON ABOUT A WIKI LEAKS DROP. I’M PROVIDING THE PANEL TODAY WITH A COPY OF A CHECK MR. TRUMP WROTE FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY STATEMENTS I MADE TO COVER UP HIS AFFAIR WITH AN ADULT FILM STAR AND TO PREVENT DAMAGE TO HIS CAMPAIGN. COPIES OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FROM 2012, 2011, AND 2013, THAT HE GAVE TO SUCH INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS DEUCHE ANK. A PORTRAIT HIMSELF HE ARRANGED FOR A KIDDER AHEAD OF TIME AND REIMBURSED THE BIDDER OF HIS NONPROFIT CHARITABLE FOUNDATION, NOW HANGING IN ONE OF HIS RESORTS AND COPIES OF LETTERS I WROTE AT MR. TRUMP’S DIRECTION THAT THREATENED HIS HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGES, AND THE COLLEGE BOARD NOT TO RELEASE HIS GRADES OR S.A.T. SCORES. I HOPE MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY, MY GUILTY PLEA AND MY WORK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE STEPS ALONG A PATH OF REDEMPTION THAT WOULD RESTORE FAITH IN ME AND HELP THIS COUNTRY UNDERSTAND OUR PRESIDENT BETTER. BEFORE GOING FURTHER, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO EACH MEMBER TO USE CONGRESS AS A WHOLE. THE LAST TIME I APPEARED BEFORE CONGRESS, I CAME TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. TODAY, I AM HERE TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT MR. TRUMP. I LIED TO CONGRESS, BUT MR. TRUMP STOPPED NEGOTIATING THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT IN RUSSIA. I STATED WE STOPPED NEGOTIATIONING IN JANUARY OF 2016. THAT WAS FALSE. OUR NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUED FOR MONTHS LATER DURING THE CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP DID NOT DIRECTLY TELL ME TO LIE TO CONGRESS. THAT’S NOT HOW HE OPERATES. IN CONVERSATIONS WE HAD DURING THE CAMPAIGN, AT THE SAME TIME, I WAS ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING IN RUSSIA FOR HIM. HE WOULD LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND TELL ME, THERE IS NO RUSSIAN BUSINESS AND IF I WANTED TO LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY SAYING THE SAME THING. IN HIS WAY, HE WAS TELLING A LIE. THERE WERE AT LEAST A HALF DOZEN TIMES BETWEEN THE IOWA CAUCUS IN JANUARY OF 2016 AND THE END OF JUNE WHEN HE WOULD ASK ME, HOW IS IT GOING IN RUSSIA, REFERRING TO THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT. YOU NEED TO KNOW MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS BEFORE I GAVE IT. SO TO BE CLEAR, MR. TRUMP KNEW OF AND DIRECTED THE TRUMP-MOSCOW NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN. HE ALSO LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE STOOD TO MAKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE MOSCOW REAL ESTATE PROJECT. AND SO I LIED ABOUT IT, TOO, BECAUSE MR. TRUMP MADE CLEAR TO ME, THROUGH HIS PERSONALITY STATEMENTS TO ME, THAT WE BOTH KNEW TO BE FALSE AND THROUGH HIS LIES TO THE COUNTRY, THAT HE WANTED ME TO LIE. AND HE MADE IT CLEAR TO ME BECAUSE HIS PERSONL ATTORNEYS REVIEWED MY STATEMENT BEFORE I GAVE IT TO CONGRESS. OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, I HAVE BEEN SMEARED AS A RAT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE TRUTH IS MUCH DIFFERENT. AND LET ME TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. MY NAME IS MICHAEL DEAN COHEN, AND I AM A BLESSED HUSBAND OF 24 YEARS AND A FATHER TO AN INCREDIBLE DAUGHTER AND SON. WHEN I MARRIED MY WIFE, I PROMISED HER THAT I WOULD LOVE HER, I WOULD CHERISH HER, AND I WOULD PROTECT HER. AS MY FATHER SAID COUNTLESS TIMES THROUGHOUT MY CHILDHOOD, YOU, MY WIFE, AND YOU, MY CHILDREN ARE THE AIR THAT I BREATHE, SO TO MY LAURA AND SAMMY AND JAKE, THERE IS NOTHING I WOULDN’T DO TO PROTECT YOU. I HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO LIVE A LIFE OF LOYALTY, FRIENDSHIP, GENEROSITY, AND COMPASSION. THESE ARE QUALITIES MY PARENTS INGRAINED IN US SINCE CHILDHOOD. MY FATHER SURVIVED THE HOLOCAUST THANKS TO THE COMPASSION AND SELFLESS ACTS OF OTHERS. HE WAS HELPED BY MANY WHO PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM’S WAY TO DO WHAT THEY DID WAS RIGHT AND THAT IS WHY MY FIRST INSTINCT HAS BEEN THAT ALWAYS HELP THOSE IN NEED AND MOM AND DAD I’M SORRY I LET YOU DOWN. AS THE MANY PEOPLE THAT KNOW OF ME BEST WOULD SAY, I AM THE PERSON THAT THEY CALL AT 3:00 A.M. IF THEY NEEDED HELP. AND I PROUDLY REMEMBER BEING THE EMERGENCY CONTACT FOR MANY OF MY CHILDRENS’ FRIENDS WHEN THEY WERE GROWING UP BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS KNEW THAT I WOULD DROP EVERYTHING AND CARE FOR THEM AS IF THEY WERE MY OWN, YET LAST FALL I PLED GUILTY IN FEDERAL COURT TO FELONIES FOR THE BENEFIT OF, AT THE DIRECTION OF, AND IN COORDINATION WITH INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE, AND FOR THE RECORD, INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE IS PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP. IT IS PAINFUL TO ADMIT I WAS MOTIVATED BY ADMISSION, AND IT IS PAINFUL TO ADMIT AT MANY TIMES I IGNORED MY CONSCIOUS AND WAS LOYAL TO A MANI SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN. SITTING HERE TODAY, IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE I WAS SO MESMERIZED I WAS WILLING TO DO THINGS FOR HIM, I KNEW WERE ABSOLUTELY WRONG. FOR THAT REASON, I HAVE COME HERE TO APOLOGIZE TO MY FAMILY, TO MY GOVERNMENT, AND TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. ACCORDINGLY, LET ME NOW TELL YOU ABOUT MR. TRUMP. I GOT TO KNOW HIM VERY WELL WORKING CLOSELY WITH HIM FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS AS EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT AND SPECIAL COUNSEL AND AS PERSONAL ATTORNEY WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT. WHEN I FIRST MET MR. TRUMP, HE WAS A SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR, A REAL ESTATE GIANT, AND AN ICON. BEING AROUND MR. TRUMP WAS INTOXICATING WHEN YOU WERE IN HIS PRESENCE. YOU FELT LIKE YOU WERE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING GREATER THAN YOURSELF, THAT YOU WERE SOMEHOW CHANGING THE WORLD. I WOUND OUT COUNTING THE TRUMP DECADE. THAT WAS MY JOB. ALWAYS STAY ON MESSAGE, ALWAYS DEFEND. IT MAN OPIZED MY LIFE. AT FIRST I WORKED ON REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENTS AND OTHER TRANSACTIONS. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, MR. TRUMP BROUGHT ME INTO HIS PERSONAL LIFE AND PRIVATE DEALINGS. OVER TIME, I SAW HIS TRUE CHARACTER REVEALED. MR. TRUMP IS AN INIGMA. HE’S COMPLICATED AS AM I HE’S BOTH GOOD AND BAD AS DO WE ALL, BUT THE BAD FAR OUTWEIGHS THE GOOD. HE’S BECOME THE WORST VERSION OF HIMSELF. HE’S CAPABLE OF BEHAVING KINDLY, BUT HE’S NOT KIND. HE’S CAPABLE OF COMMITTING ACTS OF GENEROSITY, BUT HE’S NOT GENEROUS. HE’S CAPABLE OF BEING LOYAL, BUT HE’S FUNDAMENTALLY DISLOYAL. DONALD TRUMP IS A MAN WHO RAN FOR OFFICE TO MAKE HIS BRAND GREAT, NOT OUR COUNTRY GREAT. HE HAD NO DESIRE TO LEAD THE NATION, ONLY TO MARKET HIMSELF, AND TO BUILD HIS WELT AND POWER. MR. TRUMP WOULD SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE THE GREATEST INFOMERCIAL IN POLITICAL HISTORY. HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE PRIMARY. HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. THE CAMPAIGN FOR HIM WAS ALWAYS A MARKETING OPPORTUNITY I KNEW EARLY ON HE WOULD DIRECT ME TO LIE, TO FURTHER HIS BUSINESS INTERESTS, AND I AM ASHAMED TO SAY THAT IT WAS FOR A REAL ESTATE MOGUL IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, I CONSIDERED IT TRIVIAL AS THE PRESIDENT, I CONSIDER IT SIGNIFICANT AND DANGEROUS. BUT IN THE MIX, LYING FOR MR. TRUMP WAS NORMALIZED AND NO ONE AROUND HIM QUESTIONED IT. NO ONE AROUND HIM TODAY QUESTIONS IT EITHER. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME WHETHER MR. TRUMP KNEW ABOUT THE HACKED DOCUMENTS THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE E-MAILS AHEAD OF TIME AND THE ANSWER IS QUESTION. I KNEW IN ADVANCE ABOUT THE WIKILEAKS DROP OF E-MAILS. IN JULY OF 2016, DAYS BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, I WAS IN MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE WHEN HIS SECRETARY ANNOUNCED ROGER STONE WAS ON THE PHONE. MR. STONE TOLD MR. TRUMP HE HAD JUST GOTTEN OFF THE PHONE WITH JULIAN ASSANGE AND MR. ASSANGE TOLD MR. STONE THAT WITHIN A COUPLE DAYS, THEIR WOULD BE A MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP RESPONDED BY STATING TO THE EFFECT, WOULDN’T THAT BE GREAT. MR. TRUMP IS A RACIST. THE COUNTRY HAS SEEN MR. TRUMP COURT WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND BIGOTS. YOU HAVE HEARD HIM CALL POORER COUNTRIES [ BLEEP ]S, HIS PRIVATE, IN PRIVATE, HE’S EVEN WORSE. HE WORSE ASKED ME IF I COULD NAME A COUNTRY RUN BY A BLACK PERSON THAT WASN’T A [ BLEEP ]. THIS WAS ONE BARACK OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AND WHILE WE WERE ONCE STRIVING THROUGH A STRUGGLING NEIGHBORHOOD IN CHICAGO, HE COMMENTED THAT ONLY BLACK PEOPLE COULD LIVE THAT WAY. AND HE TOLD ME THAT BLACK PEOPLE WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO STUPID. AND YET I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. I AM GIVING TO THE COMMITTEE TODAY THREE YEARS OFúL STATEMENTS FROM 2011, 2012, AND 2013. WHICH HE GAVE TO DEUTCHE BANK TO BUY THE BUFFALO BILLS AND THE FORES. THESE ARE EXHIBITS 1A, 1B, AND 1C TO MY TESTIMONY. IT WAS MY EXPERIENCE MR. TRUMP INFLATED HIS TOTAL ASSETS WHEN IT SERVED PURPOSES, SUCH AS TRYING TO BE LISTED AMONGST THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE IN FORBES AND DEFLATED AS ASSETS TO REDUCE HIS REAL ESTATE TAXES. I’M SHARING WITH YOU TWO NEWSPAPER ARTICLES SIDE-BY-SIDE THAT ARE EXAMPLES INFLATING AND DEFLATING HIS ASSETS TO SOUTH HIS FINANCIAL INTEREST. THESE ARE EXACT 2 TO MY TESTIMONY. AS I NOTED I’M GIVING THE COMMITTEE AN ARTICLE THAT HE WROTE ON AND SENT TO ME AN AUCTION OF A PORTRAIT OF MR. TRUMP. THIS IS EXHIBIT 3A TO MY TESTIMONY. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO PURCHASE A PORTRAIT OF HIM THAT WAS BEING AUCTIONED OFF AT AN ART HAMPTON’S EVENT TO ENSURE THIS PORTRAIT, WHICH WAS GOING TO BE AUCTIONED LAST, WOULD GO FOR THE HIGHEST PRICE OF ANY PORTRAIT THAT AFTERNOON. THE PORTRAIT WAS PURCHASED BY THE FAKE BIDDER FOR 60 THOUSAND DOLLARS$60,000. HE DIRECTED THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE CHARITABLE, TO REPAY THE FAKE BIDDER AND KEEP THE ART FOR HIMSELF AND PLEASE SEE EXHIBIT 3B TO MY TESTIMONY. AND IT SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE ONE OF MY MORE COMMON RESPONSIBILITIES WAS MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO CALL BUSINESS OWNERS, MANY OF WHOM ARE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WERE OWED MONEY FOR THEIR SERVICES AND TOLD THEM THAT NO PAYMENT OR REDUCED PAYMENT WOULD BE COMING. WHEN I TOLD MR. TRUMP OF MY SUCCESS, HE ACTUALLY REVELLED IN IT. AND YET I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. MR. TRUMP IS A CON MAN. HE ASKED ME TO PAY OFF AN ADULT FILM STAR WITH WHOM HE HAD AN AFFAIR AND TO LIE ABOUT IT TO HIS WIFE, WHICH I DID, AND LYING TO THE FIRST LADY IS ONE OF MY BIGGEST REGRETS BECAUSE SHE IS A KIND, GOOD PERSON AND I RESPECT HER GREATLY. AND SHE DID NOT DESERVE THAT AND I’M GIVING THE COMMITTEE TODAY, THE COPY OF THE $130,000 WIRE TRANSFER FROM ME, TO MS. CLIFFORD’S ATTORNEY DURING THE CLOSING DAYS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN THAT WAS DEMANDED BY MS. CLIFFORD TO MAINTAIN HER SILENCE ABOUT THE AFFAIR WITH MR. TRUMP AND THIS IS EXHIBIT 4 TO MY TESTIMONY. MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO USE MY OWN PERSONA FUNDS FROM THE HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO AVOID ANY MONEY BEING TRACED BACK TO HIM THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT HIS CAMPAIGN AND I DID THAT, TOO, WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CONSIDER WHETHER THAT WAS IMPROPER, MUCH LESS WHETHER IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO OR HOW IT WOULD IMPACT ME, MY FAMILY, OR IN PUBLIC, AND I’M GOING TO JAIL IN PART BECAUSE OF MY DECISION TO HELP MR. TRUMP HIDE THAT PAYMENT FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEFORE THEY VOTED A FEW DAY US LATER. AS EXHIBIT 5A TO MY TESTIMONY SHOWS, I AM PROVIDING A COPY OF A $35,000 CHECK THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP PERSONALLY SIGNED FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT ON AUGUST 1, 2017. WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, PURSUANT TO THE COVER UP, WHICH WAS THE BASIS OF MY GUILTY PLEA, TO REIMBURSE ME, THE WORD USED BY MR. TRUMP’S TV LAWYER FOR THE ILLEGAL HUSH MONEY I PAID ON HIS BEHALF, THIS $35,000 CHECK WAS 1 OF 11 CHECK INSTALLMENTS THAT WAS PAID THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT, OTHER CHECKS TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS WERE SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP, JR. AND ALLEN WEISELBURG. AND SEE THAT EXAMPLE AB. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THUS WROTE A PERSONAL CHECK FOR THE PAYMENT OF HUSH MONEY AS PART OF A CRIMINAL SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. AND YOU CAN SEE THE DETAILS OF THAT SCHEME DIRECTED BY MR. TRUMP IN THE PLEADINGS IN THE U.S. DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. SO PICTURE THIS SCENE. IN FEBRUARY OF 2017, ONE MONTH INTO HIS PRESIDENCY, I’M VISITING PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE OVAL OFFICE FOR THE FIRST TIME AND IT’S TRULY AWE-INSPIRING. HE’S SHOWING ME ALL AROUND AND POINTING TO DIFFERENT PAINTINGS AND HE SAYS TO ME SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, DON’T WORRY, MICHAEL, YOUR JANUARY AND FEBRUARY REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS ARE COMING. THEY WERE FedExED FROM NEW YORK AND IT TAKES A WHILE FOR THAT TO GET THROUGH THE WHITE HOUSE SYSTEM. AS HE PROMISED, I RECEIVED THE FIRST CHECK FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF $70,000 NOT LONG THERE AFTER. WHEN I SAY CONMAN, I’M TALKING ABOUT A MAN WHO DECLARES HIMSELF BRILLIANT. HIS COLLEGES AND THE SAME COLLEGE BOARD TO NEVER RELEASE HIS GRADES OR S.A.T. SCORES. IF THEY WERE EVER DISCLOSED, WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION, THESE ARE UNDER EXTENT 6. IRTONNY WASN’T LOST ON ME AT THE TIME THAT MR. TRUMP, IN 2011, HAD STRONGLY CRITICIZED PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR NOT RELEASING HIS GRADES. AS YOU CAN SEE IN EXHIBIT SEVEN, MR. TRUMP DECLARED, LET ME SHOW HIS RECORDS AFTER CALLING PRESIDENT OBAMA A TERRIBLE STUDENT. THE SAD FACT IS, THAT I NEVER HEARD MR. TRUMP SAY ANYTHING IN PRIVATE THAT LED ME TO BELIEVE HE LOVED OUR NATION OR WANTED TO MAKE IT BETTER. IN FACT, HE DID THE OPPOSITE. WHEN TELLING ME IN 2008 OR 2009, HE WAS CUTTING EMPLOYEES’ SALARIES IN HALF, INCLUDING MINE, HE SHOWED ME HE CLAIMED WHAT WAS A $10 MILLION IRS TAX REFUND AND HE SAID HE COULD NOT BELIEVE HOW STUPID THE GOVERNMENT WAS FOR GETTING SOMEONE LIKE HIM THAT MUCH MONEY BACK. DURING THE CAMPAIGN, MR. TRUMP SAID THAT HE DID NOT CONSIDER VIETNAM VETERANS AND PRISON OF WAR SENATOR JOHN McCAIN TO BE A HERO BECAUSE HE LIKES PEOPLE WHO WEREN’T CAPTURED. AT THE SAME TIME, MR. TRUMP TASKED ME TO HANDLE THE NEGATIVE PRESS SURROUNDING HIS MEDICAL DEFERMENT FROM THE VIETNAM DRAFT. MR. TRUMP CLAIMED IT WAS BECAUSE OF A BONE SPUR BECAUSE WHEN I ASKED FOR MEDICAL RECORDS HE GAVE ME NONE AND SAID THERE WAS NO SURGERY. HE TOLD ME NOT TO ANSWER THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BY REPORTERS, BUT RATHER OFFER SIMPLY THE FACT THAT HE RECEIVED A MEDICAL DEFERMENT. HE FINISHED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENT, DO YOU THINK I’M STUPID? I’M NOT GOING TO VIETNAM. AND I FIND IT IRONIC, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT YOU ARE IN VIETNAM RIGHT NOW. AND YET I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT WHETHER I KNOW OF DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT MR. TRUMP OR HIS CAMPAIGN COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA. I DO NOT. AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR. BUT I HAVE MY SUSPICIONS. SOME TIME IN THE SUMMER OF 2017, I READ ALL OVER THE MEDIA THAT THERE HAD. A MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER OF 2016, INVOLVING DON JUNIOR, AND OTHERS FROM THE CAMPAIGN WITH RUSSIANS. INCLUDING A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT AND AN E-MAIL SETTING UP WITH THE SUBJECT LINE “DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON”, AND SOMETHING CLICKED IF MY MIND. I REMEMBER BEING IN A ROOM WITH MR. TRUMP PROBABLY IN EARLY JUNE OF 2016, WHEN SOMETHING PECULIAR HAPPENED. DON TRUMP, JR. CAME INTO THE ROOM AND WALKED BEHIND HIS FATHER’S DESK WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF WAS UNUSUAL. PEOPLE DIDN’T JUST WALK BEHIND MR. TRUMP’S DESK TO TALK TO HIM AND I RECALL DON, JR. LEANING IN AND SPEAKING IN A LOW VOICE, WHICH I COULD CLEARLY HEAR AND SAYING, THE MEETING IS ALL SET AND I REMEMBER MR. TRUMP SAYING, OKAY, GOOD, LET ME KNOW. WHAT STRUCK ME AS I LOOKED BACK AND THOUGHT ABOUT THE EXCHANGE BETWEEN DON, JR. AND HIS FATHER WAS, FIRST, THAT MR. TRUMP HAD FREQUENTLY TOLD ME AND OTHERS THAT HIS SON DON, JR. HAD THE WORST JUDGMENT OF ANYONE IN THE WORLD AND ALSO THAT DON, JR. WOULD NEVER SET UP ANY MEETING OF SIGNIFICANCE ALONE, AND CERTAINLY NOT WITHOUT CHECKING WITH HIS FATHER. I ALSO KNEW THAT NOTHING WENT ON IN TRUMP WORLD, ESPECIALLY THE CAMPAIGN, WITHOUT MR. TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE AND APPROVAL. SO I CONCLUDED DON, JR. WAS REFERRING TO THE 2016 TRUMP TOWER MEETING ABOUT DIRT ON HILLARY WITH THE RUSSIAN REPRESENTATIVES WHEN HE WALKED BEHIND HIS DAD’S DESK THAT DAY, AND MR. TRUMP KNEW THAT WAS THE MEETING DON, JR. WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE SAID THAT’S GOOD, LET ME KNOW. OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO, I HAVE DONE SOME REAL SOUL SEARCHING, AND I SEE NOW THAT MY AMBITION AND THE INTOXICATION OF TRMP TRUMP POWER HAD MUCH TO DO WITH THE BAD DECISIONS I MADE. TO YOU, CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE, I’M SORRY FOR LYING TO OUR COUNTRY. I’M SORRY FOR LYING ABOUT THE TRUTH WHEN YOU NEEDED IT THE MOST. FOR THOSE WHO QUESTIONED MY MOTIVES FOR BEING HERE TODAY, I UNDERSTAND. I HAVE LIED, BUT I’M NOT A LIAR. I HAVE DONE BAD THINGS, BUT I’M NOT A BAD MAN. I HAVE FIXED THINGS, BUT I AM NO LONGER YOUR FIXER, MR. TRUMP. AND I AM GOING TO PRISON AND HAVE SHATTERED THE SAFETY AND SECURITY THAT I TRIED SO HARD TO PROVIDE FOR MY FAMILY. MY TESTIMONY CERTAINLY DOES NOT DIMINISH THE PAIN THAT I HAVE CAUSED MY FAMILY AND MY FRIENDS. NOTHING CAN DO THAT, AND I HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR, NOR WOULD I ACCEPT A PARDON FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP. AND BY COMING TODAY, I HAVE CAUSED MY FAMILY TO BE THE TARGET OF PERSONAL, SCOURULUS ATTACKS BY THE PRESIDENT AND HIS LAWYER TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ME FROM APPEARING BEFORE THIS PANEL. MR. TRUMP CALLED ME A RAT FOR CHOOSING TO TELL THE TRUTH NOT LIKE A LOBBER WOULD DO WHEN ONE OF HIS MEN WOULD COOPERATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT. AS EXHIBIT 8 SHOWS I’VE PROVIDED THE COMMIT WE TWEETS THAT MR. TRUMP POSTED ATTACKING ME AND MY FAMILY AND SOMEONE BURYING HIS HEAD IN THE SAND WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE.úIT’S ENCOURAGEMENT TO SOMEONE TO DO HARM TO ME AND MY FAMILY. I NEVER IMAGINED THAT HELD BUDGET IN VICIOUS, FALSE ATTACKS ON MY FAMILY AND UNLEASH HIS TV LAWYER TO DO THE SAME AND I HOPE THIS COMMIT COMPETENCE ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, WE SHOULD NOT WITNESS ATTACKS ON FAMILIES, ARE OUT OF BOUNDS AND NOT ACCEPTABLE. I WISH TO THANK SPEAKER PELOSI FOR HIS STATEMENTS IN EXHIBIT 9, TO PROTECT THIS CONSTITUTION AND ME, AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE, PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE, ADAM SCHIFF. AND YOU, CHAIRMAN COMINGS. LIKEWISE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND MY FAMILY AGAINST THE ATTACKS BY MR. TRUMP AND THE MANY REPUBLICANS WHO ADD NOT INNED THES, AS WELL. I’M NOT A PERFECT MAN. I AS WELL DONE THINGS I’M NOT PROUD OF AND I WILL LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY ACTIONS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. BUT TODAY, I GET THE DECIDE THE EXAMPLE I SET FOR MY CHILDREN AND HOW I ATTEMPT TO CHANGE HOW HISTORY WILL REMEMBER ME. I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE PAST, BUT I CAN DO RIGHT BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HERE TODAY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND I’M HAPPY TO ANSWER THE COMMITTEE’S QUESTIONS.>>THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, MR. COHEN, I NOW RECOGNIZE MYSELF. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING BEFORE I START, YOU HAVE ADMITTED LYING TO CONCERING, TO THIS VERY BODY, AND NOW YOU’RE GOING TO PRISON FOR IT. DO YOU, MR. COHEN, RECOGNIZE THE GRAVITY OF YOUR OFFENSES? YOU ARE A LAWYER, RIGHT?>>AS OF YESTERDAY, I AM NO LONGER A LAWYER. I HAVE LOST MY LAW LICENSE, AMONGST OTHER THINGS.>>YOU UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF THIS MOMENT?>>I MOST CERTAINLY DO, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>WE WILL NOT TOLERATE LYING TO CONGRESS BY ANYBODY. WE’RE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?>>I DO.>>THE STATEMENT HAS MADE NUMEROUS STATES TO BE INACCURATE. HE SAID HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS AND SAID HE NEVER OWED MONEY TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR THOSE PAYMENTS, YET IN YOUR TESTIMONY, MR. COHEN, YOU SAID YOU MET WITH THE PRESIDENT IN THE OVAL OFFICE IN FEBRUARY OF 2016, AND DISCUSSED PLANS TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR MONEY YOU PAID. YOU SAY HE TOLD YOU, AND I QUOTE, DON’T WORRY, MICHAEL, YOUR JANUARY AND FEBRUARY REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS ARE COMING? IS THAT ACCURATE? AND WAS THAT IN THE OVAL OFFICE?>>THE STATEMENT IS ACCURATE, BUT THE DISCUSSIONS OCCURRED LONG BEFORE HE BECAME PRESIDENT.>>WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT?>>BACK IN 2017 — I APOLOGIZE IN 2016. PRIOR TO THE ELECTION. I WAS CONTACTED BY KEITH DAVIS SON, WHO WAS THE ATTORNEY FOR STORMY DANIELS. AND AFTER SEVERAL ROUNDS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM ABOUT PURCHASING HER LIFE RIGHTS $130,000, WHAT I DID, EACH AND EVERY TIME, IS GO STRAIGHT INTO MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE AND DISCUSS THE ISSUE WITH HIM. WHEN IT WAS ULTIMATELY DETERMINED, AND THIS WAS DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION, MR. TRUMP WAS GOING TO PAY THE $130,000, IN THE OFFICE WITH ME WAS CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. HE ACKNOWLEDGED TO ALLEN THAT HE WAS GOING TO PAY THE $130,000, AND THAT ALLEN AND I SHOULD GO BACK TO HIS HOUSE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT. YOUR, I STAND BY THE STATEMENT THEY GAVE, THERE WAS A BIG HISTORY TO IT.>>YOU SAID YOU BROUGHT SOME CHECKS?>>YES, SIR.>>LET ME ASK YOU THIS — THIS FROM THE TRUMP TRUST THAT HOLDS THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESSES, YOU CAN TELL ME WHO SIGNED THIS CHECK?>>I BELIEVE THAT THE TOP SIGNATURE IS DONALD TRUMP, JR., AND THE THE CHECK IS AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP HELD HIS BIG PRESS CONFERENCE CLAIMING THAT HE GAVE UP CONTROL OF HIS BUSINESSES. HOW COULD THE PRESIDENT HAVE ARRANGED FOR YOU TO GET THIS CHECK IF HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY PLAYING NO ROLE IN HIS BUSINESS?>>BECAUSE THE PAYMENTS WERE DESIGNED TO BE PAID OVER THE COURSE OF 12 MONTHS, DECLARED TO BE A RETAINER FOR SERVICES THAT WILL BE PROVIDED FOR THE YEAR OF 2017.>>WAS THERE A RETAINER AGREEMENT?>>THERE WAS NO RETAINER AGREEMENT.>>WOULD THEY HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT?>>FOR SURE ABOUT THE ENTIRE DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS PRIOR TO THE ELECTION AND DON JUNIOR WOULD HAVE CURSORY INFORMATION.>>HERE IS ANOTHER ONE. THIS APPEARS TO BE SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP. HIMSELF L SELF. IS THAT HIS SIGNATURE?>>THAT IS DONALD TRUMP’S SIGNATURE.>>LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. DONALD TRUMP WROTE YOU A CHECK OUT OF HIS PERSONAL ACCOUNT WHILE HE WAS SERVING AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO REIMBURSE YOU TO FOR HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO MISS CLIFFORD. IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TODAY?>>YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>ONE FINAL QUESTION. THE PRESIDENT CLAIMED HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THESE PAYMENTS. HIS ETHICS FILINGS SAID HE OWED NOTHING TO YOU. BASED ON HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS PAYING FOR?>>THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND AND I TRULY BELIEVE THERE IS NO DOUBT IN THE MIND OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.>>AND THESE NEW DOCUMENTS APPEAR TO CORROBORATE WHAT YOU JUST TOLD US. WITH THAT, I’LL YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN –>>I WILL MAKE SURE YOU AND I WILL MEET ONE DAY IN THE COURTHOUSE AND WILL TAKE YOU FOR EVERY PENNY YOU STILL DON’T HAVE AND I WILL COME AFTER YOUR DAILY AND EVERYONE YOU PROBABLY KNOW. I’M WARNING YOU, TREAD LIGHTLY BECAUSE WHAT I’M GOING TO DO IS FING DISGUSTING. WHO SAID THAT?>>I DID.>>AND DID YOU SAY THAT, MR. COHEN, IN YOUR TESTIMONY ON PAGE TWO, YOU SAID YOU DID THINGS FOR MR. TRUMP IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT HIM. WAS THAT STATEMENT THAT I JUST READ THAT YOU ADMITTED TO SAYING — YOU DO THAT TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP?>>I DID IT TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP JR., IVANKA TRUMP AND ERIC TRUMP.>>AND IN YOUR SENTENCING STATEMENT BACK IN DECEMBER IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE, YOU SAID THIS, MR. COHEN, MY WEAKNESS CAN BE CHARACTERIZED AS A BLIND LOYALTY TO DONALD TRUMP, A BLIND LOYALTY THAT LED ME TO CHOOSE A PATH OF DARKNESS IS THAT ACCURATE, MR. COHEN?>>I WROTE THAT.>>YOU WROTE THAT AND SAID THAT IN FRONT OF A JUDGE.>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>LET ME READ A FEW OTHER THINGS AND LET ME ASK YOU WHY YOU DID SOME OF THESE THINGS. WHEN YOU FILED A FALSE TAX RETURN IN 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, AND 2016, WAS THAT ALL OUT OF BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT?>>NO, IT WAS NOT.>>WHEN YOU FAILED TO REPORT 4 MILLION IN INCOME TO THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, DID YOU DO THAT TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP?>>NO, I DID NOT.>>AND WHEN YOU FAILED TO PAY 1.4 MILLION IN TAXES, I GOT CONSTITUENTS WHO DON’T MAKE THAT IN A LIFE TIME. WHEN YOU FAILED TO REPORT 1.4 MILLION IN TAXES TO THE U.S. TREASURY, WAS THAT OUT OF SOME BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?>>IT WAS NOT BUT THE NUMBER WAS 1.38 AND CHANGE AND I HAVE PAID THAT MONEY BACK TO THE IRS AT THIS TIME.>>I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL APPRECIATE THAT 1.38.>>AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT WAS OVER A COURSE OF FIVE YEARS, APPROXIMATELY 260,000 A YEAR.>>THAT IS WHY I SAID 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016.>>YES.>>WHEN YOU MADE FALSE STATEMENTS TO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS CONCERNING A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT IN 2013, 2014 AND 2015 AND YOU PLED GUILTY TO MAKING THOSE FALSE STATEMENTS TO THE BANKS, WAS THAT ALL DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>NO, IT WAS NOT.>>HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? WHEN YOU CREATED THE FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNT WOMEN FOR COHEN AND PAID A FIRM TO POST TWEETS LIKE THIS ONE, IN A WORLD OF LIES, DECEPTION AND FRAUD, WE APPRECIATE THIS HONEST GUY @MICHAELCOHEN, #TGIF #HAND SOME, #SEXY. WAS THAT DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>I DIDN’T ACTUALLY SET THAT UP. IT WAS DONE BY A YOUNG LADY WHO WORKED FOR RED FIN CONSIDER FH. DURING THE COURSE OF THE CAMPAIGN WHICH YOU WOULD KNOW GETS SOME WHAT CRAZY AND WILD, WE WERE HAVING FUN. THAT IS WHAT IT WAS, SIR. WE WERE HAVING FUN.>>WAS IT DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>THAT WAS NOT DONE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT.>>WAS IT A FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNT?>>NO. IT WAS A REAL TWIT QUESTIONER ACCOUNT.>>DID YOU PAY A FIRM –>>I DIDN’T PAY THE FIRM. IT WAS DONE BY A YOUNG LADY WHO WORKS FOR THE FIRM. WE WERE HAVING FUN DURING A STRESSFUL TIME.>>THE POINT IS, MR. COHEN, DID YOU LIE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT OR LIE TO HELP YOURSELF IN.>>I’M NOT SURE HOW THAT HELPED ME, SIR.>>I’M NOT SURE HOW IT DID EITHER.>>RIGHT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT MORE THAN HALF OF THE PEOPLE ON THE SITE ARE MEN.>>HERE IS THE POINT. THE CHAIRMAN GAVE YOU A 30-MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT AND YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF LYING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND FRANKLY, DON’T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, TAKE WHAT THE COURT SAID. TAKE WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SAID. COHEN DID CRIMES THAT WERE MARKED BY A PATTERN OF DECEPTION AND THAT PERMEATED HIS PROFESSIONAL LIFE. THESE CRIMES WERE DISTINCT IN THEIR HARMS BUT BEAR A COMMON SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES. THEY EACH INVOLVE DECEPTION AND WERE EACH MOTIVATED BY PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION. A PATTERN OF DECEPTION FOR PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION AND YOU JUST GOT 30 MINUTES OF AN OPENING STATEMENT WHERE YOU TRASHED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP?>>APPROXIMATELY A DECADE.>>TEN YEARS?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>YOU SAID ALL OF THESE BAD THINGS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THERE IN THE LAST 30 MINUTES AND YET YOU WORKED FOR HIM FOR TEN YEARS? ALL OF THOSE BAD THINGS? I MEAN, IF IT IS THAT BAD, I SEE YOU WORKING FOR HIM FOR TEN DAYS, MAYBE TEN WEEKS, MAYBE EVEN TEN MONTHS. BUT YOU WORKED FOR HIM FOR TEN YEARS. MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE?>>I NEVER WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE.>>THAT IS THE POINT, ISN’T IT, MR. COHEN?>>NO, SIR.>>YES IT IS.>>NO, IT IS NOT.>>YOU WANTED TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. YOU DIDN’T GET BROUGHT TO THE DANCE.>>SIR, I WAS EXTREMELY PROUD TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I WAS OFFERED JOBS. I CAN TELL YOU A STORY OF MR. TRUMP RAEMING OUT REINCE PRIEBUS BECAUSE I DID NOT TAKE A JOB THAT HE WANTED ME TO TO WORK WITH GENERAL McGAHN. WHAT I SAID AT THE TIME, AND I BROUGHT A LAWYER IN WHO PRODUCED A MEMO AS TO WHY I SHOULD NOT GO IN BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND IN ORDER TO HANDLE SOME OF THE MATTERS THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN MY OPENING, THAT IT WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR ME NOT TO GO IN AND THAT EVERY PRESIDENT HAD A PERSONAL ATTORNEY.>>HERE IS WHAT I SEE. I SEE A GUY WHO WORKED FOR TEN YEARS AND TRASHED THE GUY HE WORKED FOR FOR TEN YEARS. DIDN’T GET A JOB IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOW, AND NOW YOU’RE BEHAVING JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO GOT FIRED OR DIDN’T GET THE JOB THEY WANTED LIKE ANDY McCABE, LIKE JAMES COMEY, SAME KIND OF SELFISH MOTIVATION AFTER OU DON’T GET THU WANT. THAT IS WHAT I SEE HERE TODAY AND WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE –>>MR. JORDAN, ALL I WANTED WAS WHAT I GOT. TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT. TO ENJOY THE SENIOR YEAR OF MY SON IN HIGH SCHOOL AND WAITING FOR MY DAUGHTER, WHO IS GRADUATING FROM COLLEGE TO COME BACK TO NEW YORK. I GOT EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED.>>EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED? YOU’RE GOING TO PRISON.>>I RECEIVED EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED.>>TIME HAS EXPIRED. MISS WASSERMAN SCHULTZ.>>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.>>MR. COHEN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. AS YOU LIKELY KNOW, I SERVED AS THE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE AT THE TIME OF THE RUSSIAN HACKS. WHEN RUSSIA WEAPONIZED THE MESSAGES IT HAD STOLEN. I WANT TO BE CLEAR, MY QUESTIONS ARE NOT ABOUT THE HARM DONE TO ANY INDIVIDUAL BY WIKI LEAKS AND THE RUSSIANS IT IS ABOUT THE POSSIBLE AND LIKELY HARM TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND OUR DEMOCRACY. I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS I HOPE WILL CONNECT MORE OF THESE DOTS. MR. COHEN, IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT MR. TRUMP HAD ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE OF THE RUSSIA WIKI LEAK RELEASE OF THE DNC’S E-MAILS?>>I CANNOT ANSWER THAT IN A YES OR NO. HE HAD ADVANCED NOTICE THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DUMP OF E-MAILS BUT AT NO TIME DID I HEAR THE SPECIFICS OF OF WHAT THEY WOULD BE.>>YOU DO TESTIFY THAT HE HAD ADVANCE KNOWLEDGE OF THE IMMINENT RELEASE.>>THAT IS WHAT I HAD STATED IN MY TESTIMONY.>>AND HE SHARED THE OUTCOME.>>YES, MA’AM.>>DID HE SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH HIS DAUGHTER, SON OR JARED KUSHNER?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT.>>WAS IVANKA, JARED OR DON JUNIOR INVOLVED IN THE RUSSIAN TOWER DEAL AT THE TIME?>>THE COMPANY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL WHICH MEANT THAT THE FAMILY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL.>>IF MR. TRUMP AND HIS DAUGHTER, IVANKA AND SON, DONALD JUNIOR WERE INVOLVED IN THE RUSSIAN/TRUMP TOWER DEAL, COULD THEY BE COMPLICATED WITH A FOREIGN ADVERSARY IN THE MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION?>>YES.>>BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE PRESIDENT AND KNOWLEDGE OF HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. STONE, DO YOU HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT EXPLICITLY OR IMPLICITLY AUTHORIZED CONTACT WITH WIKI LEAKS?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT.>>WAS MR. STONE A FORGET REPORTING BACK TO THE PRESIDENT WHAT HE HAD DONE OR WAS HE AN AGENT OF THE CAMPAIGN ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT WITH HIS APPARENT AUTHORITY?>>NO, HE WAS A FREE AGENT.>>A FREE AGENT THAT WAS REPORTING BACK TO THE PRESIDENT WHAT HE HAD DONE?>>CORRECT. HE FREQUENTLY REACHED OUT TO MR. TRUMP AND MR. TRUMP WAS VERY HAPPY TO TAKE HIS CALLS. IT WAS FREE SERVICE.>>ROGER STONE SAYS HE NEVER SPOKE WITH MR. TRUMP ABOUT WIKI LEAKS. HOW CAN WE CORROBORATE WHAT YOU’RE SAYING?>>.>>I DON’T KNOW BUT I SUSPECT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE AND OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU’RE SEEKING.>>MOVING ON TO A LITTLE LATER IN 2016, A MAJOR WIKI LEAKS DUMP HAPPENS HOURS AFTER THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE WAS RELEASED. DO YOU BELIEVE OR ARE YOU AWARE OF MR. TRUMP COORDINATING OR SIGNALLING FOR THIS E-MAIL DUMP?>>.>>I’M UNAWARE OF THAT. I WASN’T IN THE COUNTRY DURING THE TIME OF THE BILLY BUSH TAPE. I WAS IN LONDON VISITING MY DAUGHTER.>>KNOWING HOW MR. TRUMP OPERATES WITH HIS WINNING AT ALL COSTS MENTALITY, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT HE WOULD COOPERATE OR COLLUDE WITH A FOREIGN POWER TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY? IS HE CAPABLE OF THAT?>>.>>THAT CALLS ON SPECULATION.>>YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE.>>MR. TRUMP IS ALL ABOUT WINNING. HE WILL DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO WIN.>>IN YOUR OPINION AND EXPERIENCE, WOULD HE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO COOPERATE OR COLLUDE WITH FOREIGN POWER TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY AT ALL COSTS?>>.>>YES.>>BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW, WOULD MR. TRUMP OR DID HE LIE ABOUT COLLUDING AND COORDINATING WITH THE RUSSIANS AT ANY POINT DURING THE CAMPAIGN?>>AS I STATED IN MY TESTIMONY, I WOULDN’T USE THE WORD COLLUDING. WAS THERE SOMETHING ODD ABOUT THE BACK AND FORTH PRAISE WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN? TERMS OF COLLUSION. I WAS NOT PART OF THE CAMPAIGN. I DON’T KNOW THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT MR. TRUMP HAD WITH OTHER INDIVIDUALS. THERE IS JUST SO MANY DOTS THAT ALL SEEM TO LEAD TO THE SAME DIRECTION –>>FINALLY, BEFORE MY TIME EXPIRES, MR. COHEN, THE CAMPAIGN AND THE ENTIRE TRUMP ORGANIZATION APPEARED TO BE FILTHY WITH RUSSIAN CONTACT. THERE ARE RUSSIAN BUSINESS CONTACTS, THERE ARE CAMPAIGN RUSSIAN CONTACTS. THERE ARE LIES ABOUT ALL OF THE CONTACTS AND THEN WE HAVE ROGER STONE INFORMING THE PRESIDENT JUST BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION THAT THESE — THAT WIKI LEAKS WAS GOING TO DROP DOCUMENTS IN THE PUBLIC ARENA THAT WE KNEW AT THAT POINT WERE HACKED AND STOLEN BY RUSSIA FROM THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE.>>THE GENTLE LADY’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER HER INQUIRY.>>MY QUESTION IS –>>QUICKLY.>>GIVEN ALL OF THE CONNECTIONS, IS IT LIKELY THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS FULLY AWARE AND HAD EVERY INTENT OF WORKING WITH RUSSIA TO MAKE SURE THAT HE COULD WIN THE PRESIDENCY AT ALL COSTS?>>SO LET ME SAY THAT THIS IS A MATTER THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING HANDLED BY THE HOUSE SELECT AND SENATE SELECT INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES. I WOULD RATHER NOT ANSWER THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION OTHER THAN JUST TO TELL YOU THAT MR. TRUMP’S DESIRE TO WIN WOULD HAVE HIM WORK WITH ANYONE. ONE OTHER THING THAT I DID SAID IN MY STATEMENT IS WHEN IT CAME TO THE TRUMP TOWER, MOSCOW PROJECT WORTH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN THE ELECTION, SO THIS WAS JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL.>>THANK YOU, MR. COHEN.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. RANKING NUMBER JORDAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE, PROMISED MEMBERS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A FAIR AND OPEN PROCESS YET THE DEMOCRATS HAVE VASTLY LIMITED THE SCOPE OF THE HEARING. THEY HAVE ISSUED A GAG ORDER TO TRY TO TELL MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT TALK ABOUT. MY COLLEAGUES, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE CLAIM THEY WANT THE TRUTH, THEY WANT TRANSPARENCY AND FAIR OVER SIGHT YET THE DEMOCRATS WITNESSED TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS TODAY IS NOTHING THAN A SCORNED MAN THAT IS GOING TO PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. LET THAT SINK IN. HE IS GOING TO PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS AND HE IS THE STAR WITNESS TO CONGRESS. IF YOU READ THE SENTENCING REPORT ON MR. COHEN, WORDS LIKE DECEPTIVE AND GREEDY ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THAT REPORT. IT PAINTS A PICTURE OF A NARSISSIST, A BULLY THAT CAN’T TELL THE TRUTH WHETHER IT IS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OR HIS OWN PERSONAL LIFE BUT TODAY HE IS THE MAJORITY PARTY’S STAR WITNESS. IF THE DEMOCRATS WERE AFTER THE TRUTH, THEY WOULD HAVE AN HONEST PERSON HERE TESTIFYING AND IF THEY WERE REALLY AFTER THE TRUTH, THEY WOULD NOT RESTRICT THE QUESTIONING TO JUST A FEW TOPICS, BUT LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE RESTRICTED TOPICS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THE FIRST TOPIC IN YOUR LIMITED SCOPE THAT I CAN ASK MR. COHEN IS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S DEBTS. MR. CHAIRMAN, DIDN’T MR. COHEN PLEAD GUILTY TO LYING TO BANKS ABOUT HIS PERSONAL FINANCES? SO WE’RE ASKING A GUY GOING TO JAIL FOR LYING ABOUT HIS DEBTS TO COMMENT ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S DEBTS. HE IS THE EXPERT. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR NEXT COUPLE OF TOPICS SAY I CAN ASK MR. COHEN ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S COMPLIANCE WITH FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES AND CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS, BUT DIDN’T MR. COHEN, ON TWO OCCASIONS BREAK CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAW WITH HIS OWN DONATION? SO AGAIN, THE MAJORITY PARTY’S STAR WITNESS ON THE PRESIDENT’S COMPLIANCE IS A GUY WHO BROKE COMPLIANCE LAWS HIMSELF. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU GRACIOUSLY ALLOW US TO ASK QUESTIONS OF MR. COHEN ON THE PRESIDENT’S DEALINGS WITH THE IRS AND TAX LAW. YOUR STAR WITNESS HERE BROKE THE LAW WITH REGARDS TO THE IRS AT LEAST FIVE TIMES. HE PLED GUILTY ON CHEATING ON HIS TAXES, LYING TO THE IRS. HE IS THE BEST WITNESS YOU GOT? NEXT UP, WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE CHAIRMAN, I GET TO ASK MR. COHEN ON THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESS DEALINGS. LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. HE LIED TO MULTIPLE INSTITUTIONS TO GET LOANS TO PAY OFF OTHER LOANS JUST TO KEEP HIMSELF AFLOAT AND HE IS GOING TO BE THE EXPERT ON BUSINESS PRACTICES. OBVIOUSLY MR. CHAIRMAN, THE WITNESS MAY PRODUCE DOCUMENTS HE SUGGESTS INCRIMINATES THE PRESIDENT YET HE LIES TO BANKS, ALL OF THOSE LIES WERE DONE ON FRAUDULENT DOCUMENTS. DOCUMENTS THAT HE FORGED. NOTHING HE SAYS OR PRODUCES HAS ANY CREDIBILITY. APPARENTLY HE LIED ABOUT DELIVERING HIS OWN CHILD WHICH HIS WIFE HAD TO CORRECT THE RECORD. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, HOW ON EARTH IS THIS WITNESS CREDIBLE? WITH ALL OF THE LIES AND DECEPTION, THE SELF SERVING FRAUD, IT BEGS THE QUESTION WHAT IS MAJORITY PARTY DOING HERE? NO ONE CAN SEE THIS GUY AS CREDIBLE. HE WILL SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH HIS OWN PERSONAL GOALS. HE IS A FAKE WITNESS. HIS PRESENCE HERE IS A TRAVESTY. I HOPE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE THROUGH THIS. I KNOW THE PEOPLE BACK IN TENNESSEE WILL. WITH THAT STATEMENT, SIR, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESS. WITH YOUR LOSS OF YOUR LAW LICENSE, I THINK YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT THAT YOU HAD BEEN DISBARRED, WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE OF INCOME IN THE FUTURE?>>I DON’T EXPECT I’M GOING TO HAVE A SOURCE OF INCOME WHEN I’M IN THE FEDERAL PENITENTIARY.>>WHAT — IS THERE A BOOK DEAL COMING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?>>I HAVE NO BOOK DEAL RIGHT NOW. I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY MANY, INCLUDING FOR TELEVISION, THE MOVIE, IF YOU WANT TO TELL ME WHO WOULD LIKE TO PLAY YOU, I’M MORE THAN HAPPY TO WRITE THE NAME DOWN. I WOULD LIKE TO TURN AROUND TO CORRECT YOUR STATEMENT ON ME. NO –>>LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION, THOUGH. I HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME.>>NO INDIVIDUAL –>>ONE QUICK QUESTION. WHO PAID YOUR EXPENSES TO BE HERE TODAY?>>WHO PAID MY EXPENSES?>>TO BE HERE TODAY.>>I PAID MY EXPENSES.>>MR. CHAIRMN, I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD THE REMAINING AMOUNT OF TIME TO THE RANKING MEMBER.>>MR. COHEN, HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU TALK TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE?>>7.>>DID THEY TALK TO YOU AT ALL IN PREPARATION FOR TODAY’S HEARING BETWEEN THE 7 TIMES YOU TALKED TO HIM PRIOR TO YOUR SENTENCING? HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE BETWEEN ENTENCING AND TODAY.>>I DON’T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.>>YOU TALKED TO HIM 7 TIMES IN THE SENTENCING MEMORANDUMS THAT WERE IN FRONT OF THE COURT. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE SINCE THEN UP TO THE TIME –>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION.>>I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.>>MISS MALONEY.>>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. IN YOUR TEN YEARS WORKING FOR DONALD TRUMP, DID HE CONTROL EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, AND DID YOU HAVE TO GET HIS PERMISSION IN ADVANCE AND REPORT BACK AFTER EVERY MEETING OF ANY IMPORTANCE?>>YES.>>. THERE WAS NOTHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION FROM WHETHER IT WAS A RESPONSE AS THE DAILY STORY YOU REFERRED TO, RANKING MEMBER, THAT DID NOT GO THROUGH MR. TRUMP WITH HIS APPROVAL AND SIGN OFF AS IN THE CASE OF THE PAYMENTS.>>HOW MANY TIMES DID THE PRESIDENT, MICHAEL, ASK YOU OR DIRECT YOU TO TRY TO REACH SETTLEMENTS WITH WOMEN IN 2015 AND 2016?>>I’M SORRY, MA’AM, I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND TRY TO RECOLLECT. IT IS CERTAINLY THE TWO WE KNOW ABOUT.>>AND WHY DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT DID NOT PROVIDE THE ACCURATE INFORMATION IN HIS 2017 FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM? WHAT WAS HE TRYING TO HIDE? HE CORRECTED OTHER FORMS, BUT HE DIDN’T CORRECT THIS ONE.>>THE PAYMENTS ON THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE FUNDS THAT I EXTENDED ON HIS BEHALF.>>CAN YOU ELABORATE MORE?>>WELL, GOING BACK INTO THE STORY, AS I STATED WHEN ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND I LEFT THE OFFICE AND WENT TO HIS OFFICE TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON HOW THE MONEY WOULD BE WIRED FOR KEITH DAVIDSON IN CALIFORNIA, I HAD ASKED ALLEN TO USE HIS MONEY. DIDN’T WANT TO USE MINE, AND HE SAID HE COULDN’T AND WE THEN DECIDED HOW ELSE WE COULD DO IT AND HE ASKED ME WHETHER OR NOT I KNOW ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO HAVE A PARTY AT ONE OF HIS CLUBS THAT COULD PAY ME INSTEAD OR SOMEBODY WHO MAY HAVE WANTED TO BECOME A MEMBER OF ONE OF THE GOLF CLUBS AND I ALSO DON’T HAVE ANYBODY THAT WAS INTERESTED IN THAT. IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS DOWN TO THE WIRE. IT WAS EITHER SOMEBODY WIRE THE FUNDS AND PURCHASE THE LIFE RIGHTS TO THE STORY FROM MISS CLIFFORD OR IT WOULD BE SOLD TO TELEVISION AND THAT WOULD HAVE EMBARRASSED THE PRESIDENT AND IT WOULD HAVE INTERFERED WITH THE ELECTION.>>BUT THE PRESIDENT HAS NEVER AMENDED HIS 2017 FORM TO THIS DAY AND WHILE YOU’RE FACING THE CONSEQUENCES OF GOING TO JAIL, HE IS NOT.>>I BELIEVE THAT THEY AMENDED A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM AND THERE IS A FOOT NOTE SOMEWHERE BURIED. I DON’T RECALL SPECIFICALLY WHAT IT SAYS BUT THERE IS A FOOT NOTE BURIED SOMEWHERE.>>CAN WE DESCRIBE, MICHAEL, TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CATCH AND KILL?>>SO CATCH AND KILL IS A METHOD THAT EXISTS WHEN YOU’RE WORKING WITH A NEWS OUTLET, IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE IT WAS AME NATIONAL ENQUIRER, DAVID DYLAN HOWARD AND OTHERS WHERE THEY WOULD CONTACT ME OR SOMEONE AND STATE THERE IS A STORY PERCOLATING OUT THERE THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN. AND THEN WHAT YOU DO IS YOU CONTACT THAT INDIVIDUAL AND YOU PURCHASE THE RIGHTS TO THAT STORY FROM THEM.>>AND YOU PRACTICED THIS FOR THE PRESIDENT?>>I WAS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL OF THESE CATCH AND KILL EPISODES BUT THESE CATCH AND KILL SCENARIOS EXISTED BETWEEN DAVID AND MR. TRUMP LONG BEFORE I STARTED WORKING FOR HIM IN 2007.>>MICHAEL, CAN YOU SUGGEST WHO ELSE THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD TALK TO FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE?>>YES, I BELIEVE DAVID DYLAN HOWARD, BARRY LEVINE OF AMI AS WELL. ALLEN WEISSLEBERG. ALAN GARDEN WITH THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AS WELL.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A STORY OF REDEPOSITION.>>THANK YOU, MA’AM.>>MR. COMBER.>>YOU STARTED WORKING DEALING WITH REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS. IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>I SERVED AS A DIRECTOR OF TWO DIFFERENT BANKS. TO DETERMINE YOUR CREDIBILITY I WANT TO ASK YOU A COUPLE OF REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION QUESTIONS TO SEE HOW, IN FACT, YOU OPERATE. ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK PROSECUTORS, YOU LIED TO BANKS TO SECURE LOANS BY FALSELY STATING THE AMOUNT OF DEBT YOU ARE CARRYING. MR. COHEN, MY QUESTION TO YOU, WAS IT DONALD TRUMP’S FAULT THAT YOU KNOWINGLY COMMITTED A CRIME OF DECEPTION TO DEFRAUD A BANK?>>NO IT IS NOT.>>WAS THAT FRAUDULENT LOAN YOU OBTAINED FOR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION OR FOR YOU PERSONALLY?>>IT WOULD BE FOR ME, THOUGH I’M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHICH LOAN THAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE THING. I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND.>>THE LOAN THAT YOU –>>WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE YOU’RE REFERRING TO –>>WE’RE ALSO REFERRING.>>NO INDIVIDUAL –>>ALSO THE SUMMER HOME YOU PURCHASED.>>I’VE NEVER PURCHASED A SUMMER HOME. NO INDIVIDUAL AND NO BANK IN THE 22 YEARS THAT I’VE HAD LOANS HAVE EVER LOST A DOLLAR WITH ME. I OWE NO MONEY TO ANY BANK.>>THE BANKS USUALLY FIND OUT IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO DECEIVE THEM.>>IN 22 YEARS I HAVE NO MONEY THAT HAS EVER BEEN OWED TO ANY INDIVIDUAL OR ANY BANK.>>MR. COHEN DID YOUR SO CALLED BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT CAUSE YOU TO DEFRAUD THE BANK FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL GAIN?>>I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THAT. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A FRAUD — I NEVER DEFRAUDED ANY BANK.>>LET’S DIG DEEPER ON THE BANK FRAUD. ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE MORE THAN $20 MILLION IN LIABILITIES AS WELL AS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF MONTHLY EXPENSES. THAT IS ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. MR. COHEN, YOU BEING A LAWYER, SURELY YOU KNEW YOU WERE BREAKING THE LAW. WHY WOULD YOU HAVE DONE THAT?>>I’M NOT A CPA. I PLED GUILTY. I’M GOING TO PRISON AS A RESULT OF IT.>>BECAUSE YOU’RE A CON?>>NO, SIR.>>OKAY.>>BECAUSE I PLED GUILTY AND I’M GOING TO BE DOING THE TIME. I HAVE CAUSED TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS PAIN TO MY FAMILY AND I TAKE NO HAPPINESS IN –>>LET’S GO BACK TO THE BANK. WHEN THE BANK FOUND OUT ABOUT THE LIABILITIES THAT YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE, YOU LIED AGAIN TO THE BANK. THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, AND SAID IT HAD BEEN EXPUNGED WHEN IN FACT, YOU JUST SHIFTED THE DEBT TO ANOTHER BANK. SO APPARENTLY, ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED, YOUR INTENT TO DEFRAUD THE BANK WAS FOR THE DESIRE TO PURCHASE THE SUMMER HOME FOR 8 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS?>>NO, SIR. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OFF OF AN EQUITY LINE CONSIDERING I HAD LESS THAN A 50% LOAN TO VALUE ON THE ASSETS AND IT WAS A PRE-EXISTING LINE OF CREDIT THAT EXISTED YEARS BEFORE THE DATE THAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO WHERE THIS IS ALL SURROUNDING NEW YORK CITY TAXI MEDALLIONS.>>YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE LIABILITIES, ESPECIALLY $20 MILLION IN LIABILITIES, THAT IS, IN FACT, FRAUD.>>EXCEPT EVEN WITH THE 20 MILLION IN LIABILITY –>>HOW MUCH WAS IT?>>THE MEDALLIONS WERE WORTH OVER $45 MILLION.>>MR. COHEN, YOU CALLED DONALD TRUMP A CHEAT IN YOUR OPENING TESTIMONY. WHAT WOULD YOU CALL YOURSELF?>>A FOOL.>>YOU CALLING — OKAY. WELL, NO COMMENT ON THAT.>>I APPRECIATE THAT.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, WE SAID WE WERE IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. I DON’T BELIEVE THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS CAPABLE OF TELLING THE TRUTH AND I WOULD HOPE THAT AS THIS COMMITTEE MOVES FORWARD, THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBPOENA WITNESSES, WE SUBPOENA WITNESSES THAT ARE NOT RECENTLY DISBARRED, ARE NOT CONVICTED FELONS, AND WITNESSES THAT HAVEN’T COMMITTED BANK FRAUD AND TAX FRAUD. THAT IS HOW WE’RE GOING TO DETERMINE THE TRUTH.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD THE BALANCE OF MY TIME TO THE RANKING MEMBER.>>I WOULD MAKE ONE POINT. WE HAD A FIVE MINUTE DEBATE WHERE MR. COHEN DISPUTES WHAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK FOUND THAT HE WAS GUILTY OF COMMITTING BANK FRAUD. IF THIS STATEMENT BACK HERE DOESN’T SAY IT ALL. COHEN’S CONSCIOUSNESS OF WRONG DOING IS FLEETING. HIS REMORSE IS MINIMAL. HIS INSTINCT IS TO BLAME OTHERS IS STRONG. THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH THAT STATEMENT. HIS REMORSE IS NON-EXISTENT. HE JUST DEBATED A MEMBER OF CONGRESS SAYING I REALLY DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE FALSE BANK THINKS I’M GUILTY AND AM GOING TO PRISON FOR.>>THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID AND YOU KNOW THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID.>>WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD.>>I PLEAD GUILTY AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS.>>. THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>SHAME ON YOU, MR. JORDAN. THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID.>>MR. CHAIRMAN –>>THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. WHAT I SAID IS I TOOK RESPONSIBILITY AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. WHAT I WAS DOING IS EXPLAINING TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT HIS FACTS ARE INACCURATE. I STILL — I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY MISTAKS, ALL RIGHT? I AM REMORSEFUL, AND I AM GOING TO PRISON. I WILL BE AWAY FROM MY WIFE AND FAMILY FOR YEARS, SO BEFORE YOU TURN AROUND –>>I UNDERSTAND THAT.>>PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING YOU TODAY THAT KNOW ME A WHOLE LOT BETTER. I MADE MISTAKES. I OWN THEM AND I DIDN’T FIGHT WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. I DIDN’T PUT THE SYSTEM THROUGH AN ENTIRE SCENARIO, BUT WHAT I DID DO IS I PLED GUILTY AND I AM GOING TO BE, AGAIN, GOING TO PRISON.>>MR. NORTON?>>MR. COHEN, AT THE CENTER OF THE REASONS YOU’RE GOING TO PRISON, IS CONVICTION FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE OF VIOLATIONS AND THEY CENTER AROUND SOME REVELATIONS. THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTED OR AIRED AN ACCESS HOLLYWOOD VIDEO. IT SET A RECORD FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WATCHED, CRASHED THE NEWSPAPER’S SERVER, BUT THIS HAPPENED IN EARLY OCTOBER ON THE CUSP OF THE ELECTION. WHAT WAS MR. TRUMP’S REACTION TO THE VIDEO BECOMING PUBLIC AT THAT TIME AND WAS HE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THAT VIDEO ON THE ELECTION?>>THE ANSWER IS YES. AS I STATED BEFORE, I WAS IN LONDON AT THE TIME VISITING MY DAUGHTER, WHO WAS STUDYING THERE FOR WASHINGTON SEMESTER ABROAD. I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL DURING THE DINNER FROM HOPE HICKS STATING THAT SHE HAD JUST SPOKEN TO MR. TRUMP AND WE NEED YOU TO START MAKING PHONE CALLS TO THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT NEWS OUTLETS THAT YOU HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH AND WE NEED TO SPIN THIS. WHAT WAS HE WANT TO DO IS JUST TO CLAIM THAT THIS WAS MEN LOCKER ROOM TALK.>>WAS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE ELECTION IN PARTICULAR?>>THE ANSWER IS YES. THEN COUPLE THAT WITH KAREN McDOUGAL, WHICH THEN CAME OUT AROUND THE SAME TIME, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT THE STORMY DANIELS MATTER.>>AND THESE THINGS HAPPENED IN THE MONTH BEFORE THE ELECTION AND ALMOST ONE AFTER THE OTHER. THE STORMY DANIELS REVELATION WHERE PROSECUTORS AND OFFICIALS LEARNED OF THAT MATTER AND PROSECUTORS STATED THAT THE OFFICIALS AT THE MAGAZINE CONTACTED YOU ABOUT THE STORY, AND THE MAGAZINE, OF COURSE, IS THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER. IS THAT TRUE THAT THEY DID COME TO YOU? YES, THEY DID.>>WERE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEW STORY BECOMING PUBLIC RIGHT AFTER THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD STORY IN TERMS OF IMPACT ON THE ELECTION?>>I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MR. TRUMP WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT.>>THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. WHAT WAS THE PRESIDENT’S CONCERN ABOUT THESE MATTERS BECOMING PUBLIC? IN OCTOBER AS WE WERE ABOUT TO GO INTO AN ELECTION?>>I DON’T THINK ANYBODY WOULD DISPUTE THIS BELIEF THAT AFTER THE WILDFIRE THAT ENCOMPASSED THE BILLY BUSH TAPE THAT A SECOND FOLLOW UP TO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PLEASANT. HE WAS CONCERNED WITH THE EFFECT THAT IT HAD HAD ON THE CAMPAIGN ON HOW WOMEN WERE SEEING HIM AND ULTIMATELY WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD HAVE A SHOT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.>>AND SO YOU NEGOTIATED THE $130,000 PAYMENT?>>THE $130,000 NUMBER WAS NOT A NUMBER THAT WAS ACTUALLY NEGOTIATED. IT WAS TOLD TO ME BY KEITH DAVIDSON THAT THIS IS A NUMBER THAT MISS CLIFFORD WANTED.>>YOU COMPLETED THE DEAL ON OCTOBER THE 25TH, DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION. WHAT HAPPENED IN THE INTERIM?>>CONTEMPLATED WHETHER OR NOT TO DO IT. WASN’T SURE IF SHE WAS REALLY GOING TO GO PUBLIC. IT WAS, AGAIN, SOME COMMUNICATIONS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MYSELF AND KEITH DAVIDSON AND ULTIMATELY, IT CAME TO EITHER DO IT OR DON’T AT WHICH TIME AGAIN, I HAD GONE INTO MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE AS I DID AFTER EACH AND EVERY CONVERSATION AND HE TOLD ME HE HAD SPOKEN TO A COUPLE OF FRIENDS, AND IT IS 130,000, NOT A LOT OF MONEY, AND WE SHOULD JUST DO IT. GO AHEAD AND DO IT. I WAS AT THE TIME WITH ALAN WEISSLEBERG. HE DIRECTED US TO GO BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND FIGURE THIS ALL OUT.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>MR. MEADOWS.>>MR. COHEN, DO YOU KNOW LYNN PATTON. I’M RIGHT HERE. DO YOU KNOW LYNN PATTON?>>YES, I DO.>>I ASKED LYNN TO COME TODAY IN HER PERSONAL CAPACITY TO ACTUALLY SHED SOME LIGHT. HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN MISS PATTON?>>I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR LYNN PATTON JOINING THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND THE JOB THAT SHE CURRENTLY HOLDS.>>WELL, I’M GLAD YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT. YOU MADE SOME VERY DEMEANING COMMENTS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THAT MISS PATTON DOESN’T AGREE WITH. IN FACT, IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR CLAIM OF RACISM. SHE SAYS THAT AS A DAUGHTER OF A MAN BORN IN BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA, THAT THERE IS NO WAY THAT SHE WOULD WORK FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS RACIST. HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THE TWO OF THOSE?>>NEITHER SHOULD I, AS THE SON OF A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR.>>BUT, MR. COHEN, I GUESS WHAT I’M SAYING IS I’VE TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT OVER 300 TIMES. I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE TIME A RACIST COMMENT OUT OF HIS MOUTH IN PRIVATE, SO HOW DO YOU RECONCILE IT? DO YOU HAVE PROOF OF THE CONVERSATIONS?>>I WOULD ASK YOU TO –>>DO YOU HAVE TAPE RECORDINGS OF THE CONVERSATION SNAEZ.>>NO, SIR.>>YOU HAVE TAPED EVERYBODY ELSE.>>THAT IS ALSO NOT TRUE, SIR. THAT IS NOT TRUE.>>YOU HAVEN’T TAPED ANYBODY?>>I HAVE TAPED.>>HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TAPED INDIVIDUALS?>>100 TIMES OVER TEN YEARS.>>IS THAT A LOW ESTIMATE?>>I HAVE HEARD IT IS OVER 200 TIMES.>>IT IS ABOUT 100 FROM WHAT I RECALL. YOU’RE ASKING ME A QUESTION, SIR.>>DO YOU HAVE PROOF, YES OR NO –>>I DO.>>WHERE IS PROOF?>>ASK MISS PATTON HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE BLACK ARE EXECUTIVES AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION? THE ANSWER IS ZERO.>>WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS. I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE ENTIRE STATEMENT BE PUT INTO THE RECORD. DID YOU COLLECT $1.2 MILLION FROM NOVARTIS?>>I DID.>>FOR ACCESS TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION?>>NO, SIR.>>WHY DID YOU COLLECT IT?>>THEY CAME TO ME BASED UPON MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE ENIGMA DONALD TRUMP, WHAT HE THINKS. SIR, PLEASE, LET ME FINISH.>>NO.>>DID THEY PAY YOU TO GIVE THEM ADVICE?>>YES, THEY DID. A MULTIBILLION DOLLARS CONGLOMERATE CAME HERE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION, NOT SOMETHING UNUSUAL IN D.C., LOOKING FOR INFORMATION AND BELIEVED I HAD A VALUE.>>HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU MEET WITH THEM?>>THE VALUE WAS THE INSIGHT I WAS CAPABLE OF OFFERING THEM AND THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY –>>HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU MEET WITH THEM? FOR $1.2 MILLION, HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU MEET WITH THEM?>>I PROVIDED THEM WITHIN PERSON AND TELEPHONE ACCESS WHENEVER THEY NEEDED IT.>>HOW MANY TIMES, THAT IS A QUESTION, MR. COHEN?>>I DON’T RECALL, SIR.>>DID YOU EVER TALK TO THEM?>>I SPOKE TO THEM ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, YES.>>HOW MANY?>>SIX TIMES.>>SIX TIMES. WOW. $200,000 A CALL.>>SIR, I ALSO WOULD LIKE –>>HOLD ON. THIS IS MY FIVE MINUTES, NOT YOURS. DID YOU GET MONEY FROM BANK OF KAZAKHSTAN?>>IT IS NOT A BANK OF KAZAKHSTAN. IT IS CALLED BTA.>>BTA BANK. KAZAKHSTAN BTA BANK. DID YOU GET MONEY FROM THEM?>>I DID.>>FOR WHAT PURPOSE?>>THE PURPOSE WAS BECAUSE THE FORMER CEO OF THAT BANK HAD OBSCONDED WITH MONEY AND THEY SOUGHT MY ASSISTANCE IN TERMS OF FINDING, LOCATING THE MONEY AND HELPING THEM TO RECOLLECT IT.>>SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL OF THE REPORTS THAT YOU WERE PAID IN SOME ESTIMATES OVER $4 MILLION TO HAVE ACCESS AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, YOU’RE SAYING ALL OF THAT WAS JUST PAID TO YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE A NICE GUY?>>WELL, I AM A NICE GUY BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY –>>I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER. THE RECORD REFLECTS YOU’RE NOT A NICE GUY.>>FOR EACH AND EVERY CONTRACT CONTAINS THE CLAUSE THAT SAID I WILL NOT LOBBY AND I DON’T DO GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WORK. IN FACT, NOVARTIS SENT ME THEIR CONTRACT WHICH STATED SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY WANTED ME TO LOBBY, THAT THEY WANTED ME TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT. THAT INFORMATION, THAT PARAGRAPH WAS CROSSED OUT BY ME, INITIALS AND WRITTEN IN MY OWN HAND WRITING THAT SAID I WILL NOT LOBBY OR DO GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WORK.>>SO NOVARTIS REPRESENTATIVES SAY IT WAS LIKE THEY WERE HIRING A NONREGISTERED LOBBYIST SO YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT?>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY SAID, SIR, BUT THE CONTRACTS –>>HAVE YOU EVER CONTACTED ANYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION?>>YES.>>TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF ANY ASPECT OF ANY OF YOUR CONTRACTS? I ASK NONCONSENT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT –>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION.>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO, SIR.>>MR. CHAIRMAN — THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, PLEASE, YOU AGREED TO TESTIFY TODAY VOLUNTARILY. IN MY VIEW, WE’RE ALL HERE FOR JUST ONE REASON AND THAT IS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF BEING LIED TO. THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY THE PRESIDENT’S CHILDREN. THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY THE PRESIDENT’S LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES AND IT PAINS ME TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN EVEN LIED TO BY HIS CONGRESSIONAL ENABLERS WHO ARE STILL DEVOTED TO PERPETUATING AND PROTECTING THIS GIANT CON GAME ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. NOW, MR. COHEN, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS. SINCE BY LAW THESE MUST BE REPORTED ACCURATELY ON HIS FEDERAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES AND WHEN HE SUBMITS THEM FOR A BANK LOAN. MR. COHEN, YOU SERVED FOR NEARLY A DECADE AS THEN BUSINESSMAN TRUMP’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND SO CALLED FIXER. DID YOU — DID YOU ALSO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS AND HOW HE VALUED THOSE ITEMS?>>YES.>>IN NOVEMBER OF 2017, NEW YORK BUSINESS REPORTED THAT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION PROVIDED, QUOTE, FLAGRANTLY UNTRUE REVENUE FIGURES GOING BACK TO AT LEAST 2010 TO INFLUENCE CRANE’S RANKING OF THE LARGEST PRIVATE COMPANIES IN NEW YORK. ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, WHILE THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION REPORTED NEARLY 9.5 BILLION IN REVENUES IN 2016, PUBLIC FILINGS SUGGESTED REVENUES WERE ACTUALLY LESS THAN 1/10th OF THAT. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID THE PRESIDENT OR HIS COMPANY EVER INFLATE ASSETS OR REVENUES?>>YES.>>AND WAS THAT DONE WITH THE PRESIDENT’S KNOWLEDGE OR DIRECTION?>>EVERYTHING WAS DONE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND AT THE DIRECTION OF MR. TRUMP.>>TELL US WHY HE WOULD DO THAT AND WHAT PURPOSE DID IT SERVE?>>IT DEPENDS UPON THE SITUATION. THERE WERE TIMES THAT I WAS ASKED, AGAIN, WITH ALLEN WEISSLEBERG, THE CFO TO SPEAK WITH AN INDIVIDUAL FROM FORBES BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WANTED HIS NET WORTH RISE ON THE FORBES WEALTHIEST INDIVIDUALS LIST AND SO WHAT YOU DO IS YOU LOOK AT THE ASSETS AND YOU TRY TO FIND AN ASSET THAT HAS, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, 40 WALL STREET, WHICH IS 1.2 MILLION SQUARE FEET. FIND AN ASSET THAT IS COMPARABLE, FIND THE HIGHEST PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT THAT IS ACHIEVED IN THE AREA, AND APPLY IT TO THAT BUILDING. OR IF YOU’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’S SIGNIFICANT NET WORTH. THAT WAS ONE FUNCTION. THE OTHER WAS WHEN WE WERE DEALING, LATER ON WITH INSURANCE COMPANIES, WE WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH THESE COPIES SO THAT THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE PREMIUM, WHICH IS BASED SOMETIMES UPON THE INDIVIDUAL’S CAPABILITIES TO PAY, WOULD BE REDUCED.>>AND ALL OF THIS WAS DONE AT THE PRESIDENT’S DIRECTION AND WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE?>>YES. BECAUSE WHATEVER THE NUMBERS WOULD COME BACK TO BE, WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY REPORT IT BACK.>>AND DID THIS INFORMATION PROVIDED TO US INFLATE THE PRESIDENT’S ASSETS?>>I BELIEVE THESE NUMBERS ARE INFLATED.>>AND OF COURSE, INVITING — INFLATING TO WIN A NEWSPAPER POLL TO BOOST YOUR EGO IS NOT A CRIME BUT TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID THE PRESIDENT EVER PROVIDE INFLATED ASSETS TO A BANK IN ORDER TO HELP HIM OBTAIN A LOAN?>>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.>>THESE DOCUMENTS AND OTHERS WERE PROVIDED TO DEUTSCHE BANK ON ONE OCCASION WHERE I WAS WITH THEM IN OUR ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN MONEY SO THAT WE COULD PUT A BID ON THE BUFFALO BILLS.>>THANK YOU FOR IS YOUR ANSWERS.>>I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA.>>I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING. I WANT TO ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO PUT INTO THE RECORD AN ARTICLE FROM STAT WHICH INDICATES MR. COHEN’S PROMISE TO ACCESS NOT JUST TRUMP BUT ALSO THE CIRCLE AROUND HIM. IT WAS ALMOST AS IF WE WERE HIRING A LOBBYIST, CLOSED QUOTE. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT.>>WITHOUT OBJECTION.>>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WE PUT INTO THE RECORD A CRIMINAL REFERRAL FOR VIOLATING SECTION 22 USC OF THE STATUTE NUMBER 6, 611, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT MY LETTER REFERRING MR. COHEN FOR VIOLATING FOR ILLEGAL LOBBYING ACTIVITY BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.>>WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.>>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR THIS COMMITTEE IS FOR US TO LOOK IN A BIPARTISAN WAY AT CRIMINAL REFERRALS AT THE NEXT BUSINESS MEETING.>>THESE ARE NOT DOCUMENTS. THEY’RE OBJECTIONS. THEY’RE OBJECTIONS.>>SO WE’RE OBJECTING TO A UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST? IS THAT WHAT — MR. CHAIRMAN?>>YES.>>I WILL YIELD BACK.>>ALL RIGHT. LET ME BE CLEAR. I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU YOUR WHOLE FIVE MINUTES.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>MR. MEADOWS, THE CHAIRMAN MADE ME AWARE THAT I HAD GIVEN A LITTLE MORE TIME TO MISS WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. I WAS GOING TO LET YOU DO THAT ANYWAY, BUT I JUST WANT THE COMMITTEE TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY MEMBERS, I’LL BE STRICT ON THE FIVE MINUTES, ALL RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES>>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>YOU CLAIMED YOU LIED BUT YOU’RE NOT A LIAR. TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, IF YOU LIED, YOU ARE A LIAR BY DEFINITION. YOU ALSO SAID A MOMENT AGO THAT THE FACTS ARE INACCURATE. IF THEY’RE FACTS, THEY ARE ACCURATE AND THAT WOULD MAKE YOU INACCURATE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO KNOW WHO YOU CONSULTED WITH TO PREPARE FOR TODAY’S HEARING LENNY DAVIS AND WHO ELSE?>>I CONDUCTED WITH MY COUNCIL AND MICHAEL MONOCO.>>ALL RIGHT. DID YOU OR MICHAEL OR LENNY DAVIS OR ANYONE ELSE COOPERATE WITH THE DEMOCRAT MAJORITY TO PREPARE FOR THIS HEARING?>>I’M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE?>>DID YOU OR ANYONE ELSE ON YOUR TEAM COOPERATE WITH THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IN PREPARING FOR THIS HEARING?>>WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE PARTY.>>OKAY. DID YOU PREPARE WITH CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS OR ANYONE ON YOUR TEAM?>>I’M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY PREPARE?>>PREPARE FOR THIS HEARING.>>PREPARE? I PREPARED WITH MY COUNSEL.>>DID YOU PREPARE — DID THE DEMOCRAT MAJORITY OR CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS?>>WE SPOKE WITH CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS AND THE PARTY –>>WITH CHAIRMAN SCHIFF?>>AND HIS PEOPLE AS WELL.>>WERE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS ACTING AS A LIAISON FOR YOU WITH THE MAJORITY PARTY?>>I’M SORRY, SIR. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?>>DID YOU HAVE A LIAISON OTHER THAN THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED THAT WERE WORKING WITH THE MAJORITY TO PREPARE FOR THIS HEARING?>>WE SPOKE WITH THE VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU JUST RAISED, YES.>>.>>REGARDING HIM OR ANY OF HIS REPRESENTATIVES, ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH HIM? IS HE OR ANY OF THEM PAYING LENNY DAVIS TO REPRESENT YOU?>>NOT THAT I’M AWARE OF.>>WHO IS PAYING LENNY DAVIS?>>AT THE PRESENT MOMENT, NO ONE.>>SO HE IS DOING ALL OF THIS WORK FOR NOTHING?>>YES, SIR.>>OKAY.>>AND I HOPE SO.>>I KIND OF DOUBT IT BUT HOW DID LENNY DAVIS COME TO REPRESENT YOU? DID HE APPROACH YOU OR DID YOU APPROACH HIM?>>I REACHED OUT TO LENNY DAVIS AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF MY FORMER COUNSEL OVER AT McDERMOTT McDERMOTT.>>SO YOU REACHED OUT TO MR. DAVIS?>>I DID INITIALLY.>>OKAY, SO DID YOU WANT TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS OR DID HE URGE YOU TO TESTIFY HERE?>>I WAS ASKED TO COME HERE, AND I AM HERE, SIR, VOLUNTARY BECAUSE IT IS MY –>>YOU WERE ASKED BY WHO? DID HE ASK YOU TO COME HERE?>>NO, SIR.>>HE SAYS HE DID ASK YOU TO COME HERE AND HE CONVINCED YOU AND HE DID THE SAME WITH CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS AS WELL. SO YOUR TESTIMONY HERE IS THAT YOU APPROACHED LENNY DAVIS TO REPRESENT YOU AND TO COME HERE? HE DID NOT PERSUADE YOU TO COME HERE?>>HE DID NOT PERSUADE ME. ACTUALLY CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS, PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE ENGAGED IN WITH HIS PEOPLE AS WELL AS CHAIRMAN SCHIF AND OTHERS, WE SPOKE IN ORDER TO ASK ME TO COME HERE VOLUNTARY.>>CONNECTING THE DOTS HERE WITH MR. DAVIS AND YOU AND FRANKLY, THE CHAIRMAN, AND PERHAPS OTHERS TO BE RATHER STUNNING THAT THERE IS AN AGENDA FOR ALL OF THIS HAPPENING HERE TODAY. I BELIEVE, FRANKLY, THAT THAT IS TO BRING THE PRESIDENT DOWN TO IM PUN THE PRESIDENT. YOU MADE AN OATH LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE AND THAT OATH MEANT NOTHING TO YOU THEN. WE HAD AN OATH HERE IN THIS VERY ROOM ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND IT WAS, QUOTE, BE CLEAR, THAT I WILL SEEK THE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP ME GOD. END QUOTE. THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN OATH TO ME. THE CHAIRMAN MADE THAT STATEMENT IN THIS VERY ROOM LAST MONTH BUT HERE WE ARE TODAY, OUR FIRST BIG HEARING WITH, AS YOU, AND WE ALL KNOW, A CONVICTED LIAR, LYING TO CONGRESS, A CRIMINAL, AND I BELIEVE THIS WITNESS IS TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE STATED GOAL OF HAVING TO SEEK THE TRUTH IN THIS HEARING. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF CONGRESS WE HAVE SOMEONE TESTIFYING HERE WHO HAS ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED OF LYING TO CONGRESS. CONGRATULATIONS BEING THE FIRST IN CONGRESS TO DO THAT AND CUMMINGS AS WELL, I CAN’T BELIEVE WE HAVE BROUGHT THIS COMMITTEE TO ITS KNEES IN TERMS OF LOSING ITS CREDIBILITY. IT IS A SHAMEFUL MOCKERY OF WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS. I YIELD BACK.>>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. MR. LYNCH.>>LET ME JUST PICK UP ON THE LAST COMMENTS. WANT TO TALK ABOUT A LOW POINT? HOW ABOUT MR. PAPADOPOULOS PLED GUILTY, MR. MANAFORT, CONVICTED, PLED GUILTY TO TWO OTHER CHARGES. MR. GATES PLED GUILTY, MR. FLYNN PLED GUILTY, MR. PINEDO PLED, AND FOR TWO YEARS YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT AN AGENDA? MY FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE REFUSED TO BRING ANY OF THESE PEOPLE UP BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. SO TODAY, FOR THE FIRST DAY, WE HAVE ONE WITNESS WHO VOLUNTARY IS COMING FORWARD TO TESTIFY. YOUR SIDE RAN AWAY FROM THE TRUTH AND WE’RE TRY TAKING TO BRING IT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SO MR. COHEN.>>SIR.>>FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTARY COMING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TO TESTIFY. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR STATEMENTS INVOLVING TRUMP TOWER AND MOSCOW AND DRILL DOWN SOME OF THE FACTS AND DETAILS. YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF IT BUT THIS GOES BACK AWAYS. BACK IN 1987, MR. TRUMP WROTE THAT HE HAD ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH SOVIET OFFICIALS BACK THEN TO BUILD A LARGE LUXURY HOTEL ACROSS FROM THE KREMLIN. IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SOVIET UNION SO AT THAT TIME IT WAS THE SOVIET UNION. I WANT TO ASK YOU IN YOUR FILING WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL MUELLER’S OFFICE, THE PROSECUTORS WROTE, AND I QUOTE, MR. COHEN DISCUSSED THE STATUS AND PROGRESS OF THE MOSCOW PROJECT WITH INDIVIDUAL ONE ON MORE THAN THE THREE OCCASIONS MR. COHEN CLAIMED TO THE COMMITTEE. HE BRIEFED FAMILY MEMBERS OF INDIVIDUAL ONE WITH THE COMPANY ABOUT THE PROJECT. I KNOW THIS IS REDUNDANT. WHO WERE YOU REFERRING TO WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL ONE?>>DONALD J. TRUMP.>>AND THE COMPANY?>>THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION.>>OKAY.>>THROUGH A SUBSIDIARY.>>OKAY.>>AND WHO ARE THE FAMILY MEMBERS YOU BRIEFED ON THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT?>>DON TRUMP JUNIOR AND IVANKA TRUMP.>>OKAY. NOW WERE THESE IN THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS OR DID THE PRESIDENT OR FAMILY REQUEST THE BRIEFINGS?>>THIS IS THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS.>>DO YOU RECALL, A QUESTION ON THE NUMBER OF BRIEFINGS, DO YOU RECALL HOW MANY THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN?>>I’M SORRY, SIR.>>DO YOU RECALL HOW MANY BRIEFINGS THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN?>>APPROXIMATELY 10 IN TOTAL.>>OKAY. ALLRIGHT.>>AND IN YOUR WRITTEN REMARKS YOU WROTE, AND I QUOTE, THERE WERE A HALF DOZEN TIMES BETWEEN THE IOWA CAUCUS IN JANUARY OF 2016 AND THE END OF JUNE WHEN MR. TRUMP WOULD ASK ME HOW IS IT GOING IN RUSSIA, REFERRING TO THE RUSSIA/MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT. HOW DID THE PRESIDENT COMMUNICATE THOSE QUESTIONS TO YOU? WAS IT VERBALLY OR ON THE PHONE?>>VERBALLY MOST OF TIME, VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE TIME. HE WOULD SAY TO ME, MICHAEL, COME WALK WITH ME, HE WAS HEADED TO, SAY, A RALLY OR A TO CAR. AS I WOULD WALK HIM TO THE ELEVATOR, HE WOULD ASK ME QUESTIONS QUICKLY REGARDING A SERIES OF –>>COULD THERE BE ANY DOUBT WHAT HE IS REFERRING TO IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT IN RUSSIA?>>NO, THIS WOULD BE IT.>>OKAY.>>OTHERWISE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO REASON TO ASK IT OF ME.>>ALL RIGHT.>>YOU ALSO WROTE, AND I QUOTE, TO BE CLEAR, MR. TRUMP KNEW OF AND DIRECTED THE TRUMP/MOSCOW NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT, CLOSED QUOTE. HOW DID THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY DIRECT THE NEGOTIATIONS? WHAT DETAILS WOULD HE DIRECT?>>AFTER EACH COMMUNICATION THAT I HAD, I WOULD REPORT BACK TO HIM, AND OUR GOAL WAS TO GET THIS PROJECT. WE WERE INTERESTED IN BUILDING WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE LARGEST BUILDING IN ALL OF EUROPE. IF I CAN SAY ONE LAST THING IN REGARD TO THE GENTLEMAN’S STATEMENTS AND SINCE THIS IS ON TOPIC, THE LIES THAT I TOLD TO CONGRESS, IN FAIRNESS, BENEFITTED MR. TRUMP. IT WAS IN FURTHERANCE OF MY PROTECTION OF MR. TRUMP WHICH I STATED IN MY TESTIMONY. I AM NOT PROTECTING MR. TRUMP ANYMORE. WHILE I TRULY APPRECIATE TAKING SOME OF YOUR TIME ON TO IT, TO ATTACK ME EVERY SINGLE TIME ABOUT TAXES, I HAVE NO CREDIBILITY, IT IS FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON THAT I SPENT THE LAST WEEK SEARCHING BOXES IN ORDER TO FIND THE INFORMATION THAT I DID SO THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. I DON’T WANT YOU TO. I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS –>>MR. COHEN –>>I NEED MY LAST –>>SORRY, SIR.>>THAT’S OKAY. LET ME JUST SAY I DON’T THINK MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE AFRAID YOU’RE GOING TO LIE. I THINK THEY’RE AFRAID YOU’RE GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH.>>THANK YOU, SIR.>>I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>GENTLEMAN FROM OHIO IS RECOGNIZED.>>I APPRECIATE THE GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING. WHEN HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A FEDERAL AGENCY WHERE THIS HAS HAPPENED? JAMES COMEY DIRECTOR FIRED. ANDY McCABE, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FIRED. LIED THREE TIMES UNDER OATH, UNDER INVESTIGATION, RIGHT AS WE SPEAK. JIM BAKER, FBI COUNSEL DEMOTED AND CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. LISA PAGE DEMOTED AND LEFT. PETER STROEK DEMOTED AND FIRED. WE ASKED FOR ROD ROSENSTEIN. THREE PEOPLE HAVE TOLD US THAT HE WAS CONTEMPLATING USING THE 25th AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE GUY FROM PRESIDENCY WHO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PUT THERE. WE ASKED FOR HIM TO BE A WITNESS AND THE CHAIRMAN SAID NO AND INSTEAD WE GET 30 MINUTES FROM A GUY WHO IS GOING TO PRISON, GOING TO PRISON IN TWO MONTHS FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. MR. COHEN, I HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS BEFORE I YIELD BACK TO MY COLLEAGUE. MR. HISE ASKED YOU WHO YOU SPOKE TO. YOU SPOKE TO MR. SCHIFF. HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO CHAIRMAN NADLER OR HAVE ANY OF YOUR ATTORNEYS SPOKEN TO MR. NADLER?>>I DON’T KNOW ABOUT MY ATTORNEYS. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO CONGRESSMAN NADLER AND I’M NOT AWARE IF MY ATTORNEYS, I CAN ASK THEM –>>TURN AROUND AND ASK THEM.>>THE ANSWER, SIR, IS NO.>>OKAY. AND YOU SAID AT THIS PRESENT TIME, MR. DAVIS IS NOT GETTING PAID. ARE YOU ANTICIPATING HIM RECEIVING SOME KIND OF COMPENSATION IN THE FUTURE?>>WHEN I START TO EARN A LIVING –>>HE IS GOING TO WAIT THREE YEARS?>>.>>THAT IS A FIRST.>>I GUESS HE THINKS IT IS IMPORTANT.>>I’LL YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN OF ARIZONA.>>THANK YOU. MR. COHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU’RE A DISGRACED LAWYER. I MEAN, YOU’VE BEEN DISBARRED. AND SO I’M SURE YOU REMEMBER, WELL, MAYBE YOU DON’T REMEMBER LAWSUITY OF LOYALTY. ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE. THE GENTLEMAN OVER YOUR RIGHT SIDE UNDERSTANDS THAT VERY, VERY WELL AND WOULDN’T DO WHAT YOU’RE DOING HERE TODAY. HE WANTS YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THINK OF YOU AS A PHILINTHROPIC ICON. YOU’RE SOMEONE SOMEONE WOULD CALL AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING. NO, THEY WOULDN’T. NOT AT ALL. YOU SAW THEM DISSECT YOU. YOU’RE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. YOU DON’T KNOW TRUTH FROM FALSEHOOD.>>SIR, I’M SORRY. ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME OR THE PRESIDENT?>>THIS IS MY TIME.>>ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME OR THE PRESIDENT?>>WHEN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, I’LL ASK FOR AN ANSWER.>>SURE.>>NOW, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH RULE 35 OF THE FEDERAL RULES IN CRIMINAL PROCEDURES?>>I AM NOW.>>OH. YOU’VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. IS THAT TRUE?>>I AM IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK REGARDING ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS.>>AND PART OF THAT APPLICATION IS TO REDUCE SENTENCING TIME. IS IT NOT?>>YES.>>THERE IS A POSSIBILITY –>>YES. THE ANSWER IS YES.>>NO IT IS NOT, SIR.>>YES IT IS.>>IT IS NOT.>>TESTIMONY CAN HELP YOU GETTING YOUR SENTENCE LENSESENED.>>I’M NOT SURE HOW MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY IS PROVIDING SUBSTANTIAL INFORMATION THAT IS THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT CAN USE FOR THE CREATION OF A CASE. NOW, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THIS GROUP CAN DO FOR ME, I WOULD GLADLY WELCOME IT.>>WELL, I GOT TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, AMERICA IS WATCHING YOU, I’VE BEEN GETTING TEXTS RIGHT OR LEFT SAYING HOW CAN ANYBODY LISTEN TO THIS PATHOLOGICAL PERSON? HE HAS A PROBLEM. HE DOESN’T KNOW FACT FROM FICTION. THAT IS WHAT IS SAD HERE. YOU DIDN’T DO THIS FOR DONALD TRUMP, TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP. YOU DID IT FOR YOU. NO. THIS IS ALL ABOUT YOU. THIS IS ALL ABOUT THIS TWITTER FEED AND — LET ME RUN THOSE. WOMEN WHO LOVE AND SUPPORT MICHAEL COHEN, STRONG, PIT BULL, SEX SYMBOL. NO NONSENSE. BUSINESS ORIENTED AND READY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.>>1,000 FOLLOWERS.>>READY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AGAINST THE LAW. THAT IS PRETTY SAD. YOU KNOW? OVER AND OVER AGAIN WE WANTED TO HAVE TRUST. IT IS BUILT ON THE PREMISE THAT WE’RE TRUTHFUL AND COME FORWARD. THERE IS NO TRUTH WITH YOU WHATSOEVER. THAT IS WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU TO LOOK UP HERE AND LOOK AT THE OLD ADAGE OUR PARENTS TAUGHT US. LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE. NO ONE SHOULD LISTEN TO YOU AND GIVE YOU CREDIBILITY. IT IS SAD THAT WE HAVE COME, AND I WANT TO QUOTE THE CHAIRMAN’S VERY WORDS. THIS IS A REAL, HOLD ON. –>>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>SAD STATE.>>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>MR. COHEN, SEVERAL TIMES IN YOUR TESTIMONY YOU STATE THE BAD THINGS THAT YOU DID FOR MR. TRUMP AND AT SOME POINT YOU APPARENTLY CHANGED YOUR COURSE OF ACTION. THERE IS A REOCCURRING REFRAIN IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT SAYS AND YET, I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR HIM. BUT AT SOME POINT YOU CHANGED. WHAT WAS THE BREAKING POINT AT WHICH YOU DECIDED TO START TELLING THE TRUTH?>>THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS. HELSINKI, CHARLOTTESVILLE, WATCHING THE DAILY DESTRUCTION OF OUR CIVILITY TO ONE ANOTHER. PUTTING UP SILLY THINGS LIKE THIS.>>THAT IS SILLY.>>REALLY UNBECOMING OF CONGRESS. IT IS THAT SORT OF BEHAVIOR THAT I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR. I’M RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR SILLINESS BECAUSE I DID SAME THING THAT YOU’RE DOING NOW FOR TEN YEARS. I PROTECTED MR. TRUMP FOR TEN YEARS. THE FACT THAT YOU PULL UP A NEWS ARTICLE THAT HAS NO VALUE TO IT AND YOU WANT TO USE THAT AS THE PREMISE FOR DISCREDITING ME, THAT I’M NOT THE PERSON THAT PEOPLE CALLED AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING WOULD MAKE YOU INACCURATE, IN ACTUALLY IT WOULD MAKE YOU A LIAR WHICH PUTS YOU INTO THE SAME POSITION THAT I AM IN AND I CAN ONLY WARN PEOPLE THE MORE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW MR. TRUMP AS I DID BLINDLY ARE GOING TO SUFFER THE SAME CONSEQUENCES THAT I’M SUFFERING.>>WHAT WARNING WOULD YOU GIVE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE TEMPTED, AS YOU WERE? WOULD YOU ENCOURAGE THEM NOT TO WAIT TEN YEARS TO SEE THE LIGHT? WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE, IN PARTICULAR, YOUNG LAWYERS, SO THEY DON’T ABUSE THE BAR LICENSE AS YOU DID?>>LOOK AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME. I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WIFE, TWO AMAZING CHILDREN. I ACHIEVED FINANCIAL SUCCESS BY THE AGE OF 39. I DIDN’T GO TO WORK FOR MR. TRUMP BECAUSE I HAD TO. I WENT TO WORK WITH HIM BECAUSE I WANTED TO. I HAVE LOST IT ALL. SO IF I’M NOT A PICTURE PERFECT, THAT IS THE PICTURE THAT SHOULD BE UP THERE, IF I’M NOT A PICTURE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT NOT TO DO, THAT IS THE EXAMPLE THAT I’M TRYING TO SET FOR MY CHILDREN. YOU MAKE MISTAKES IN LIFE AND I HAVE OWNED THEM AND TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM. I’M PAYING A HUGE PRICE AS IS MY FAMILY SO IF THAT IN AND OF ITSELF ISN’T ENOUGH TO DISSUADE SOMEBODY FROM ACTING IN THE CALLOUS MANNER THAT I DID, I’M NOT SURE THAT THE PERSON HAS ANY CHANCE VERY MUCH LIKE I’M IN RIGHT NOW.>>A REOCCURRING THEME IN THE TESTIMONY IS CONCERN FOR YOUR FAMILY’S SAFETY. WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU MOST CONCERNED ABOUT?>>THE PRESIDENT, UNLIKE MY COHEN FOR TRUMP THAT HAS 1,000 FOLLOWERS, HE HAS OVER 60 MILLION PEOPLE. WHEN HE TURNED OVER EARLY IN THE CAMPAIGN AND SAID I CAN SHOT SOMEBODY ON FIFTH AVENUE AND GET AWAY WITH IT, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, HE IS NOT JOKING. HE IS TELLING YOU THE TRUTH. YOU DON’T KNOW HIM. I DO. I SAT NEXT TO THIS MAN FOR TEN YEARS AND I WATCHED HIS BACK. I’M THE ONE THAT STARTED THE CAMPAIGN AND I’M THE ONE WHO CONTINUED IN 2015 TO PROMOTE HIM. SO MANY THINGS I THOUGHT THAT HE COULD DO THAT ARE JUST GREAT AND HE CAN AND HE IS DOING THINGS THAT ARE GREAT, BUT THIS DESTRUCTION OF OUR CIVILITY TO ONE ANOTHER IS JUST, IT IS OUT OF CONTROL. WHEN HE GOES ON TWITTER AND STARTS BRINGING IN MY INLAWS, MY PARENTS, MY WIFE, WHAT DOES HE THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN? HE IS CAUSING — HE IS SENDING OUT THE SAME MESSAGE THAT HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS. THIS IS HIS COUNTRY. HOPE IF FULLY SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN TO MY CHILDREN OR MY WIFE SO I WON’T BE HERE TO TESTIFY. THAT IS WHAT HIS HOPE WAS, TO INTIMIDATE ME AND I THANKED EVERYBODY WHO JOINED AND SAID THIS IS NOT RIGHT.>>HAVE YOU EVER MR. TRUMP PERSONALLY THREATEN PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL HARM?>>NO. HE WOULD USE OTHERS.>>HE WOULD HIRE OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THAT?>>I’M NOT SO SURE HE HAD TO HIRE THEM. THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING THERE. EVERYBODY’S JOB AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION IS TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. EVERY DAY, MOST OF US KNEW WE WERE COMING IN AND WE WERE GOING TO BE LYING FOR HIM ON SOMETHING. THAT BECAME THE NORM AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN THIS COUNTRY AND IT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IN GOVERNMENT, SIR.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MY TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>MR. ARMSTRONG?>>THANK YOU.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE TAKE A BREAK?>>NOT RIGHT NOW.>>OKAY.>>ALL RIGHT.>>THAT IS OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR.>>.>>ALL RIGHT. YOU’VE BEEN WATCHING THE TESTIMONY OF MICHAEL COHEN TO THE HOUSE OVER SIGHT COMMITTEE. AN EXPLOSIVE START TO THE HEARING AND TO THE MORNING. MICHAEL COHEN SPEAKING FOR A LITTLE OVER 30 MINUTES DELIVERING A STATEMENT THAT WAS OUT EARLIER THIS MORNING, MIGHT HAVE COME OUT OVERNIGHT AND YOU COULD HEAR THE SORT OF TENSION BETWEEN DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS AS THEY BATTLED ABOUT PARLIAMENTARY PRESSURE BUT WHAT THE GIST OF THE DISCUSSION YOU’VE BEEN SEEING OVER THE LAST TWO HOURS OR SO, THE REPUBLICANS SEEKING TO PAINT MICHAEL COHEN AS A LIAR, WHICH HE HAS ADMITTED HE IS, AND THE DEMOCRATS SEEKING TO DIG A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THE TESTIMONY THAT MR. COHEN PROVIDED AT THE START OF THE HEARING WHERE HE CALLED PRESIDENT TRUMP A RACIST, A CON MAN, AND A CHEAT. THOSE ARE QUOTES FROM MICHAEL COHEN. YOU SAW DEMOCRATS ASKING QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING BETWEEN DON JUNIOR, YOU SAW QUESTIONS BEING ASKED OF MICHAEL COHEN BY DEMOCRATS OF THE WIKILEAKS HACKING OF THE DNC E-MAILS. IN FACT, DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ IS ON THIS COMMITTEE AND QUESTIONED MR. COHEN ABOUT THAT BEFORE MOVING ON TO OTHER SUBJECTS. JIM JORDAN, THE RANKING MEMBER FROM OHIO, REPUBLICAN, HAS BEEN VERY FORCEFUL CALLING MICHAEL TRUMP-MICHAEL COHEN RATHER A LIAR, A FRAUDSTER, A CHEAT. ONE MEMBER OF CONGRESS SAID TO MR. COHEN LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE IN REGARDS TO A RESPONSE THAT MR. COHEN WAS GIVING. SO ARE YOU WIRED UP? I THINK YOU ARE. RIKKI KLIEMAN IS JOINING ME TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THIS AS WE TAKE A QUICK BREAK HERE. WE’LL TALK ABOUT WHAT WE SAW OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST TWO HOURS. IT IS INTERESTING. WHEN WE STARTED THIS HEARING YOU SAID MICHAEL COHEN LOOKS A LITTLE FRIGHTENED. IT IS A FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE TO BE IN FRONT OF CONGRESS HAVING LIED TO CONGRESS PREVIOUSLY. IT SEEMS AS IF HE HAS NOT BEEN THROWN OFF HIS GAME, EVEN THOUGH HE HAS BEEN ATTACKED BY THE REPUBLICANS. WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON HOW HE IS DEALING WITH BEING CALLED A LIAR, WHICH HE ADMITTED HE IS?>>I THINK HE IS DEALING WITH IT SURPRISINGLY WELL. PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST 20 TO 30 MINUTES. HE PROBABLY WAS INSTRUCTED TO JUST TAKE IT. LET THEM HAVE THEIR SAY. . IT CHANGES FROM DEMOCRAT TO REPUBLICAN. HE WAS CALLED BY LOOKING AT THE LANGUAGE FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND IT WAS A DIRECT HIT AGAINST HIM FOR LYING ABOUT HIS BANK FRAUD AND NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY AND NOT HAVING REMORSE. IT WAS LIKE SOMEONE SHOT A LIGHTNING BOLT AT MICHAEL COHEN. WHICH IS I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE AND I’M GOING TO SAY MY PEACE. YOU DO COME INTO THIS AS A VIEWER AS A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WHETHER YOU’RE SITTING IN THIS STUDIO OR YOU’RE SITTING IN YOUR LIVING ROOM. . YOU’RE LOOKING FOR THE INFLECTION THAT CONFIRMS YOUR BIAS. IF YOU’RE LOOKING FOR THE INFLECTION THAT CON FIRSED A BIAS THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP, THEN I THINK YOU THINK MICHAEL COHEN DID A VERY GOOD JOB. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU COME FROM THE BIAS THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS A LIAR, NOTHING BETTER THAN A LIAR AND THAT AND THAT DONALD TRUMP DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG, YOU CAN FOLLOW THE REPUBLICANS.>>THERE IS A LOT TO DIGEST HERE. WE HAVE SOUND BITES THAT WE’LL THROW TO BUT I’M CURIOUS AS TO THE STRATEGY. A NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS HAVE ASKED IS LENNY DAVIS GOING TO BE PAID. WHY IS THAT A CONCERN AND WHY SHOULD BE IT RAISED? . IT HAS BEEN RAISED BY SEVERAL MEMBERS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.>>I THINK THE SUGGESTION THAT MR. DAVIS IS IN THE THRALL OF THE CLINTON’S, THAT HE IS SO FAR AN OPERATIVE FOR A POLITICAL AGENDA, I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE ENTIRE LINE OF QUESTIONS IS INTENDED TO SUGGEST. I THINK THAT IS WHERE THEY’RE GOING WITH THAT.>>WHEN YOU HEAR JIM JORDAN AND MEADOWS AND OTHER REPUBLICANS ON THE COMMITTEE BRINGING UP THE DETAILS THAT HE HAS PLEADED GUILTY TO, WHAT IS THE STRATEGY THERE? THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW HE IS A CONVICTED LIAR, HE IS GOING TO SPEND AT LEAST THREE YEARS IN JAIL IF IT DOESN’T GET REDUCED. WHAT IS THE STRATEGY IN REMINDING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OF THE THINGS HE WAS CONVICTED OF THAT HE IS NOW ABLE TO SAY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ME OR THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES IN ONE RESPONSE.>>THEY’RE ATTACKING HIS CREDIBILITY STOCK AND TRADE FOR SOMEBODY IN THE POSITION OF CROSS EXAMINING SOMEONE LIKE MR. COHEN WHO IS A VERY DIFFICULT WITNESS TO DEAL WITH.>>WHY IS THAT?>>HE HAS, IN FACT, HE HAS IN FACT, LIED AND HE HAS LIED IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CONTEXTS AND OVER THE COURSE OF MULTIPLE YEARS TO THE GOVERNMENT AND TO BANKS IN CONNECTION TO BANK FRAUD AND TAXES. IT IS A DIFFICULT WITNESS TO DEAL WITH. YOU START OUT BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL WITH A WITNESS LIKE THIS. THIS FORMAT, THE FIVE MINUTES BACK AND FORTH WHERE THERE IS NO CONTINUITY OF QUESTIONS MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO ESTABLISH A COUPLE OF THINGS. HE IS UNDER OATH. HE IS — HE HAS ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED OF THIS VERY CRIME THEY’RE ACCUSING HIM OF COMMITTING AGAIN TODAY IN FRONT OF US ALL. HE KNOWS WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO SAY DON’T TAKE MY — I THINK COHEN DIRECTLY SAID DON’T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS, RIGHT? AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR, THE WHOLE EMPHASIZE, THE WHOLE EFFORT FOR A WITNESS LIKE THIS IS CAN YOU CORROBORATE WHAT HE IS SAYING EITHER BECAUSE OF OTHER DOCUMENTS, BECAUSE OF THE BEHAVIOR OF OTHER PEOPLE OR BECAUSE OF THE INCENTIVES THAT THE PERSON IS THERE AND THEN FACING, RIGHT? MR. COHEN KNOWS IF HE LIES AGAIN, HE IS GOING TO MOST LIKELY BE REFERRED AND BE CONVICTED AGAIN.>>THAT IS ANOTHER STRATEGY THEY HAVE BEEN IMPLYING WHICH IS FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OR SAME BODY WHEN HE LIED TO THEM IN AN EFFORT TO TRIP THEM UP SAYING YOU’RE LYING AGAIN TODAY UNDER OATH.>>AND IN FACT ONE OF THE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE MADE OR ATTEMPTED TO MAKE A REFERRAL RIGHT THEN AND THERE. AND I DO THINK A LOT OF THIS IS TO THROW HIM OFF OF HIS GAME. YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE A WITNESS WHO IS REALLY THERE TO TELL TRUTH, YOUR LIFE IS REALLY MUCH EASIER. YOU KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS. THE PROBLEM BECOMES IF YOU’RE A WITNESS WHO IS DETERMINED TO LIE IN ORDER TO PROTECT YOURSELF, YOUR FAMILY, OR SOMEONE ELSE, THEN YOU DO HAVE PROBLEMS. IT SEEMS TO ME TODAY THAT MICHAEL COHEN, DESPITE MY THINKING HE MIGHT HAVE PROBLEMS, HE IS NOT HAVING PROBLEMS.>>LET’S PUT UP A SOUND BITE FROM MICHAEL COHEN’S TESTIMONY. NUMBER FOUR, MICHAEL COHEN TALKING ABOUT THE TRUMP MOSCOW NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN. IT IS AN INTERESTING BITE. IT GOES TO THE HEART OF THE ISSUE AS TO WHAT SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE DRYING TO DIG INTO.>>I LIED TO CONGRESS WHEN MR. TRUMP STOPPED NEGOTIATING THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT IN RUSSIA. I STATED THAT WE STOPPED NEGOTIATING IN JANUARY OF 2016. THAT WAS FALSE. OUR NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUED MONTHS LATER DURING THE CAMPAIGN. TO BE CLEAR, MR. TRUMP KNEW OF AND DIRECTED THE TRUMP MOSCOW NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT. HE LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN. HE ALSO LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE STOOD TO MAKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE MOSCOW REAL ESTATE PROJECT AND SO I LIED ABOUT IT, TOO.>>AND WHEN THE RANKING MEMBER JIM JORDAN OF OHIO BEGAN TO QUESTION MR. COHEN, JIM JORDAN SAYS YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF LYING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN SO THE QUESTION BECOMES WHO DO YOU BELIEVE? DO YOU BELIEVE THE GUY WHO SAYS HE LIED TO PROTECT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THIS IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY DID? OR DO YOU SAY HE IS NOT CREDIBLE, NOTHING COMING OUT OF HIS MOUTH IS CREDIBLE AND SO NOTHING TO SEE HERE?>>CORROBORATION, CORROBORATION, CORROBORATION. BOTH CARA AND I WATCHING THE TESTIMONY IN ANOTHER ROOM FROM SET, BUT WATCHING IT, GLUED TO IT, WE BOTH WERE TAKEN NOT SO MUCH WITH THE $35,000 CHECK THAT WAS WRITTEN ACCORDING TO MICHAEL COHEN, BY THE PRESIDENT TO HIM DURING HIS PRESIDENCY, BUT WE WERE BOTH ALSO TAKEN WITH THE CHECK THAT WAS WRITTEN AND SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG. THAT CHECK DOES LEND SOME CORROBORATION TO THE MICHAEL COHEN STORY OF THEY ALL HAD TO GO, THAT IS ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND COHEN HAD TO GO OUT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE MONEY TO STORMY DANIELS ATTORNEY REALLY FAST SO THAT HER STORY DIDN’T GO OUT INTO THE PUBLIC IN THE FALL OF 2016 AND WHO WAS GOING TO SEND THE MONEY OR WIRE THE MONEY AND THEN HOW WERE THEY GOING TO BE REPAID? WE WERE VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THAT CHECK. THAT WOULD BE HIGHLY CORROBORATIVE.>>THIS IS KIND OF IMPORTANT. THERE WAS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, A DEMOCRAT WHO SORT OF HONED IN ON THAT AS WELL AND SAID WELL WASN’T THE PRESIDENT SUPPOSED TO HAVE DEVESTED HIMSELF OF SOME BUSINESS DEALINGS AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? WAS THAT ALONG THE SAME LINES OF OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT?>>YES. AND I’LL GIVE IT TO YOU.>>ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT AROUND THE ISSUE OF WHAT MR. TRUMP DID AND DIDN’T WANT TO HAVE DISCLOSED, ALL RIGHT? SO THE IDEA THAT IT MIGHT HAVE HURT HIM IN FRONT OF THE ELECTORATE TO HAVE HAD IT REVEALED THAT HE WAS NEGOTIATING SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS BUILDING DEAL WITH RUSSIA, THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD — THAT MR. TRUMP WOULD WANT TO CONCEAL THAT IN ORDER TO PROTECT HIS ELECTION CHANCES TO AVOID ALL OF THE QUESTIONS, THAT LIE ON ITS FACE SEEMS TO HAVE A RATIONAL. IT SEEMS TO MAKE SOME SENSE. THAT IS SORT OF ONE EXAMPLE, I THINK OF WHERE THE INCENTIVES, THE CIRCUMSTANCES LIKELY LEND THE CORROBORATION TO MR. COHEN THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD LOOK FOR. AND THEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CHECKS, RIGHT? SO THE CHECKS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY SHOW THE FIRST ONE THAT MR. TRUMP APPARENTLY SIGNED FROM HIS OWN PERSONAL ACCOUNT SHOWS HIS PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT IN THE CONTINUATION OF THE SCHEME, RIGHT? AND THE SECOND CHECK THAT IS DRAWN OFF OF HIS FOUNDATION, THAT CHECK AT LEAST WHEN I SEE IT AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR, WHAT STRIKES ME ABOUT THAT CHECK IS THIS IS NOT PERSONAL MONEY THAT HE IS USING TO HUSH THE ADULT FILM ACTRESS. YOU REMEMBER HIM AS THE CANDIDATE WHO MADE A SIMILAR PAYMENT TO A WOMAN WHO HAD BORN ONE OF HIS CHILDREN AND THE DEFENSE THERE WAS I WAS EMBARRASSED IT WAS A PRIVATE MATTER. IT WASN’T FOR THE PURPOSE OF AFFECTING THE ELECTION AND IT WAS MY OWN PERSONAL MONEY. HAVING NOW A CHECK THAT IS PERSONALLY WRITTEN BY DONALD TRUMP AND ONE THAT USES HIS FOUNDATION TO ALSO FUND THESE PAYMENTS UNDER CUTS THE DEFENSE.>>THE OTHER THING STRUCK ME AS THE WEEKEND GETS READY TO RESUME, AND WE’LL TALK ABOUT THAT IS YOU KNOW, MICHAEL COHEN HAS DEALT WITH UNSAVORY CHARACTERS OVER THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER AND IT STRIKES ME THAT HE CAN GO TOE TO TOE WITH SOME OF THE MEMBERS. LET’S GO BACK TO THE HEARING. .>>FALSELY UNDER STATED THE AMOUNT OF DEBT HE WAS CARRYING AND OMITTED INFORMATION WITH PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS BASED ON INCOMPLETE INFORMATION. IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>YOU LIED ON FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS. SO YOU LIED TO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS IN ORDER TO SECURE LOANS SO WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT YOU LIE ON YOUR TAXES, YOU LIE TO BANKS AND CONVICTED TO LYING TO CONGRESS. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS NOT MUCH YOU WON’T LIE ABOUT WHEN YOU STAND TO GAIN FROM IT. THE PROSECUTORS FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK NOTED THAT EACH OF YOUR CRIMES, QUOTE, BEAR COMMON SENSE OF CHARACTERISTICS WITH EACH INVOLVING DECEPTION AND BEING MOTIVATED BY YOUR PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION. IS YOUR APPEARANCE HERE TODAY MOTIVATED BY YOUR DESIRE TO STAY IN THE SPOTLIGHT FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT?>>NO, MA’AM.>>YOU HAVE SOUGHT OUT WAYS TO REHABILITATIVE YOUR IMAGE FROM BANK SWINDLER AND TAX EVADER TO AN HONORABLE, TRUTHFUL MAN BY APPEARING BEFORE CABLE NEWS. I’M CONCERNED YOU COULD BE USING YOUR STORY AND THIS CONGRESSIONAL PLATFORM FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT SUCH AS A DESIRE TO MAKE MONEY FROM BOOK DEALS. CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH THAT YOU HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT PURSUE A BOOK OR MOVIE DEAL BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCES WORKING FOR THE PRESIDENT?>>NO.>>YOU CANNOT COMMIT TO MAKING MONEY OFF OF A BOOK OR MOST FBIE DEAL BASED ON YOUR WORK?>>NO. WHAT — THERE ARE TWO PARTS TO YOUR QUESTION. THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION YOU ASKED ME WHETHER OR NOT I HAD SPOKEN TO PEOPLE REGARDING A POSSIBLE BOOK DEAL AND I HAVE. AND I’VE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE WHO SOUGHT ME OUT REGARDING A MOVIE DEAL.>>I DIDN’T ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO ANYBODY. I SAID CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH THAT YOU WILL NOT — THAT YOU HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT PURSUE A BOOK DEAL.>>AND I WILL NOT DO THAT, NO.>>OKAY.>>CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH THAT YOU WILL NOT PURSUE OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE COMMENTARY FOR A MAJOR NEWS NETWORK BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCES WORKING FOR THE PRESIDENT?>>NO.>>CAN YOU COMMIT UNDER OATH THAT YOU WILL NOT PURSUE POLITICAL OFFICE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK?>>NO.>>SO YOU DON’T COMMIT TO CHANGING YOUR WAYS BASICALLY, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO USE YOUR BACKGROUND AS A LIAR, A CHEATER, A CONVICTED LIAR, TO MAKE MONEY. THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO?>>THAT WILL GET ME A BOOK DEAL AND A MOVIE DEAL AND TELEVISION AND A SPOT ON TELEVISION? I DON’T THINK SO.>>WELL, IT APPEARS THAT IT WILL. I YIELD MY REMAINDER OF MY TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO MR. JORDAN.>>I THANK YOU FOR YIELDING. MR. COHEN, IN YOUR SENTENCING STATEMENT TO THE COURT IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, YOU SAID I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES. YOU DESERVE TO KNOW THE TRUTH. A MONTH LATER, BUZZ FEED NEWS RAN A STORY THAT WAS THE STORY IN THE COUNTRY FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS. BUZZ FEED’S STORY RAN JANUARY 17TH, 2019. ON JANUARY 18TH YOUR COUNSEL WENT ON TV AND WOULDN’T CONFIRM OR DENY THE STORY. THE NEXT DAY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE DID SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED. NEVER HAPPENED. THEY SAID THE DESCRIPTION OF SPECIFIC STATEMENTS TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE AND CHARACTERIZATION OF DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONY OBTAINED BY THIS OFFICE REGARDING MICHAEL COHEN’S CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY ARE NOT ACCURATE. WHY DIDN’T YOUR LAWYER THE DAY THAT HE IS ON TV, WHEN THIS STORY IS THE BIGGEST THING IN THE NEWS, IN THE COUNTRY, WHY DIDN’T HE DENY THE BUZZ FEED STORY?>>BECAUSE I DIDN’T THINK IT WAS HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT. WE ARE NOT THE FACT CHECKERS FOR BUZZ FEED.>>HE IS ON TV TO TALK ABOUT THE VERY STORY. YOU COMMITTED TO THE COURT WHEN YOU WERE TRYING TO GET YOUR SENTENCE REDUCED THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW THE TRUTH. YOU HAD THE GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEM THE TRUTH ON A FALSE STORY, THE BUZZ FEED STORY, AND YOUR LAWYER DIDN’T SAY A THING. ACTUALLY HE SAID THIS, I CAN’T CONFIRM, I CAN’T DENY. YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU TOLD THE JUDGE YOU WERE GOING TO DO ONE MONTH AFTER YOU SAID IT, AND YOU DIDN’T DO IT. WHY NOT?>>AGAIN IT WASN’T OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE THE FACT CHECKER FOR THE NEWS AGENCY.>>THIS IS THE BIGGEST STORY IN COUNTRY.>>LET ME FINISH. THE PRESIDENT SAYS SO FAR, APPROXIMATELY 9,000 –>>I’LL LET YOU FINISH.>>THE SPECIAL COUNSEL –>>CAN I PLEASE FINISH?>>THEY SAID THAT STORY WAS FALSE. NOW YOU CAN RESPOND.>>OKAY. MY RESPONSE, THE PRESIDENT HAS TOLD SOMETHING OVER 9,000 LIES TO DATE. DO I ASK MR. DAVIS OR MR. MONOCO, DO I GO ON TELEVISION IN ORDER TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES? THE ANSWER IS NO.>>IF YOU’RE ON TV FOR THE SPECIFIC SUBJECT –>>LISTEN UP, THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY FINISH ANSWERING THE QUESTION AND THEN WE’RE GOING TO GO TO MR. CONLEY.>>ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS I FIND IT INTERESTING, SIR, THAT BETWEEN YOURSELF AND YOUR COLLEAGUES, THAT NOT ONE QUESTION SO FAR SINCE I’M HERE HAS BEEN ASKED ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP. THAT IS ACTUALLY WHY I THOUGHT I WAS COMING TODAY, NOT TO CONFESS THE MISTAKES THAT I’VE MADE. I’VE ALREADY DONE THAT AND I’LL DO IT AGAIN EVERY TIME YOU ASK ME ABOUT TAXES OR MISTAKES, YES, I MADE MY MISTAKES. I’LL SAY IT NOW AGAIN AND I’LL PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE, BUT I’M NOT HERE TODAY AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T CARE ABOUT MY TAXES. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT I KNOW ABOUT MR. TRUMP AND NOT ONE QUESTION SO FAR HAS BEEN ASKED ABOUT MR. TRUMP.>>.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WELL, MR. COHEN, BASED ON YOUR TESTIMONY AND YOUR TEN YEAR EXPERIENCE, I THINK YOU CAN RECOGNIZE THE BEHAVIOR YOU’RE BEING SUBJECTED TO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE. DISCREDIT, SLANDER, USE ANY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO PREVENT YOUR TESTIMONY FROM STICKING. THE IDEA THAT A WITNESS WOULD COME TO US WHO IS FLAWED AND YOU CERTAINLY ARE FLAWED, MEANS THEY CAN NEVER TELL THE TRUTH AND THERE IS NO VALIDITY TO A SINGLE WORD THEY SAY WOULD DISCREDIT EVERY CRIMINAL TRIAL IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE ALL OF THEM DEPEND ON SOMEONE WHO HAS TURNED. IT WOULD MAKE RICO NULL AND VOID. WE COULDN’T USE IT ANYMORE. THIS CONGRESS HISTORICALLY HAS RELIED ON ALL KINDS OF SHADY FIGURES WHO TURNED. ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS THAT LED TO THE DECAPITATION OF ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILIES. HE COMMITTED A LOT WORSE CRIMES THAN YOU’RE CONVICTED OF, MR. COHEN. SO DON’T BE FOOLED BY WHAT MY FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE TRYING TO DO TODAY. IT HAS DONE EVERYTHING BUT FOCUS ON THE PRINCIPLE KNOWN AS INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, AS I RECALL. IS THAT CORRECT, MR. COHEN?>>THAT IS CORRECT.>>I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN YOUR TESTIMONY AND HAS NOT BEEN MADE PUBLIC. IN OUR STAFF SEARCH PROVIDED BY THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE REDACTED OR ALREADY IN THE PUBLIC AND THE WHO US THOUGHT THAT WAS FUNNY. THEY MADE ONE MISTAKE. THERE WAS AN E-MAIL FROM A SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO A DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE COUNCIL AND THE E-MAIL IS DATED MAY 16TH, 2017, AND IT SAYS, AND I QUOTE, POTUS, MEANING THE PRESIDENT, REQUESTED A MEETING ON THURSDAY WITH MICHAEL COHEN AND JAY SECELO. ANY IDEA WHAT THIS MIGHT BE ABOUT? DO YOU RECALL BEING ASKED TO COME TO THE WHITE HOUSE ON OR AROUND THAT TIME? MAY OF 2017.>>OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SIR, I DON’T. I RECALL BEING IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH JAY SECELO IN REGARD TO THE DOCUMENTS PRODUCTION AS WELL AS MY APPEARANCE BEFORE THE HOUSE SELECT INTEL. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT IS SPECIFICALLY — BUT I WILL DO IS I WILL CHECK ALL OF MY RECORDS OOND I’LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION.>>YOU SORT OF TOUCHED ON THE PRESUMABLY, THE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION, AT LEAST AMONG OTHERS. THIS OCCURRED, THIS MEETING OCCURRED JUST BEFORE YOUR TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE HERE IN THE HOUSE. IS THAT CORRECT?>>I BELIEVE SO, YES.>>WAS THAT A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF?>>IF THIS IS THE SPECIFIC INSTANCE THAT I WAS THERE WITH MR. SECELO, YES.>>YOU HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ABOUT YOUR IMPENDING TESTIMONY BEFORE THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THE CONVERSATION?>>HE WANTED ME TO COOPERATE. HE ALSO WANTED TO JUST ENSURE BY MAKING STATEMENT, AND I SAID IT IN MY TESTIMONY, THERE IS NO RUSSIA, THERE IS NO COLLUSION. THERE IS NO DEAL. HE GOES, IT IS ALL A WITCH HUNT AND HE GOES, THIS STUFF HAS TO END.>>DID YOU TAKE THOSE COMMENTS TO BE SUGGESTIVE OF WHAT MIGHT FLAVOR YOUR TESTIMONY?>>SIR, HE HAS BEEN SAYING THAT TO ME FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED ME TO SAY.>>WHY WAS MR. SECELO IN THE MEETING? BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO BE REPRESENTING MR. TRUMP GOING FORWARD AS ONE OF HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEYS IN THIS MATTER.>>SO IT WAS SORT OF A HAND OFF MEETING.>>CORRECT.>>IN ANY WAY, FINAL QUESTION, DID THE PRESIDENT IN ANY WAY FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, COACH YOU IN TERMS OF HOW TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS OR CONTENT OF YOUR TESTIMONY BEFORE HOUSE COMMITTEE?>>AGAIN, IT IS DIFFICULT TO ANSWER BECAUSE HE DOESN’T TELL YOU WHAT HE WANTS. WHAT HE DOES IS AGAIN, MICHAEL, THERE IS NO RUSSIA THERE, IS NO COLLUSION, THERE IS NO INVOLVEMENT. NO INTERFERENCE. I KNOW WHAT HE MEANS BECAUSE I’VE BEEN AROUND HIM SO LONG. IF YOU’RE ASKING ME THAT IS THE MESSAGE THAT IS STAYING ON POINT, THAT IS THE PARTY LINE HE CREATED THAT SO MANY OTHERS ARE TOUTING, YES, THAT IS THE MESSAGE THAT HE WANTED TO REENFORCE.>>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. MR. MASSY?>>CAN YOU CLARIFY, YOU SAID AT TIMES YOU DID WHAT YOU THOUGHT MR. TRUMP WANTED YOU TO DO, NOT SPECIFICALLY WHAT HE TOLD YOU TO DO?>>AT TIMES, YES.>>YOU WENT ON YOUR INTUITION?>>I DON’T KNOW IF I WOULD CALL IT INTUITION AS I WOULD SAY MY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HE WANTED BECAUSE IT HAPPENED BEFORE AND I KNEW WHAT HE HAD WANTED.>>DOES A LAWYER HAVE THE DUTY TO PROVIDE HIS CLIENT WITH GOOD LEGAL ADVICE?>>YES.>>WERE YOU A GOOD LAWYER TO MR. TRUMP?>>I BELIEVE SO.>>WHEN YOU ARRANGED A PAYMENT TO MISS CLIFFORD, YOU SAID YOU DID SO, QUOTE, WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CONSIDER WHETHER THAT WAS IMPROPER, MUCH LESS WHETHER IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. YOU SAID THAT. THAT IS YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY. YOU SAID YOU DIDN’T EVEN CONSIDER WHETHER IT WAS LEGAL. HOW COULD YOU GIVE YOUR CLIENT LEGAL ADVICE WHEN YOU’RE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING WHETHER IT IS LEGAL?>>I DID WHAT I KNEW MR. TRUMP WANTED. THIS CONVERSATION WITH MR. TRUMP STARTED –>>I DIDN’T ASK WHETHER YOU’RE A GOOD FIXER. I ASKED WHETHER YOU’RE A GOOD LAWYER.>>SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MELT BOTH TOGETHER. I NEEDED TO, AT THAT TIME, ENSURE AND PROTECT MR. TRUMP AND IF I PUT MY — WHICH I’M CLEARLY, CLEARLY SUFFERING THE PENALTY OF, I CLEARLY — AM ON THE SIDE OF WRONG.>>YOU FEEL LIKE, WITHOUT BOTHERING TO CONSIDER CONNECTIONS WITH STUDENTS IT WAS PROPER, MUCH LESS IF IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BY IGNORING ANY CONSCIOUS IF YOU HAVE ONE, THAT YOU WERE PROTECTING MR. TRUMP.>>I’M SORRY, SIR, I DON’T UNDERSTAND.>>YOU FEEL THAT WAS HOW TO PROTECT, AS HIS LAWYER, YOU FEEL THAT YOU DID A GOOD JOB. YOU SAID YOU WERE A GOOD LAWYER, RIGHT?>>THAT IS CORRECT.>>IS THAT BEING A GOOD LAWYER? TO NOT EVEN CONSIDER WHETHER IT IS LEGAL OR NOT? I DIDN’T WORK FOR THE CAMPAIGN. I WAS WORKING AND I WAS TRYING TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP.>>I DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN.>>I SAT WITH MR. TRUMP AND THIS GOES BACK TO 2011. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST SCENARIO WITH MISS DANIELS.>>LET’S GO BACK THEN. MY POINT IS THIS IS — THIS IS AN ONGOING SITUATION. IT DIDN’T JUST START. YOU HAVE TO LET ME FINISH. IT STARTED — IT DIDN’T STOP IN OCTOBER. IT STARTED MANY YEARS EARLIER.>>WHEN YOU WERE DISBARRED?>>YESTERDAY FROM WHAT I READ IN MY PAPER.>>WHEN SHOULD YOU HAVE BEEN DISBARRED BASED ON THE LEGAL COUNSEL YOU WERE GIVING YOUR CLIENT?>>I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOUR CLIENT.>>HOW LONG WERE YOU COUNSEL FOR MR. TRUMP?>>SINCE 2007.>>WHEN IS THE FIRST TIME YOU GAVE HIM BAD LEGAL ADVICE OR FAILED TO INFORM HIM OF HIS LEGAL OBLIGATIONS AS YOU TESTIFIED TODAY YOU DID IN THE CASE OF THE PAYMENT TO MISS CLIFFORD? WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME YOU DID THAT? WOULD THAT QUALIFY FOR DISBARMENT?>>I DON’T KNOW, SIR, I’M NOT THE BAR ASSOCIATION.>>I THINK YOU SHOULD CONSULT WITH THEM MAYBE OCCASIONALLY ON SOME OF THINGS.>>NO POINT. I LOST MY LAW LICENSE.>>HAS ANYBODY ELSE PROMISED TO PAY MR. DAVIS FOR REPRESENTING YOU?>>NO.>>NOBODY HAS?>>NO. ARE YOU OFFERING?>>QUESTION, QUICKLY, YOU SAID, AND THIS IS ALSO IN YOUR TESTIMONY IN THE DAYS BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, YOU BECAME PRIVY TO A CONVERSATION THAT SOME OF HILLARY CLINTON’S E-MAILS WOULD BE LEAKED. IS THAT CORRECT?>>CORRECT.>>OKAY. WAS THAT IN LATE JULY? DO YOU KNOW THE EXACT DAY?>>I BELIEVE IT WAS EITHER THE 18th OR THE 19th AND I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE ON THE 19th.>>IT WAS DEFINITELY JULY.>>I BELIEVE SO, YES.>>DO YOU KNOW IT WAS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE IN JUNE? MR. ASSANGE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD.>>WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED.>>MR. ASSANGE REPORTED TO THE MEDIA ON THE 12th THAT THEY WOULD BE LEAKED. I’M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE FAKE NEWS. I’M SAYING YOU HAVE OLD NEWS AND THERE IS NOT MUCH TO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME TO MR. HIGGINS.>>THANK YOU, SIR. MR. COHEN, I’M QUOTING YOU EARLIER, YOU SAID I SPENT LAST WEEK LOOKING THROUGH BOXES TO FIND DOCUMENTS TO SUPPORT THE ACCUSATIONS. WHERE ARE THE BOXES? ARE THEY IN YOUR GARAGE?>>IN STORAGE.>>AND ARE THESE NOT BOXES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER TO INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITIES DURING THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS YOU’VE BEEN SUBJECT TO?>>THESE ARE THE BOXES THAT WERE RETURNED TO ME AFTER THE RAID.>>IF THEY INCLUDE DATA PERTINENT TO CRIMES SHOULD THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TURNED OVER OR REMANDED TO INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY? DID MANNY DAVIS KNOW OF THE BOXES?>>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED.>>I DON’T UNDERSTAND HIS QUESTION.>>VERY WELL. .>>MR. COHEN, GOOD MORNING, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS FOR CONVENING THIS HEARING AND THANK YOU, MR. COHEN FOR VOLUNTARY TESTIFYING THIS MORNING. YOU WERE SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION.>>TO DONALD J. TRUMP.>>AND SPECIAL COUNSEL MEANS YOU WERE THE ATTORNEY FOR HIM, IS THAT RIGHT?>>I WITH AWARD WINNING THERE IN ORDER TO HANDLE MATTERS THAT HE FELT WERE SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT TO HIM INDIVIDUALLY.>>AND THOSE INCLUDED LEGAL MATTERS?>>YES, SIR.>>AS A FORMER ATTORNEY, YOU’RE FAMILIAR WITH LEGAL DOCUMENTS KNOWN AS NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS OR NDAs, IS THAT RIGHT?>>YES.>>SIR, I’M SURE YOU KNOW THAT NDAs PROPERLY WRITTEN IN SCOPE CAN BE REASONABLE BUT ALSO ABUSED TO CREATE A CHILLING EFFECT TO SILENCE PEOPLE AS WE’VE SEEN IN THE ME TOO MOVEMENT AND OTHER PLACES, ISN’T THAT RIGHT, MR. COHEN?>>YES.>>THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION USED NDAs EXTENSIVELY, ISN’T THAT RIGHT? .>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>MR. COHEN, I’M READING FROM A RECENT WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE REGARDING THE LANGUAGE IN ONE OF THE TYPES OF NDAs WHERE THE TERMS WERE DESCRIBED AS VERY BROAD. FOR INSTANCE, THE TERMS CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION WAS DEFINED TO BE ANYTHING THAT, QUOTE, MR. TRUMP INSISTS REMAIN PRIVATE OR CONFIDENTIAL INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO THE PERSONAL LIFE, POLITICAL AFFAIRS, AND/OR BUSINESS AFFAIRS OF MR. TRUMP OR ANY FAMILY MEMBER, CLOSED QUOTE. DID THOSE TERMS SOUND FAMILIAR TO YOU?>>I HAVE SEEN THAT DOCUMENT.>>IN FACT, THERE IS A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT FILED THIS MONTH BY FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN WORKER JESSICA DENSON THAT THIS NDA LANGUAGE IS TOO BROAD, TOO VAGUE AND WOULD BE USED TO RETALIATE AGAINST EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD COMPLAIN OF ILLEGALITY OR WRONG DOING. WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IN THE USE OF THE TYPES OF NDA’S WITH THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE AND LATER WHEN DONALD TRUMP SOUGHT TO ENFORCE THEM, THAT HE INTENDED TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING FORWARD WITH CLAIMS OF WRONG DOING?>>YES.>>WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE EFFECT OF THE USE OF THE NDAs AND ENFORCEMENT IS TO HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON PEOPLE OR SILENCE THEM FROM COMING FORWARD?>>I APOLOGIZE, IF YOU WANT TO DEFINE CHILLING.>>OH, JUST THAT HE WOULD, IN USING THE NDAs OR TRYING TO ENFORCE THEM WOULD BASICALLY BE TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE SILENT.>>THAT WAS THE GOAL.>>AND NOTHING AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION WAS EVER DONE UNLESS IT WAS RUN BY PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.>>THAT IS 100 % CERTAIN.>>OKAY. MR. COHEN, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE TODAY EITHER FROM THE PRESIDENT’S BUSINESS OR PERSONAL LIFE WHO ARE NOT COMING FORWARD TO TELL THEIR STORIES OF WRONG DOING BECAUSE OF THE PRESIDENT’S USE OF NDAs AGAINST THEM?>>I’M SORRY, SIR, I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.>>OKAY. SIR, I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU. WHEN WAS THE LAST COMMUNICATION WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP OR SOMEONE ACTING ON HIS BEHALF?>>I DON’T HAVE THE SPECIFIC DATE BUT IT WAS AWHILE AGO.>>OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A GENERAL TIMEFRAME?>>I WOULD SUSPECT IT WAS WITHIN TWO MONTHS POST THE RAID OF MY HOME.>>OKAY. SO EARLY FALL OF LAST YEAR? GENERALLY?>>GENERALLY.>>AND WHAT DID HE OR HIS AGENT COMMUNICATE TO YOU?>>UNFORTUNATELY, THIS TOPIC IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IS BEING INVESTIGATED RIGHT NOW BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND I’VE BEEN ASKED BY THEM NOT TO DISCUSS IT AND NOT TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES.>>FAIR ENOUGH. IS THERE ANY OTHER WRONG DOING OR ILLEGAL ACT THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF REGARDING DONALD TRUMP THAT WE HAVEN’T YET DISCUSSED TODAY?>>YES. AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE PART OF THE INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.>>SIR, CONGRESSMAN COOPER ASKED YOU ABOUT WHETHER YOU WERE AWARE OF ANY PHYSICAL VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP ABUSING ANY CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT, NO.>>DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP BEING DELIBERATE ON ANY ALIMONY OR CHILD CARE PAYMENTS?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF ANY OF THAT.>>DO YOU HAVE ANY ACKNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP ARRANGING ANY HEALTHCARE PROCEDURES FOR ANY WOMEN NOT IN HIS FAMILY?>>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT, NO.>>I YIELD BACK.>>THANK YOU.>>.>>THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, CAN YOU TELL ME THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MAY 6TH?>>IN TERMS OF?>>A COUPLE OF MONTHS FROM NOW.>>THAT IS DAY THAT I NEED TO SURRENDER TO FEDERAL PRISON.>>COULD YOU, FOR RECORD, STATE WHAT YOU’VE BEEN CONVICTED OF.>>I’VE BEEN CONVICTED OF FIVE COUNTS OF TAX EVASION, ONE COUNT OF MISREPRESENTATION OF DOCUMENTS TO A BANK, THERE ARE TWO COUNTS, ONE DEALING WITH CAMPAIGN FINANCE FOR KAREN McDOUGAL, ONE COUNT OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATION FOR STORMY DANIELS, AS WELL AS LYING TO CONGRESS.>>THANK YOU. CAN YOU STATE WHAT YOUR OFFICIAL TITLE WITH THE CAMPAIGN WAS?>>I DID NOT HAVE A CAMPAIGN TITLE.>>AND YOUR POSITION IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.>>I DID NOT HAVE ONE.>>AND TODAY’S TESTIMONY YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE NOT LOOKING TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IN THEIR STATEMENT, THEIR SENTENCING MEMO SAYS THIS, COHEN’S CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS IN THE FEDERAL ELECTION LAWS WERE ALSO STIRRED LIKE OTHERS CRIMES BY HIS OWN AMBITION AND GREED. COHEN PRIVATELY TOLD FRIENDS, COLLEAGUES AND INCLUDING TEXT MESSAGES THAT ARE EXPECTED TO BE GIVEN A PROMINENT ROLE IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATION. WHEN THAT DID NOT MATERIALIZE, COHEN FOUND A WAY TO MONETIZE HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRESIDENT. WERE THEY LYING OR ARE YOU LYING TODAY IN.>>I’M NOT SAYING IT IS A LIE. I’M SAYING IT IS NOT ACCURATE. I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I RETAINED, I BROUGHT AN ATTORNEY IN AND SAT WITH MR. TRUMP WITH HIM FOR WELL OVER AN HOUR EXPLAINING THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A PERSONAL ATTORNEY, THAT EVERY PRESIDENT HAS HAD ONE IN ORDER TO HANDLE MATTERS LIKE THE MATTERS I WAS DEALING WITH, WHICH INCLUDED –>>I RECLAIM MY TIME.>>I WAS DEALING WITH STEPHANIE CLIFFORD AND ODD –>>EXCUSE ME. THIS IS MY TIME.>>I SUBMIT THE SENTENCING MEMO FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.>>SO ORDERED.>>I’LL GET THAT TO YOU IN A SECOND. OKAY, THIS MEMO STATES THAT YOU COMMITTED FOUR DISTRICT FEDERAL CRIMES OVER A PERIOD OF SEVERAL YEARS. YOU WERE MOTIVATED TO DO SO BY PERSONAL GREED AND REPEATEDLY USED YOUR POWER TO INFLUENCE FOR DECEPTIVE MEANS. IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT YOU — THEY EACH INVOLVED, THEY WERE DISTINCT IN THEIR HARMS BUT BEAR A COMMON SET OF CHARACTERISTICS, THEY INVOLVE DECEPTION AND MOTIVATED BY PERSONAL GREED. THERE IS A LOT WE DON’T KNOW BUT HERE IS WHAT WE DO KNOW. YOU WERE EXPECTING A JOB AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND DIDN’T GET IT. YOU MADE MILLIONS LYING ABOUT YOUR CLOSE ACCESS TO THE PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF LYING FOR PERSONAL GAIN INCLUDING THAT ACCOUNTANT, FAMILY, CONGRESS, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, YOU SAID YOU DID THIS OUT OF BLIND LOYALTY BUT YOUR SENTENCING MEMO STATES THIS, THIS WAS NOT AN ACT OUT OF BLIND LOYALTY AS COHEN SUGGESTS. HE WAS DRIVEN BY A DESIRE TO FURTHER WITH THE FUTURE PRESIDENT WITH WHOM POLITICAL SUCCESS COHEN CLAIMED CREDIT FOR. WE’RE IN A SEARCH FOR TRUTH AND I DON’T KNOW, CHAIRMAN, HOW WE’RE SUPPOSED TO ASCERTAIN THE TRUTH WHEN THE WITNESS IS CONVICTED WITH LYING BEFORE US. WHAT IS SAD IS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THIS PLAY OUT BEFORE. WE HAVE ■PEOPLE IN PROMINENT POSITIONS FAIL AND THEN A COUPLE YEARS LATER, THEY GET A BOOK DEAL. YOU’RE SET TO GO TO JAIL FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, COME OUT WITH A MULTIMILLION BOOK DEAL. THAT IS NOT BAD LIVING. SO MY QUESTION IS WILL YOU, TODAY, WILL YOU TODAY COMMIT TO DONATE ANY FURTHER PROCEEDS TO BOOK DEALS, TO FILM REVIEWS TO CHARITY?>>NO.>>THANK YOU, I YIELD MY TIME.>>WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD?>>NOW, MAY I FINISH?>>WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD?>>YIELD TO MR. MEADOWS.>>MAY I FINISH MY –>>MR. COHEN, HE YIELDED TO ME AND SO –>>I DIDN’T FINISH MY RESPONSE.>>LISTEN.>>I’M ASKING CHAIRMAN, MAY I FINISH MY RESPONSE?>>ANSWER HIS QUESTION, PLEASE.>>MR. COHEN, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN MADE OF YOUR LIES IN PAST. I’M CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR LIES TODAY. UNER YOUR TESTIMONY JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, TO ME, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HAD CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES AND YET WE HAVE A TRUTH IN TESTIMONY DISCLOSURE FORM WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO LIST THOSE FOREIGN CONTRACTS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS AND YOU PUT N/A ON THERE AND IT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO NOT HAVE THAT ACCURATELY SO WHEN WERE YOU LYING? IN THE TESTIMONY TO ME EARLIER TODAY OR WHEN YOU FILLED OUT THE FORM?>>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. MR. COHEN, YOU MAY ANSWER HIS QUESTION AND THEN WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO SAY ON THE OTHER ONE.>>HIS QUESTION IS UNFORTUNATELY, I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR HIS QUESTION.>>NO, NO, NO. MR. CHAIRMAN.>>AS CAN RELATES, THE GENTLEMAN IS OUT OF ORDER. HE SAYS HE DOES NOT HAVE AN ANSWER.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN WE WERE IN THE MAJORITY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. CHAIRMAN, HOLD ON.>>THE GENTLEMAN HAS JUST SAID HE DOESN’T HAVE AN ANSWER. YOU HAVE GONE OVER YOUR TIME.>>HE IS UNDER OATH.>>HE IS UNDER OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH. ONE OF THEM IS NOT ACCURATE, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>YOU WILL HAVE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS.>>JUST A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST A QUESTION.>>MR. RASKIN.>>MR. COHEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMPOSURE TODAY. OUR COLLEAGUES ARE NOT UPSET BECAUSE YOU LIED TO CONGRESS FOR THE PRESIDENT. THEY’RE UPSET BECAUSE YOU STOPPED LYING TO CONGRESS FOR THE PRESIDENT. NOW, YOU HAVE DESCRIBED THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AS A ONCE IN A LIFE TIME MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. THE GREATEST INFORMERCIAL OF ALL TIME I THINK YOU SAID AND THIS MAY BE THE MOST OBSERVATION OF YOUR TESTIMONY. DO YOU THINK THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN OR PRESIDENCY EVER STOPPED ABOUT BEING MAKING MONEY FOR THE PRESIDENT, HIS FAMILY AND ORGANIZATION?>>YES.>>WHEN DID IT STOP BEING THAT?>>WHEN HE WON THE ELECTION.>>WHAT DID IT BECOME ABOUT AT THAT POINT?>>THEN IT HAD TO BE ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO HERE IN WASHINGTON.>>CAN YOU CAREFULLY EXPLAIN TO AMERICA HOW THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO KAREN McDOUGAL AND STORMY McDANIELS WORKED? CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT CATCH AND KILL IS?>>SURE. I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL REGARDING BOTH KAREN McDOUGAL AND STORMY DANIELS, OBVIOUSLY AT DIFFERENT TIMES STATING THERE WERE ISSUES THAT WERE GOING TO BE DAMAGING TO MR. TRUMP WITH THE STORMY DANIELS THAT STARTED IN 2011, WHEN SHE WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING REMOVED FROM A WEBSITE, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I MET — I SPOKE KEITH DAVIDS AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN HAVING IT DOWN FROM THE WEBSITE. YEARS LATER AROUND THE TIME OF THE CAMPAIGN DID COME BACK AND THEY ASKED WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NOW? SHE IS BACK ON THE TRAIL TRYING TO SELL THE STORY AT WHICH POINT IN TIME DAVID ON BEHALF OF THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER REACHED OUT TO HER AND HER ATTORNEY IN ORDER TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT A LIE DETECTORS TEST THAT WOULD PROVE THAT SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH. THEY THEN CONTACTED ME AND TOLD ME THAT SHE WAS TELLING TRUTH, AT WHICH POINT, AGAIN, ALL OF THE TIME –>>SHE TOOK A LIE DETECTORS TEST.>>SHE ALLEGEDLY TOOK A LIE DETECTORS TEST AND WAS SEEN BY AN EMPLOYEE OF THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER. AT WHICH POINT IN TIME I WENT STRAIGHT TO MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE AND I EXPLAINED WHY THIS TIME IT IS DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER TIME.>>WHEN YOU SAY DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER TIME, WERE THERE OTHER WOMEN PAID SEXUAL HUSH MONEY BY DONALD TRUMP OR — WAS THIS A STANDARD OPERATING –>>NO.>>YOU’RE NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER CASES THAT IT TOOK PLACE.>>I’M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER PLACES WHERE MR. TRUMP PAID. THAT TAKES US TO McDOUGAL. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY $125,000 FOR THE LIFE STORY OF KAREN McDOUGAL. HE ELECTED NOT TO PAY IT. DAVID WAS VERY ANGRY BECAUSE THERE WAS ALSO OTHER MONEYS THAT DAVID HAD EXPENDED ON HIS BEHALF. UNFORTUNATELY, DAVID NEVER GOT PAID BACK FOR THAT EITHER.>>SO DAVID HAD DONE THIS IN OTHER CASES OF OTHER MISTRESSES OR WOMEN?>>OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, YES.>>OKAY.>>NOT ALL OF THEM HAD TO DO WITH WOMEN.>>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE AT HOME OR ABROAD THAT MAY HAVE SUBJECTED HIM TO OR MAY SUBJECT HIM TO EXTORTION OR BLACK MAIL?>>I AM NOT.>>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY VIDEO TAPES THAT MAY BE THE SUBJECT OF EXTORTION OR BLACK MAIL?>>I’VE HAD MANY PEOPLE CONTACT ME OVER THE YEARS. I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE TAPE EXISTS.>>IN DECEMBER OF 2015, TRUMP WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH FELIX SADER HE SAID I WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. I’M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HIM. WHY DID HE TRY TO HIDE HIS RELATIONSHIP AND WHAT WAS HIS RELATIONSHIP?>>HE CERTAINLY HAD A RELATIONSHIP. FELIX WAS A PARTNER INVOLVED IN A DEAL WITH THE TRUMP SOHO HOTEL AS WELL AS I BELIEVE THE FORT LAUDERDALE PROJECT. WHY DID HE DISTANCE HIMSELF? THAT IS WHAT MR. TRUMP DOES. HE DISTANCES HIMSELF WHEN THINGS GO BAD FOR SOMEONE AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IT WAS GOING BAD FOR MR. SADER.>>YOU SAID YOU LIED TO CONGRESS ABOUT TRUMP’S NEGOTIATIONS TO BUILD HIS MOSCOW TOWER BECAUSE HE MADE IT CLEAR TO YOU THAT HE WANTED YOU TO LIE. ONE OF THE REASONS YOU KNEW THIS IS BECAUSE, QUOTE, MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS BEFORE I GAVE IT. SO THIS IS A PRETTY BREATHTAKING CLAIM AND I WANTED TO GET TO THE FACTS HERE. WHICH SPECIFIC LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED YOUR STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ON THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS AND DID THEY MAKE ANY CHANGES TO YOUR STATEMENT?>>THERE WERE CHANGES MADE. JAY SECELO FOR ONE.>>CHANGES ABOUT THE TIMING? THE QUESTION –>>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. YOU MAY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.>>THERE WERE SEVERAL CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, INCLUDING HOW WE WERE GOING TO HANDLE THAT MESSAGE, WHICH WAS –>>WERE YOU FINISHED?>>THE MESSAGE BEING OF COURSE, THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT STAYED AND REMAINED ALIVE.>>THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES?>>YES.>>I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR UP SOMETHING THAT BOTHERS ME. YOU STARTED OFF YOUR TESTIMONY IN RESPONSE TO SOME QUESTION THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I DEALT WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP SEVERAL TIMES AS HE WAS TRYING TO GET WISCONSIN. HE WAS ALWAYS CONFIDENT. HE WAS WORKING VERY HARD AND THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW HE WAS JUST RUNNING TO RAISE HIS PROFILE FOR SOME FUTURE ADVENTURE IS PREPOSTEROUS. OTHERWISE, I FIND IT OFFENSIVE WHEN ANTI-TRUMP PEOPLE IMPLY HE DID THIS ON A LARK AND DIDN’T EXPECT TO WIN. MY FIRST QUESTION CONCERNS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COURT. DO YOU EXPECT, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW I THINK YOU’RE SENTENCED TO THREE YEARS, CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>DO YOU EXPECT ANY TIME USING THIS TESTIMONY, OTHER TESTIMONY AFTER YOU GET DONE DOING WHATEVER YOU’RE GOING TO DO THIS WEEK, DO YOU EVER EXPECT TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR ANY SORT OF REDUCTION IN SENTENCE?>>YES, THERE ARE ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS CURRENTLY BEING CONDUCTED THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS COMMITTEE OR CONGRESS THAT I AM ASSISTING IN. IT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF RULE 35 MOTION, YES.>>SO YOU EXPECT AND PERHAPS WHAT YOU TESTIFIED HERE TODAY WILL EFFECT GOING BACK AND REDUCING THIS, WHAT WE THINK IS A RELATIVELY LIGHT THREE YEAR SENTENCE. YOU EXPECT TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR A FURTHER REDUCTION?>>BASED OFF OF MY APPEARANCE HERE TODAY?>>WELL, BASED UPON WHATEVER YOU DO BETWEEN NOW AND YOUR REQUEST FOR –>>THE RULE 35 MOTION IS IN THE COMPLETE HANDS OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND THE WAY THE RULE 35 MOTION WORKS IS WHAT YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO DO IS PROVIDE THEM WITH INFORMATION THAT LEADS TO ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. I AM CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW ON SEVERAL OTHER ISSUES OF INVESTIGATION THAT CONCERNS THEM THAT THEY’RE LOOKING AT. IF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS BECOME FRUITFUL, THEN THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR RULE 35 MOTION. I DON’T>>>BUT THIS CONGRESSIONAL HEARING TODAY IS NOT GOING TO BE THE BASIS OF A RULE 35 MOTION. I WISH IT WAS, BUT IT’S NOT. >>I’D LIKE TO YIELD SOME TIME TO CONGRESSMAN JORDAN. >>YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA. >>MR. COHEN, I’M GOING TO COME BACK TO THE QUESTION I ASKED BEFORE WITH REGARDS TO YOUR FALSE STATEMENT THAT YOU SUBMITTED TO CONGRESS. ON HERE IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT IT ASKED FOR CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN EPTITIES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. HAVE YOU HAD ANY FOREIGN CONTRACT WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES WHETHER IT’S NOVARIS OR THE KOREAN AIRLINE OR KAZAKHSTAN BTA BANK? YOUR TESTIMONY EARLIER SAID YOU HAD CONTRACTS WITH THEM. IN FACT, YOU WENT INTO DETAIL. >>I BELIEVE THE TALKS ABOUT LOBBYING, I DID NO LOBBYING — >>IN YOUR TESTIMONY. I’M NOT ASKING ABOUT LOBBYING MR. COHEN. >>THEY ARE NOT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, THEY ARE PRIVATELY — >>DO YOU HAVE FOREIGN CONTRACTS? >>I CURRENTLY HAVE NO FOREIGN CONTRACTS. >>DID YOU HAVE FOREIGN CONTRACTS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS? >>FOREIGN ACCOUNTS? >>CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES, DID YOU HAVE CONTRACTS? >>YES. >>WHY DIDN’T YOU PUT THEM ON THE FORM? IT SAYS IT’S A CRIMINAL OFFENSE NOT TO PUT THEM ON THIS FORM FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, WHY DID YOU NOT DO THAT? >>BECAUSE THOSE FOREIGN COMPANIES THAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO ARE NOT GOVERNMENT COMPANIES. >>IT SAYS NON-GOVERNMENTAL, MR. COHEN. YOU SIGNED IT. >>THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT ME AS BEING NONGOVERNMENTAL. >>RIGHT. IT SAYS FOREIGN AGENCY. IT SAYS FOREIGN CONTRACTS. DO YOU WANT US TO READ IT TO YOU? >>I READ IT AND IT WAS REVIEWED BY MY COUNSEL, AND I AM A NON-GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE, IT WAS NOT LOBBYING AND IT WAS NOT — >>THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOBBYING. IT SAYS IT’S IT’S NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO LIST ALL YOUR FOREIGN CONTRACTS, THAT’S WHAT IT SAYS. >>WELL, THEN I’M GOING TO TAKE AT THAT LOOK AT IT BEFORE I LEAVE TODAY — >>NO. >>– AND HOPEFULLY I WILL AMEND IT PRIOR TO LEAVING BECAUSE THAT’S NOT THE WAY I READ YOUR DOCUMENT. >>YOU KNOW, IT’S JUST ONE MORE EXAMPLE, MR. COHEN OF YOUR SKIRTING THE TRUTH. OKAY. I WANT TO ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION — >>SIR — >>MR. COHEN, ONE OTHER QUESTION, IT’S MY TIME, NOT YOURS. WERE YOU ADVISED OR WAS YOUR COUNSEL ADVISED TO WITHHOLD YOUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY TO THE LATEST POSSIBLE DATE AS JOHN DEAN SAID LAST NIGHT ON CNN? >>WAS IT MY WHAT? >>WERE YOU ADVISED OR WAS YOUR COUNSEL ADVISED TO WITHHOLD YOUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMITTEE AT THE LATEST POSSIBLE DATE TO GET IT TO THIS COMMITTEE AT THE LATEST POSSIBLE DATE AS JOHN DEAN SAID THAT HE ADVISED YOU? >>WE WERE — >>YES OR NO? >>NO. >>HE NEVER ADVISED YOU? >>JOHN DEAN? I’VE NEVER SPOKEN WITH JOHN DEAN. >>HAS HE SPOKEN TO YOUR ATTORNEY? >>I’VE NEVER SPOKEN TO JOHN DEAN. >>ASK YOUR ATTORNEY, HE’S RIGHT THERE BEHIND YOU. >>WE WERE WORKING LAST NIGHT UNTIL 11:00 OR 12:00. >>YOU’VE KNOWN YOU WERE COMING FOR SOME TIME. >>YOU MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION. ANSWER THE QUESTION. >>WE WERE WORKING UNTIL 11:00, 12:00 LAST NIGHT TO FINISH EVERYTHING. >>SO YOU WERE WRITING IT LAST NIGHT, MR. COHEN? DON’T GIVE ME THAT BULL. >>WE WERE MAKING EDITS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE NIGHT. >>RECOGNIZE — >>I’M SORRY. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, IN NOVEMBER 2013 PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP TESTIFIED UNDER OATH IN A LAWSUIT RELATED TO THE FAILED REAL ESTATE PROJECT TRUMP INTERNATIONAL HOTEL AND TOWER IN FORT LAUDERDALE. DURING THE DEPOSITION PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE OF FELIX SADER, A RUSSIAN-BORN REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER AND CONVICTED MEMBER OF THE RUSSIAN MAFIA WHO ACCORDING TO PRESS REPORTS PLED GUILTY FOR HIS ROLE IN A 40 MILLION STOCK MANIPULATION SCHEME. IT IS WORTH NOTING AS WELL PUBLICIZED THE DIRECT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN MAFIA AND THE KREMLIN. OVER THE YEARS PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED HOW MANY TIMES HE INTERACTED WITH CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER FELIX SADER. IN 2013 PRESIDENT TRUMP TESTIFIED THAT, QUOTE, NOT MANY, IF HE WERE SITTING IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW, I REALLY WOULDN’T KNOW WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE, UNQUOTE. MR. COHEN, AS YOU PREVIOUSLY TESTIFIED, ISN’T IT TRUE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER FELIX SADER IN 2013 WHEN HE MADE THAT STATEMENT? >>YES. >>ISN’T IT TRUE THAT BECAUSE OF MR. SADER’S RELATIONSHIP TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION THAT HE HAD AN OFFICE IN THE TRUMP TOWER? >>AND ON THE 26th FLOOR, MR. TRUMP — >>THE 26th FLOOR IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHY? >>SO HE HAD AN OFFICE ON THE SAME FLOOR AS PRESIDENT TRUMP? >>IN FACT, HIS OFFICE WHEN HE LEFT BECAME MY OFFICE. >>AND ISN’T IT ALSO TRUE THAT CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER SADER EVEN HAD BUSINESS CARDS INDICATIG THAT HE WAS A SENIOR ADVISER TO DONALD TRUMP AS REPORTED BY THE “WASHINGTON POST”? >>YES. >>DID CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER SADER PAY RENT FOR HIS OFFICE? >>NO, HE DID NOT. >>SO BASED ON THOSE FACTS, ISN’T IT TRUE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP MISLED AT BEST OR WORSE LIED UNDER OATH? >>YES. >>IN DECEMBER 2015 PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED AGAIN ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP TO CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER MR. SADER BY REPORTER FOR THE ASSOCIATED PRESS. HE STATED, QUOTE, FELIX SADER, BOY, I HAVE TO EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, UNQUOTE. HE ADDED, QUOTE, I’M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH HIM, UNQUOTE. MR. COHEN, WHERE WOULD WE FIND BUSINESS RECORDS THAT EXPLAIN THE PRESIDENT’S RELATIONSHIP TO THE CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER FELIX SADER. WOULD THOSE BE IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION’S FILES? >>THEY’D BE IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION’S FILES. THERE WOULD BE CCs TO BAY ROCK WHICH WAS THE NAME OF MR. SADER’S COMPANY. I SUSPECT ON MR. SADER’S E-MAIL ADDRESS, POSSIBLY HARD FILES IN POSSESSION OF MR. SADER. >>AND WHEN YOU SAY IN POSSESSION OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION, WHERE? >>>>IT DEPENDS UPON WHO THE ATTORNEY WAS THAT WAS WORKING ON IT. NOW IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN A BOX OFF SITE. THEY HAVE STORAGE FACILITY THAT THEY PUT OLD FILES. >>IN ADDITION TO CONVICTED RUSSIAN MOBSTER SADER, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER TIES TO CONVICTED OR ALLEGED MOBSTERS PRESIDENT TRUMP MAY HAVE? >>I AM NOT AWARE. >>IS IT TRUE THAT MANY PEOPLE WITH TIES TO RUSSIA ULTIMATELY BOUGHT CONDOS AND TRUMP PROPERTIES USUALLY FOR CASH, AND IF SO, HOW MANY ARE WE TALKING, 10, 20, 50? >>I’M NOT — SIR, I’M NOT AWARE OF ANY. YOU KNOW, THIS STATEMENT THAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO I BELIEVE WAS MADE BY EITHER ERIC OR DON, AND I DON’T AGREE WITH IT. >>SO ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY CASH PURCHASES BY RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS AND FAMILY MEMBERS OF TRUMP PROPERTIES? >>I’M NOT AWARE OF THAT. I CAN — WHEN YOU SAY CASH, IF YOU MEAN WALKING IN WITH A SATCHEL OF RUBELS, THE ANSWER IS I’VE NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPY, I’VE NEVER HEARD OF IT. I WILL TELL YOU WHEN WE SOLD MR. TRUMP’S PROPERTY IN PALM BEACH, THE HOME FOR $95 MILLION, IT CAME IN BY WIRE, AND THAT CAME FROM MR. ROBOLEVEV’S BANK ACCOUNT. >>ONE OTHER QUESTION, YOU TALKED ABOUT MR. TRUMP DOING NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN REGARDING THE TRUMP TOWER IN MOSCOW. WAS HE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS, AND IF SO HOW DO YOU KNOW? >>WELL, THE ANSWER IS YES, AND AS IT RELATES TO NEGOTIATIONS, IT WAS MERELY FOLLOWUPS AS TO WHAT’S CURRENTLY HAPPENING, WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH RUSSIA, MEANING HE WANTED ME TO GIVE HIM A STATUS REPORT. THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT THE PROJECT NEVER ADVANCED BECAUSE THEY WERE UNABLE, MR. SADER WAS UNABLE TO PROVIDE ME WITH PROOF THAT SOMEBODY OWNED OR CONTROLLED THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD ON. >>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. >>MR. COHEN, WHY DID MR. TRUMP CHOOSE TO HIRE YOU AND WHY DID HE TRUST YOU WITH THE VARIOUS TASKS THAT YOU PERFORMED FOR HIM? >>I DON’T KNOW, SIR. YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK HIM THAT QUESTION. >>WELL, WE’VE HEARD HERE THAT YOU HAVE BAD CHARACTER, YOU’VE ADMITTED TO THAT OVER THE YEARS, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHY HE CHOSE TO HIRE YOU? >>IN 2006 I WAS ASKED BY DON, JR. TO COME MEET WITH HIS FATHER. I DID. HE THEN FOLLOWED UP BY ASKING IF I WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT AN ISSUE THAT WAS OCCURRING AT TRUMP WORLD TOWER WITH THE BOARD. I WENT AHEAD AND I LOOKED INTO IT, AND I FOUND THAT THE STATEMENTS THAT THE BOARD WERE MAKING ABOUT MR. TRUMP WERE INACCURATE, AND THE REASON DON CAME TO ME IS BECAUSE I HAD AN APARTMENT THERE FOR INVESTMENT, MY PARENTS HAD AN APARTMENT THERE, MY IN-LAWS LIVED THERE, FRIENDS OF MINE, WE ALL BOUGHT IT AS A BIG BLOCK FROM A BROKERAGE COMPANY, AND WE GOT A GOOD PRICE ON EACH UNIT. AND WE ULTIMATELY TURNED OVER THE BOARD AND I BECAME ACTUALLY THE TREASURER OF THE BOARD BECAUSE THE OUT-OF-CONTROL SPENDING WAS GOING TO PUT THE BUILDING INTO BANKRUPTCY. AND I WAS PROUD TO SAY THAT WITHIN A YEAR WE HAD PLUS A MILLION DOLLARS VERSUS MINUS 1.3. AT THE END OF THE DAY MR. TRUMP APPRECIATED THAT, AND HE TASKED ME WITH SOMETHING ELSE. IT WAS TO HANDLE A PROBLEM THAT DON, JR. HAD CREATED IN TERMS OF BUSINESS, LICENSE DEAL. AND WE RESOLVED THAT. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THE THIRD TIME MR. TRUMP HAD ASKED ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE THIRD TRUMP ENTERTAINMENT RESORT CHAPER 11 REORGANIZATION BECAUSE HE HAD A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT HE WANTED ANSWERED. AND I READ THESE TWO STACKED BOOKS, GAVE HIM THE ANSWERS THAT HE NEEDED. AND WITH THAT HE — THE NEXT TIME I WAS SITTING IN HIS OFFICE HE ASKED ME IF I WAS HAPPY WITH THE SLEEPY OLD FIRM THAT I WAS WITH. I SAID YES. HE SAID WOULD YOU RATHER WORK FOR ME. AND I SAID ARE YOU OFFERING ME A JOB? AND HE SAID, YEAH. AND WE NEGOTIATED, AND I ACTUALLY NEVER WENT BACK TO MY OFFICE. >>YOU SUGGESTED THAT THE PRESIDENT SOMETIMES COMMUNICATES HIS WISHES INDIRECTLY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SAID, QUOTE, MR. TRUMP DID NOT TELL ME TO DIRECTLY LIE TO CONGRESS, THAT’S NOT HOW YOU OPERATES, END QUOTE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW HE DOES THIS? >>SURE. IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT IF I SAID THAT’S THE NICEST LOING TIE I’VE EVER SEEN, ISN’T IT? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? ARE YOU GOING TO FIGHT WITH HIM? THE ANSWER IS NO. SO YOU SAY, YEAH, IT’S THE NICEST LOOKING TIE I’VE EVER SEEN. THAT’S HOW HE SPEAKS. HE DOESN’T GIVE YOU QUESTIONS, HE DOESN’T GIVE YOU ORDERS. HE SPEAKS IN A CODE. AND I UNDERSTAND THE CODE BECAUSE I’VE BEEN AROUND HIM FOR A DECADE. >>AND IT’S YOUR IMPRESSION THAT OTHERS WHO WORK FOR HIM UNDERSTAND THE CODE AS WELL? >>MOST PEOPLE, YES. >>MR. COHEN, I DON’T KNOW WHETHER WE SHOULD BELIEVE YOU TODAY, BUT I’M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS ONE LAST QUESTION. WHAT IS THE TRUTH THAT YOU KNOW PRESIDENT TRUMP FEARS MOST?>>THAT’S A TOUGH QUESTION, SIR. I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT ONE. WHAT DOES HE FEAR MOST? >>WHAT’S THE TRUTH THAT HE FEARS MOST FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? AND, AGAIN, I DON’T KNOW IF WE SHOULD BELIEVE YOU HERE TODAY, BUT — >>IT’S A TOUGH QUESTION, SIR. I DON’T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >>LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WHAT PRINCIPLES HAVE YOU CHOSEN TO FOLLOW IN YOUR LIFE AND DO YOU WISH TO FOLLOW DIFFERENT PRINCIPLES NOW? >>I’VE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE A GOOD PERSON. I’VE TRIED TO BE A GREAT FRIEND. THERE WERE MANY, I THINK OVER 40 STATEMENTS WRITTEN IN MY SUPPORT TO THE SENTENCING JUDGE, I HAVE FRIENDSWHO I TREAT INCREDIBLY WELL THAT I KNOW FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND I TREAT PEOPLE AFTER 40 MINUTES THE SAME EXACT WAY. DID — AM I PERFECT, NO? HAVE I MADE MISTAKES? YES. I’M GOING TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES FOR IT. BUT ALL I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BE ABLE TO GET MY LIFE BACK, TO PROTECT MY WIFE AND MY CHILDREN, SUPPORT AND GROW OLD, THAT’S PRETTY MUCH WHERE I’D LIKE TO BE. >>DO YOU FEEL YOU’RE FOLLOWING A DIFFERENT SET OF PRINCIPLES NOW THAN YOU FOLLOWED THROUGHOUT YOUR LIFE? >>I DO. AND I’M TRYING. I’M TRYING VERY HARD. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. SOME OF THE OTHER ONES REALLY MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW SOME REDEMPTION. BUT I AM — I AM TRYING. I AM TRYING. >>THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO MENTION REALLY QUICK A CLARIFICATION ON THE TRUTH IN TESTIMONY FORM. THE MENTION WAS AROUND WHETHER IT TALKS ABOUT FOREIGN ENTITIES AT ALL. AND THE QUESTION IS IN FACT WHETHER WITNESSES HAVE ANY CONTRACTS OR PAYMENTS ORIGINATING WITH A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. IT DOES NOT COVER ALL FOREIGN ENTITIES, JUST FOREIGN GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. SO, MR. COHEN, WHAT I’D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO DO IS REVIEW THIS ISSUE OVER LUNCH WITH YOUR ATTORNEYS, AND IF YOU NEED TO AMEND YOUR FORM, WE ASK THAT YOU DO THAT BEFORE THE CONCLUSION OF TODAY’S HEARING. ALSO I REPRESENT A PURPLE DISTRICT. I DID NOT COME HERE FOR PARTISAN BICKERING. IN FACT, I ACTIVELY WANTED TO AVOID IT. SO WHEN I ASKED THESE QUESTIONS TODAY, IT IS NOT AS SOMEONE WHO HAS A VENDETTA AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. IT’S AS SOMEONE WHO COMES FROM GENERATIONS OF SERVICE MEMBERS WHO SWORE AN OATH TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND WHO ALONG WITH MYSELF AND EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON UP HERE SWORE TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. MY FOREFATHERS SERVED THEIR COUNTRY, THEY SERVED THEIR úCOM SERVED THE IDEA THAT AMERICA IS FREE AND JUST AND THAT THE LAW OF THE LAND RULES US ALL, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF OUR GOVERNMENT. SO I ASK THESE QUESTIONS TO HELP DETERMINE WHETHER OUR VERY OWN PRESIDENT COMMITTED FELONY CRIMES WHILE SERVING IN THE OVAL OFFICE, INCLUDING EFFORTS TO CONCEAL PAYMENTS THAT WERE INTENDED TO MISLEAD THE PUBLIC AND INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF AN ELECTION. I HOPE TO GOD THAT IS NOT THE CASE. SO, MR. COHEN, ON JANUARY 22nd, 2018 JUST DAYS AFTER THE “WALL STREET JOURNAL” BROKE THE STORY THAT MR. COHEN PAID $130,000 TO STEPHANIE CLIFFORD TO SILENCE HER DURING THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, A NONPROFIT WATCHDOG CALLED COMMON CAUSE TO FILE A COMPLAINT — COMMON CAUSE FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND F.E.C. ALLEGING THE PAYMENT TO MS. CLIFFORD MAY HAVE REPRESENTED AN ILLEGALLY IN-KIND CONTRIBUION TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. I ASKED THAT THEIR — I ASK THAT THEIR COMPLAINT BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. ON FEBRUARY 18th, 2018, MR. COHEN, YOU SENT A STATEMENT TO THE REPORTERS THAT SAID, QUOTE, I USED MY OWN PERSONAL FUNDS TO FACILITATE A PAYMENT OF $130,000 TO MISS STEPHANIE CLIFFORD AND NEITHER THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION NOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WAS PARTY TO THE TRANSACTION WITH MS. CLIFFORD AND EITHER RE — NEITHER REIMBURSED ME FOR THE PAYMENT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. IS THE STATEMENT FALSE? >>THE STATEMENT IS NOT FALSE. I PURPOSEFULLY LEFT OUT MR. TRUMP INDIVIDUALLY FROM THAT STATEMENT. >>OKAY. WHY DID YOU SAY IT THAT WAY? >>BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TO DO BETWEEN MYSELF, MR. TRUMP AND ALLEN WISEELBERG. >>SO IT WAS CAREFULLY WORDED? >>YES, MA’AM. >>GREAT. MR. COHEN, A REPORTER FOR THE MAGAZINE “VANITY FAIR” SAID SHE INTERVIEWED YOU THE VERY NEXT DAY ON FEBRUARY 14th, 2018 ABOUT THE PAYMENT AND REIMBURSEMENT, AND SHE WROTE, QUOTE, LAST FEBRUARY 14th I INTERVIEWED COHEN IN HIS OFFICE ABOUT THE STATEMENT HE GAVE THE F.E.C. IN WHICH HE SAID TRUMP DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THE STORMY PAYMENT OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR IT. DO YOU RECALL THIS MEETING WITH THE REPORTER? >>I DO. REPORTER ALSO WROTE TRUMP CALLED WHILE I WAS THERE. I COULDN’T HEAR MUCH, BUT HE WANTED TO GO OVER WHAT THE PUBLIC MESSAGING WOULD BE, THAT ACCURATE? >>IT IS. >>DID MR. TRUMP CALL WHILE YOU HAVE A MEETING WITH A REPORTER? >>YES. >>WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT ASK OR SUGGEST THAT YOU SAY ABOUT THE PAYMENTS OR REIMBURSEMENTS? >>HE WAS NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THESE REIMBURSEMENTS AND HE WASN’T KNOWLEDGEABLE OF MY ACTIONS. >>HE ASKED YOU TO SAY THAT? >>YES, MA’AM. >>GREAT. IN ADDITION TO THE PERSONAL CHECK FOR $35,000 IN JULY 2017, IS THERE ADDITIONAL CORROBORATING EVIDENCE THAT MR. TRUMP WHILE A SITTING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DIRECTLY REIMBURSED YOU HUSH MONEY AS PART OF A CRIMINAL SCHEME TO VIOLATE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS? >>THERE ARE 11 CHECKS THAT I RECEIVED FOR THE YEAR. THE REASON WHY 11 BECAUSE, AS I STATED BEFORE, ONE HAD TWO CHECKS. >>AND YOU HAVE COPIES OF ALL OF THOSE? >>I CAN GET COPIES. I’D HAVE TO GO TO THE BANK. >>SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET COPIES OF ALL 11 CHECKS THAT MR. TRUMP PROVIDED TO YOU AS PART OF THIS CRIMINAL SCHEME? >>IT’S EITHER FROM HIS PERSONAL ACCOUNT AS WHAT WAS DEMONSTRATED IN THE EXHIBIT OR IT WOULD COME FROM THE DONALD J. TRUMP ACCOUNT, THE TRUST ACCOUNT. >>THANK YOU, MR. COHEN. I YIELD BACK THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME. >>MR. GIBBS. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU KNOW, I’VE JUST BEEN SITTING HERE, ON THE COMMITTEE, I’M NOT AN ATTORNEY. SOMETIMES YOUR ANSWERS ARE COMPETENT OR A LIAR I THINK I COULD BE A BETTER ATTORNEY, I DON’T KNOW. I’M LOOKING THROUGH THIS. YOU COME IN HERE AND YOU RAIL ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, COMMANDER IN CHIEF WHILE HE’S OVER ACROSS THE PACIFIC OCEAN TRYING TO NEGOTIATE A DEAL TO MAKE THIS WORLD SAFER, AND, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST HAVING THIS COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME WHEN THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY I THINK IS A NEW PRECEDENT. BUT YOU CALL HIM A RACIST,A CHEAT, YOU KNOW, ATTACK HIS CHARACTER. AND I’VE BEEN WITH THE PRESIDENT A LITTLE BIT, AND I DIDN’T SEE THAT IN THE PRESIDENT. I SEE A PRESIDENT WHO’S VERY SINCERE, IS TRYING TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY BETTER FOR EVERY AMERICAN, AND FOR YOU TO COME IN HERE AND DO THAT IT’S A GREAT PENTENCE ON YOUR PART IS REALLY UNBELIEVABLE. REAL REPENTANCE WOULD BE GO SERVE YOUR TIME AND DON’T COME BACK HERE AND MAKE ALLEGATIONS TOWARDS A MAN YOU CAN’T SUBSTANTIATE. NOW, LOOKING HERE FROM THE REMARKS ON THE PROSECUTOR FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, FALSE STATEMENTS TO BANK 3 WHICH COHEN PLEADED GUILTY WAS ISOLATED EVENT. IT WAS ONE OF THE LONG SERIES OF SELF-SERVING LIES MR. COHEN TOLD TO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. IN EARLIER TESTIMONY I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THERE WAS A HOME EQUITY LOAN, BUT APPARENTLY THE PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK THINK THERE’S OTHER FINANCIAL THINGS THAT YOU DID. YOU ALSO THEY SAID MANAGED TO COMMIT A SERIES OF CRIMES WHILE WITHHOLDING HIMSELF AS A LICENSED ATTORNEY AND UPSTANDING MEMBER OF THE BAR. ALSO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT PROSECUTOR SAID THAT — WROTE THAT YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS OF WRONGDOING IS FLEETING, THAT YOUR REMORSE IS MINIMAL AND THAT YOUR INSTINCT TO BLAME OTHERS IS STRONG. SO I’M KIND OF LEFT HERE, WHY YOU WORKED FOR THE PRESIDENT FOR 10 YEARS BEFORE HE WAS PRESIDENT, IF YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF INTEGRITY THAT YOU’RE TRYING TO TELL US YOU HAVE NOW AND IT WAS THAT BAD, WHY DIDN’T YOU LEAVE? YOU WEREN’T STUCK THERE FOR FINANCIAL REASONS, YOU HAD WAYS TO LEAVE. YOU’RE AN ATTORNEY. AND SO THAT’S JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT IS WORKING TIRELESSLY AND YOU COME AND MAKE THESE ALLEGATIONS AND YOU COULD HAVE LEFT ANYTIME YOU WANT. LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU’RE TRYING TO SAVE FACE. THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUT HERE IS IT LOOKS LIKE OU’RE GOING TO LUCRATIVE DEAL AT SOME POINT IN YOUR LIFE, BUT YOU DON’T LOOK LIKE YOU’RE CLOSE TO RETIREMENT, AND YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE A LUCRATIVE DEAL. AND SO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, AND IT’S COME UP A LITTLE BIT, THERE’S BEEN TALK ABOUT CONGRESS AND STAFF AND YOU SAID THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS. WAS ANY OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU OR YOUR ATTORNEYS HAD WITH MEMBERS OF CONGRESS OR STAFF OR PROSECUTORS GIVE CONSIDERATIONS TO FAVOR OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS TO YOUR FAMILY IN THE FUTURE? >>NO. THE CONVERSATIONS WERE ABOUT THE TOPICS AND — BECAUSE THERE WERE THINGS THAT ORIGINALLY WE COULD NOT SPEAK ABOUT AT THE REQUEST OF WHETHER IT WAS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE OR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OR ANY OF THE OTHER AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE HOUSE SELECT INTEL OR THE SENATE SELECT INTEL. SIR, JUST FOR YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION HERE, I ASKED TO COME HERE. YOUR CHAIRMAN SENT A LETTER TO MR. DAVIS, AND I ACCEPTED. SO I’M HERE VOLUNTARILY. >>I UNDERSTAND THAT. >>AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT I’M HERE — >>I UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK IT’S POLITICAL THEATER. >>IT’S NOT POLITICAL THEATER FOR ME, AND I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN SAYING ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT MR. TRUMP. YOU’VE MET HIM FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. I’VE BEEN WITH HIM FOR OVER A DECADE. I’VE TRAVELED WITH HIM INTERNATIONALLY, I’VE SPENT DINNERS WITH HIM. IT DOESN’T MAKE ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON HERE. AND AS FAR AS SAVING FACE, I’M NOT SURE HOW BEING IN FRONT OF THE WORLD BEING CALLED — >>WELL, THIS WORLD TODAY WITH THESE LUCRATIVE BOOK DEALS THAT HAVE COME ABOUT, I THINK YOU’LL BE PRETTY GOOD IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS. I YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME TO THE CHAIRMAN, RANKING MEMBER. >>I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING. EARLIER YOU SAID YOU STARTED THE CAMPAIGN? >>THAT’S CORRECT, IN 27. >>YOU STARTED THE CAMPAIGN FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES FOR DONALD TRUMP? >>I DID, SIR. >>NOW THAT’S NEWS. >>SHOULDRUN.COM. >>WOW! >>2007. IT WAS MY IDEA. I SAW — 2011, IT WAS MY IDEA. I SAW A DOCUMENT IN A NEWSPAPER THAT SAID WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR IN 2012? 6% OF THE PEOPLE SAID — >>MICHAEL COHEN. >>OTHER PEOPLE TURNED AROUND AND SAID THEY’D VOTE FOR TREUMP, SO I BROUGHT IT INTO HIS OFFICE AND I SAID TO HIM, MR. TRUMP, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. AND WOULDN’T THAT BE GREAT AND WITH THAT IS WHERE IT ALL STARTED. >>YEAH. OKAY. LIKE I’M SURE HE HAD NEVER THOUGHT OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT UNTIL YOU CAME — >>NO, I DIDN’T THAT EITHER. >>I GOT EIGHT SECONDS. WHAT DID YOU TALK TO MR. SCHIFF ABOUT? >>I SPOKE TO MR. SCHIFF ABOUT TOPICS THAT WERE GOING TO BE RAISED AT THE UPCOMING HEARING. >>WHOA. NOT JUST WHAT TIME YOU’RE GOING TO SHOW UP, WHAT YOU’RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TALK ABOUT? WOW! >>THE TIME HAS EXPIRED. >>MR. SARBANES. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MR. COHEN. I KNOW THE OTHER SIDE IS SUGGESTING THAT YOU ARE A ENCORE JILL LIAR AND THAT YOUR — INCORJILL LIAR AND THAT YOU’RE A LIAR HERE TODAY. YANG OF ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO — I CAN’T THINK OF ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO LIE, THEY TALK ABOUT BOOK DEALS AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO DO, BUT I SEE A LOT MORE THAT YOU COULD LOSE BY TELLING THE TRUTH TODAY GIVEN THE THREATS AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AGAINST YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. SO THAT’S HOW I’M INTERPRETING IT. AND OF COURSE YOU BROUGHT DOCUMENTS WITH YOU AS WELL TO BOLSTER THE CREDIBILITY OF YOUR TESTIMONY. I DID WANT TO GO BACK TO AN EARLIER LINE OF QUESTIONING REGARDING THE PREPARATION OF YOUR TESTIMONY BEFORE YOU CAME BEFORE THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, YOU’VE TALKED ABOUT A MEETING AT THE WHITE HOUSE WHERE THE TESTIMONY WAS BEING REVIEWED. I THINK YOU SAID THERE WAS ONE WHITE HOUSE ATTORNEY, JAY SEKULOW WHO ACKNOWLEDGED YOU WERE THERE AND THERE WERE SOME EDITS THAT YOU MADE TO YOUR TESTIMONY. SO ON THAT TOPIC, WHO AT THE WHITE HOUSE RYE VIEWED YOUR TESTIMONY? >>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. THE DOCUMENT WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED BY MYSELF ALONG WITH MY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME AND THERE WAS A JOINT DEFENSE AGREEMENT SO THE DOCUMENT CIRCULATED AROUND. I BELIEVE IT WAS ALSO REVIEWED BY ABBY LOWELL WHO REPRESENTS IVANKA AND JARED KUSHNER. >>WHY DID YOU PROVIDE THE TESTIMONY TO THE WHITE HOUSE? >>IT WAS PURSUANT TO THE JOINT DEFENSE AGREEMENT THAT WE WERE ALL OPERATING UNDER. >>WHAT WERE THE EDITS THAT CAME BACK SUBSTANITIVELY ON THE >>I’M SORRY. I DON’T KNOW, SIR. I’D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT. >>DID YOU HAVE A — DO YOU HAVE A REACTION TO WHY THERE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE SENSE OF PROTEST OF WHAT WAS GOING TO BE FALSE TESTIMONY THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED? >>NO, SIR, BECAUSE THE GOAL WAS TO STAY ON MESSAGE WHICH IS LIMIT THE RELATIONSHIP WHATSOEVER WITH RUSSIA, IT WAS SHORT, THERE’S NO RUSSIAN CONTACTS, THERE’S NO RUSSIAN COLLUSION, THERE’S NO RUSSIAN DEALS, THAT’S THE MESSAGE, THAT’S THE SAME MESSAGE THAT EXISTED WELL BEFORE MY NEED TO COME AND TESTIFY. >>SO IT’S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THIS IDEA, THIS MINTY OF YOU TOW THE LINE, WHATEVER THE STORY LINE OR THE NARRATIVE OF THE DAY OR THE MONTH OR THE YEAR IS GOING TO BE, YOU TOW THAT LINE WHETHER IT RESULTS IN FALSE TESTIMONY OR NOT. >>I TOWED THE PARTY LINE. AND I’M NOW SUFFERING AND I’M GOING TO CONTINUE TO SUFFER FOR A WHILE ALONG WITH MY FAMILY AS A RESULT OF IT, SO, YES. >>LET ME SWITCH GEARS QUICKLY BEFORE MY TIME EXPIRES. YOU MAY NOT HAVE DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF SOME OF THESE THINGS, BUT YOU’RE OFFERING US SOME VERY HELPFUL PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THE TRUMP WORLD OPERATES, AND, FRANKLY, ANOTHER REASON I FIND YOUR TESTIMONY FAIRLY COMPELLING AND CREDIBLE IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU’RE DESCRIBING, A LOT OF THE BEHAVIOR YOU’RE DESCRIBING IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ALL SEE EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO IT’S NOT A LEAP FOR US TO ARRIVE IN THE SAME PLACE OF PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU’VE PRESENTED. I’M INTERESTED IN SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES AROUND THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE, THE INAUGURATION, THE PRESIDENT, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT APPEARED IN PROPUBLICA, IT’S A WATCHDOG GROUP ABOUT SOME NEGOTIATION ON PRICING OF THINGS AT THE TRUMP HOTEL WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THE RENTAL THAT WAS BEING QUOTED WAS SUBSTANTIAL, EVEN DOUBLE WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO PAY ACCORDING TO WHAT THE MARKET SHOULD BEAR. AND SO IN A SENSE THE TRUMP HOTEL WAS UPCHARGING TO THE INAUGURAL — >>EVEN I COULDN’T AFFORD TO STAY THERE. >>YEAH. SO I’M JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHETHER THAT KIND OF A PRACTICE IS SOMETHING THAT IS CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THAT KIND OF UPCHARGING COULD BE DONE INSIDE A TRUMP OPERATION? >>IT DID HAPPEN. >>GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. >>AND WHAT I CAN SAY TO YOU IS THAT I WASN’T PART OF THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE. I RAISED A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE INAUGURATION, BUT I WAS NOT PART OF IT. AND IT WAS A LOT OF THINGS IN THAT ACTUALLY THAT ISSUE IS SOMETHING THAT’S ALSO OBVIOUSLY WE’VE READ ABOUT IN THE PAPER BEING INVESTIGATED AT THE CURRENT MOMENT. >>THANK YOU. >>MR. HIGGINS. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, TELL YOU, SIR, THAT I’M SORRY FOR WHAT YOUR FAMILY IS GOING THROUGH. I FEEL FOR YOUR FAMILY. >>THANK YOU. >>THE WORD TELLS US CLEARLY THAT A MAN’S MOUTH IS HIS DESTRUCTION AND HIS LIPS ARE THE SNARE OF HIS SOUL, AND I SEE YOU A MAN TRAPPED IN THAT. HOWEVER, I MUST TELL YOU THAT I’VE ARRESTED SEVERAL THOUSAND MEN AND YOU REMIND ME OF MANY OF THEM. THE ONES THAT IMMEDIATELY BECOME HUMBLE AND REMORSEFUL AT THE TIME THEY’RE ACTUALLY BOOKED AND WHILE THEY’RE INCARCERATED THEY’RE QUITE REPENTANT AND THEN RETURN TO THEIR FORMER SELFS WHEN THEY’RE BACK ON THE STREET. SO RESPECTFUL TO YOUR FAMILY AND WHAT THEY’RE GOING THROUGH. I OWE YOU THE HONESTY TO TELL YOU THAT THAT’S MY SENSE OF YOU, GOOD, SIR. I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO WHAT YOU BRUSHED OFF EARLIER REGARDING YOUR OWN STATEMENT DURING THIS TESTIMONY FROM C- SPAN NOTATION AT TWO HOURS AND 50 SECONDS IN, YOU STATED REGARDING YOUR CREDIBILITY THAT YOU’VE BEEN ACCUSED OF HAVING NO CREDIBILITY, THAT IT IS EXACTLY FOR THAT REASON I SPENT THE LAST WEEK SEARCHING BOXES TO FIND THE INFORMATION THAT I DID SO YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS AND MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS. NOW, THE DOCUMENTS YOU’RE REFERRING TO, MR. COHEN, ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU SUBMITTED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT? >>THAT IS CORRECT. >>DO YOU BELIEVE THOSE DOCUMENTS TO BE WORTHY OF EVIDENCE FOR THIS OVERSIGHT HEARING TODAY? >>I LEAVE THAT TO YOU TO DECIDE. >>I ASK YOU AGAIN, SIR, AND PLEASE DON’T BE INCREDULOUS, THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION, WHERE ARE THOSE BOXES THAT CONTAIN DOCUMENTS WORTHY OF EVIDENCE TO BE PRESENTED TO CONGRESS AND WHY HAVE THEY NOT BEEN TURNED OVER TO INVESTIGATING AUTHORITIES LOOKING INTO SOME OF THE MANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES THAT YOU’RE ALLEGEDLY COOPERATING IN? WHERE ARE THESE BOXES? WHO KNOWS — WHERE IS THIS TREASURE OF EVIDENCE? >>THE BOXES THAT I’M REFERRING TO WERE BOXES THAT WERE IN MY LAW OFFICE WHEN THE F.B.I. ENTERED AND SEIZED DOCUMENTS. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THE INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITIES HAVE NOTED WHAT THE GENTLEMAN HAS JUST STATED AND THAT ACTIONS BE TAKEN FOR THOSE BOXES TO BE SEIZED AND REVIEWED BASED UPON PROPER WARRANTS SIGNED BY A SITTING JUDGE. YOU NOTED EARLIER TODAY, MR. COHEN, QUITE INCREDULOUSLY, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ASKED YOU REGARDING THE TELEVISION DEAL, YOU EXPRESSED WONDERMENT THAT YOUR PREDICAMENT COULD POSSIBLY GET YOU ON TELEVISION. IT CERTAINLY GOT YOU ON TELEVISION TODAY, HAS IT NOT, SIR? >>SIR, I WAS ON TELEVISION REPRESENTING MR. TRUMP GOING BACK INTO 2007. >>WELL, — BACK INTO 2011. >>I DIDN’T KNOW WHO YOU WERE TODAY REALLY UNTIL THE F.B.I. RAIDED YOUR HOME, MOST OF AMERICANS DIDN’T KNOW WHO YOU WERE. HOW MANY ATTORNEYS DO YOU THINK MR. TRUMP HAS HAD THROUGH THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER? QUITE A FEW, I WOULD IMAGINE. YOU’RE JUST ONE THAT’S IN A TRAP RIGHT NOW. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU’RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF IT. YOU’RE IN A BIND. BUT I ASK YOU, GOOD, SIR, HAVE YOU DISCUSSED FILM AND BOOK DEALS WITH YOUR STATED CURRENT ATTORNEY MR. DAVIS, LANNY DAVIS? >>WITH MR. DAVIS? >>YES. >>NO. BUT I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO DO BOOK DEALS, MOVIE DEALS AND SO ON. SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. >>THAT’S YOUR RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN, BUT IT LEADS ME BACK TO MY INSTINCT THAT COMPARES YOU TO MANY OF THE MEN THAT I’VE ARRESTED DURING THE COURSE OF MY CAREER. MR. CHAIRMAN — >>WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SIR — >>THAT OUR PRIMARY HEARING TO INTRODUCE THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE 116th CONGRESS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE MANIFESTED IN THE WAY THAT IT OBVIOUSLY IS — THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO INJURE OUR PRESIDENT AND LAY SOME SOFT CORNERSTONE FOR FUTURE IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. THIS IS THE FULL INTENT OF THE MAJORITY. I YIELD MY REMAINING 30 SECONDS TO THE RANKING MEMBER. >>MR. COHEN, EARLIER YOU SAID THE UNITED STATES SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS NOT ACCURATE IN THAT STATEMENT. >>I’M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. >>EARLIER YOU SAID THAT THE UNITED STATES SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ATTORNEYS OFFICE, THAT STATEMENT IS NOT ACCURATE. YOU SAID IT’S NOT A LIE, YOU SAID IT’S NOT ACCURATE. DO YOU STAND BY THAT? >>YES, I DID NOT WANT A ROLE IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATION. >>SO THE COURTS WERE WRONG? >>SIR. CAN I FINISH, PLEASE? >>SURE. >>I GOT EXACTLY THE ROLE THAT I WANTED. THERE IS NO SHAME IN BEING PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT. I GOT EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED. I ASKED MR. TRUMP FOR THAT JOB, AND HE GAVE IT TO ME. >>ALL I’M ASKING, AND I APPRECIATE IT, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU’RE SAYING THAT STATEMENT FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ATTORNEY IS WRONG. >>I’M SAYING I DIDN’T WRITE IT AND IT’S NOT ACCURATE. >>ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >>MR. WELCH. >>THANK YOU. ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT EVENTS IN THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN OF COURSE WAS THE DUMP OF E-MAILS STOLEN FROM THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE, DUMPED BY WIKILEAKS. MR. COHEN, DURING YOUR OPENING STATEMENT WHICH WAS AT THE HEIGHT OF THE ELECTION, YOU TESTIFIED YOU WERE ACTUALLY MEETING WITH DONALD TRUMP IN JULY 2016 WHEN ROGER STONE HAPPENED TO CALL AND TELL MR. TRUMP THAT HE HAD JUST SPOKEN TO JULIAN ASSANGE, IS THAT CORRECT? >>THAT IS CORRECT. >>AND YOU SAID THAT MR. SAY SANG TOLD MR. — ASSANGE TOLD MR. TRUMP ABOUT AN UPCOMING QUOTING YOUR OPENING STATEMENT, QUOTE, MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN. SO I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ROGER STONE’S PHONE CALL TO THE PRESIDENT. FAWFERL, WAS THAT ON SPEAKER PHONE — FIRST OF ALL, WAS THAT ON SPEAKER PHONE, IS THAT WHAT YOU INDICATED? >>YES. SO MR. TRUMP HAS A BLACK SPEAKER PHONE THAT SITS ON HIS DESK. HE USES IT QUITE OFTEN BECAUSE ALL THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS THAT HE GETS. >>NOW, IN JANUARY THIS YEAR, 2019, THE “NEW YORK TIMES” ASKED MR. TRUMP IF HE EVER SPOKE TO ROGER STONE ABOUT THESE STOLEN E-MAILS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP ANSWERED, AND I QUOTE, NO, I DIDN’T, I NEVER DID. WAS THAT STATEMENT BY PRESIDENT TRUMP TRUE? >>NO, IT’S NOT ACCURATE. >>AND CAN YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE FOR US TO THE BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION, YOU WERE PRESENT, EXACTLY WHAT MR. STONE SAID TO MR. TRUMP? >>IT WAS A SHORT CONVERSATION, AND HE SAID, MR. TRUMP, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH JULIAN ASSANGE AND IN A COUPLE OF DAYS THERE’S GOING TO BE A MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT’S GOING TO SEVERELY HURT THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN. >>AND WAS MR. TRUMP AND MR. STONE AWARE OF WHERE THOSE E- MAILS CAME FROM? >>THAT I’M NOT AWARE OF. >>DID MR. TRUMP EVER SUGGEST THEN OR LATER TO CALL THE F.B.I. TO REPORT THIS BREACH? >>HE NEVER EXPRESSED THAT TO ME. >>DID THE PRESIDENT AT THAT TIME OR EVER SINCE IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE INDICATE AN AWARENESS THAT THIS CONDUCT WAS WRONG? >>NO. >>THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE ON JULY 22nd ON THE EVE OF THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, WIKILEAKS PUBLISHED, AS YOU KNOW, THE 20,000 LEAKED INTERNAL D.N.C. E-MAILS. COULD YOUR MEETING WITH MR. TRUMP HAVE BEEN BEFORE THAT DATE? >>YES. >>SO MR. TRUMP WAS AWARE OF THE UPCOMING DUMP BEFORE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED? >>YES. >>AND IS THERE ANY — >>THOUGH, SIR, I DON’T KNOW WHETHER HE KNEW OR NOT, AND I DON’T BELIEVE HE DID WHAT THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE OF THE DUMP WAS GOING TO BE, ONLY THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DUMP OF E-MAILS. >>AND HE WAS AWARE OF THAT BEFORE THE DUMP OCCURRED, CORRECT? >>YES, SIR. >>ALL RIGHT. AND ARE THERE ANY RECORDS THAT WOULD CORROBORATE THE DAY OF THIS MEETING, CALENDARS PERHAPS? >>I’M NOT IN POSSESSION, BUT I BELIEVE, AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL AND THEY ARE PROBABLY BEST SUITED TO CORROBORATE THAT INFORMATION. >>WAS ANYONE ELSE PRESENT IN THE ROOM DURING THE CALL? >>I DON’T RECALL AT THIS MOMENT, NO, SIR. >>IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THE COMMITTEE SHOULD TALK TO ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S KNOWLEDGE OF THE WIKILEAKS E-MAIL DUMP? >>AGAIN, WHEN HE CALLED L WILL RONAGRN YELLED OUT IS ON LINE ONE. >>THAT’S HIS ASSISTANT? >>YES. >>AND DURING A NEWS CONFERENCE ON JULY 27th, 2016, THEN CANDIDATE TRUMP PUBLICLY APPEALED TO RUSSIA TO HACK HILLARY CLINTON’ E-MAILS AND MAKE THEM PUBLIC. HE STATED, AND I QUOTE, RUSSIA, IF YOU’RE LISTENING, I HOPE YOU’RE ABLE TO FIND THE 30,000 E-MAILS THAT ARE MISSING. NOW, GOING BACK TO MR. STONE’S PHONE CALL TO THE PRESIDENT, DO YOU RECALL IF MR. TRUMP HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THE WIKILEAKS DUMP AT THE TIME OF HIS DIRECT APPEAL TO RUSSIA? >>I AM NOT. >>BUT THE CALL WITH MR. STONE YOU BELIEVE WAS BEFORE — >>YES. >>THIS 27th — >>I’M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT SET OF DOCUMENTS THAT GOT DUMPED. I WAS IN MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE IT WAS EITHER JULY 18th OR 19th AND, YES, HE WENT AHEAD — I DON’T KNOW IF THE 35,000 OR 30,000 E-MAILS WAS WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO. HE CERTAINLY HAD KNOWLEDGE. >>ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. MR. RASKIN HAD BEEN ASKING YOU SOME QUESTIONS AND ONE OF THE THINGS IN YOUR ANSWER IS THAT MR. EXPENDED OTHER MONEYS TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHAT SOME OF THOSE OTHER ACTIVITIES WERE? >>SURE. THERE WAS THE STORY ABOUT MR. TRUMP HAVING A LOVE CHILD WITH AN EMPLOYEE — WITH AN EMPLOYEE AND ACTUALLY THE HUSBAND OF THAT EMPLOYEE WORKS FOR THE COMPANY AS WELL, AND THERE WAS AN ELEVATOR OPERATOR WHO CLAIMS THAT HE OVERHEARD THE CONVERSATION TAKING PLACE BETWEEN ONE OF MR. TRUMP’S OTHER EXECUTIVES AND SOMEBODY AND HE ENDED UP PAYING LIKE $15,000 IN ORDER TO BUY THAT STORY TO FIND OUT WHETHER IT WAS TRUE OR NOT, AND THAT’S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THINGS THAT DAVID HAD DONE — IT WAS THE REASON WHY IN THE RECORDING WHEN DAVID WAS LOOKING TO BECOME THE C.E.O. OF “TIME” MAGAZINE, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WE’LL CALL IT THE TREASURE TROVE OF DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED OVER THE YEARS THAT IF HE LEFT SOMEBODY COULD OPEN UP THE KEY TO A DRAWER AND FIND ALL THIS INFORMATION. SO WE WERE GOING TO LOOK TO BUY ALL OF THOSE LIFE RIGHTS AND SO ON. >>MR. COHEN, THANK YOU FOR TESTIFYING. I JOIN CONGRESSMAN HIGGINS IN FEELING FOR YOUR FAMILY. THEY HAVE NO PART IN THIS. I’VE HEARD ALL THE TESTIMONY AND I’M TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT ú YOU REALLY SORRY FOR WHAT YOU DID, OR YOU JUST GOT CAUGHT. AND THE THING THAT AMAZED ME IS THAT IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT, WHICH, LET ME QUOTE, LAST FALL I PLED GUILTY IN FEDERAL COURT TO FELONIES FOR THE BENEFIT OF, AT THE DIRECTION OF, AND IN COORDINATION WITH INDIVIDUAL ONE. WAS THAT THE PRESIDENT? >>YES, SIR. >>OKAY. YOUR CRIMES WERE OF YOUR OWN TO BENEFIT YOURSELF. >>SOME OF THEM — >>NO. GO THROUGH ALL THE ONES WITH THE REAL ESTATE, WITH THE BANKS, ON YOUR HELOCK LOAN, YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE MORE THAN $20 MILLION IN DEBT. YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE $70,000 IN MONTHLY PAYMENTS, ON YOUR $14 MILLION LINE OF CREDIT. YOU FAILED TO DISCLOSE THAT YOU HAD DRAWN ON THAT. SO THIS WAS ALL FOR YOURSELF. THIS WASN’T FOR THE BENEFIT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. THIS WAS TO BENEFIT MICHAEL COHEN. SO THAT’S MY QUESTION, DID YOU JUST GET CAUGHT? AND YOU WORKED FOR THIS MAN FOR 10 YEARS, MR. COHEN. YOU CAME IN HERE WITH THESE HE’S A CON MAN, HE’S CHEAT. THIS IS THE VERY MAN THAT DIDN’T YOU WIRETAP HIM ILLEGALLY? DIDN’T YOU WIRETAP HIM WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE. >>I DID RECORD HIM IN A CONVERSATION, YES. >>IS THAT A LAWYER/CLIENT PRIVILEGE, SOMETHING THAT AN HONEST GUY WOULD DO? >>I NEVER THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE HAPPENING AND THAT RECORDING EVEN EXISTED. I HAD FORGOTTEN. >>BUT YOU DID IT? >>YES, I DID. >>HAVE YOU EVER — >>I HAD A REASON FOR DOING IT. >>WHAT WAS YOUR REASON? >>BECAUSE I KNEW HE WASN’T GOING TO PAY THAT MONEY AND DAVID HAD ALREADY CHEWED ME OUT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS REGARDING OTHER MONEYS THAT HE EXPENDED. >>BUT THIS IS A MAN THAT YOU TRUSTED, YOU’D TAKE A BULLET FOR, YOU SECRETLY RECORDED. LET ME ASK YOU THIS, MR. COHEN, HAVE YOU LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY RECORDED OTHER CLIENTS? >>I HAVE RECORDINGS OF PEOPLE, YES. >>LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY? >>I BELIEVE THAT THEY’RE LEGAL. >>DID YOU TELL THEM? >>IN NEW YORK STATE YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO THAT. >>SO YOU DIDN’T TELL THEM? >>NO, I DID NOT. >>SOMETIMES I ALSO USED THE RECORDINGS FOR CONTEMPORANEOUS NOTE TAKING INSTEAD OF WRITING IT DOWN. I FIND IT EASIER. >>IF THE SHOE WERE REVERSED — YOU’RE A — WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR TRUSTED LAWYER RECORDING YOU? >>I PROBABLY WOULD NOT, KNOW. >>NO. IT’S UNTRUSTWORTHY. IT’S SOMETHING PEOPLE JUST WOULD NOT DO. NOW, YOUR BANK LOANS THAT I JUST RAN DOWN, DID YOU HAVE A DEFAULT ON ANY OF THESE LOANS? >>NO, SIR. >>SO THE BANK DIDN’T TAKE ANY LOSS? >>NO BANK HAS — I AM NOT IN DEFAULT, I’VE NEVER FILED A BANRUPTCY. THE HELOCK YOU’RE REFERRING TO, I REPLACED THAT FROM A DIFFERENT HELOCK, PAID IT OFF. I OWE NO BANKS ANY MONEY. >>HOW ABOUT MEDALLION TAXI CAB — >>WELL, THE ONES IN CHICAGO, YES, I DO HAVE TO SELL. HOWEVER, NEW YORK THE ANSWER IS NO, I DON’T. AND THEY ARE — THE INDUSTRY IS GOING THROUGH A MAJOR, MAJOR CORRECTION BECAUSE OF RIDE SHARING. IT’S CHANGED A LOT OF THINGS. >>THE VALUE OF IT HAS. >>YES, SIR. >>RIGHT. HAS THE — SO NO BANK — WOULD THE BANKS MAKE YOU A LOAN AGAIN BASED ON YOUR RECORD? >>ACTUALLY, THEY DID. THEY DID POST IT, YES, THE BANK ACTUALLY REDID AND THEY REFINANCED THE ENTIRE PACKAGE. >>CURRENTLY? >>YES. >>THEY NEVER HAD TO DO A LOAN LOSS RESERVE FOR THE PROJECTED LOSSES? >>I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY DID, BUT IT’S THE SAME AMOUNT. I DID NOT GET THE BENEFIT OF IT, NO, SIR. >>MOST LIKELY THEY DID. I WAS ON AN AUDIT COMMITTEE — >>THEY MAY HAVE DONE THAT, SIR, BUT IT’S FOR THEIR OWN BANKING. >>NO, IT’S MY LOAN. IF THEY SUSPECT YOU OF LYING WHICH YOU ADMITTED TO, IF THEY SUSPECT YOU OF MAYBE NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE YOUR LOAN PAYMENT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LOAN LOSS RESERVE THAT’S 125% OF WHAT YOU — $20 MILLION THEY HAVE TO POST IN THEIR ACCOUNT, $20 MILLION PLUS. SO THEY GET NO INTEREST ON IT. AND YOU KNOW WHO PAYS FOR THAT? THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WHO DEALS WITH THAT BANK. >>YES, BUT, SIR, I’M NOT IN DEFAULT, AND I’M CURRENT ON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE MEDALLION LOANS. AND I’VE NEVER OWED ANY MONEY TO FIRST REPUBLIC BANK. IN FACT, AT THE TIME THAT I HAD THE HELOCK, I HAD MORE CASH SITTING IN THAT SAME BANK THAN — >>LAST QUESTION. >>AND MY MORTGAGE COMBINED. >>VA YOU BEEN TO PRAGUE? >>I’VE NEVER BEEN TO PRAGUE. >>NEVER HAVE? >>NEVER BEEN TO THE CZECH REPUBLIC. >>YIELD THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. >>MS. SPIER. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THANK YOU MR. COHEN. ON PAGE FIVE OF YOUR STATEMENT, YOU SAY, AND I QUOTE, YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYERS REVIEWED AND EDITED MY STATEMENT TO CONGRESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE MOSCOW TOWER NEGOTIATIONS. WHO WERE THOSE ATTORNEYS? >>JAY — FROM THE WHITE HOUSE? >>YES. >>JAY SEKULOW, I BELIEVE ABBY LOWELL AS WELL. >>DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF YOUR ORIGINAL STATEMENT THAT YOU PROVIDED TO THE COMMITTEE? >>I CAN TRY TO GET THAT FOR YOU. >>IF YOU WOULD TRY TO DO THAT. THE LETTER OF INTENT FOR THE MOSCOW TOWER WAS IN THE FALL OF 2015, CORRECT? >>CORRECT. >>WAS THERE AN EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT LETTER OF INTENT? >>THERE WAS NO EXPIRATION DATE. >>SO IT COULD BE IN EFFECT TODAY. >>NO, MA’AM, IT HAS BEEN TERMINATED. >>IT HAS BEEN TERMINATED? >>YES, MA’AM. >>DID PRESIDENT TRUMP TELL YOU TO OFFER PUTIN A FREE COMPLEX? >>THAT WAS A MARKETING STUNT THAT HE SPOKE ABOUT. >>SO FELIX SADER HAD SUGGESTED TO YOU THAT MR. TRUMP OFFER A PENTHOUSE TO MR. PUTIN? >>YES, BECAUSE IT WOULD CERTAINLY DRIVE UP THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, NO DIFFERENT THAN IN ANY CONDO WHERE THEY START LISTING CELEBRITIES THAT LIVE IN THE PROPERTY. >>IN 2016 DID YOU TRAVEL TO EUROPE? >>YES. DID YOU MEET WITH PERSONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT? >>NO. >>IT WAS FOR PERSONAL — >>PERSONAL. MY DAUGHTER WAS STUDYING AT QUEEN MARY IN LONDON. >>SO YOU DID NOT MEET WITH ANY RUSSIANS? >>NO. >>THERE IS AN ELEVATOR TAPE THAT HAS BEEN REFERENCED AS A CATCH-AND-KILL PRODUCT. IT WAS EVIDENTLY OF MR. TRUMP AND A WOMAN, PRESUMABLY MRS. TRUMP, IS THAT CORRECT? >>ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN MOSCOW OR THE TRUMP TOWER ELEVATOR TAPE? >>THERE’S AN ELEVATOR TAPE THAT WENT UP FOR AUCTION — >>YES. >>OSTENSIBLY IN 2016. >>YES, I’VE HEARD ABOUT THIS. >>AND WHO IS ON THAT TAPE? >>IT’S MR. TRUMP WITH MELANIA. >>AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT TAPE? >>THE STORY GOES THAT HE STRUCK MELANIA WHILE IN THAT ELEVATOR BECAUSE THERE’S A CAMERA INSIDE WHICH I’M NOT SO SURE — ACTUALLY, I’M CERTAIN IT’S NOT TRUE. I’VE HEARD ABOUT THAT TAPE FOR YEARS. I’VE KNOWN FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING FOLKS FROM A.M.I. WHO HAVE — >>BUT THERE WAS NO TAPE THAT WENT UP FOR AUCTION, CORRECT? >>I DON’T BELIEVE THAT AUCTION WAS REAL, AND I DON’T BELIEVE ANYBODY — I DON’T BELIEVE MR. TRUMP EVER STRUCK MRS. TRUMP EVER, I DON’T BELIEVE IT. >>AND ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYONE PURCHASING THAT TAPE THEN? >>I DON’T BELIEVE IT WAS EVER PURCHASED. >>SO YOU NEVER SAW THIS TAPE? >>NO, MA’AM. AND I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WENT TO GO TRY TO PURCHASE IT FOR CATCH-AND-KILL PURPOSE. IT DOESN’T EXIST. MR. TRUMP WOULD NEVER IN MY OPINION, THAT’S NOT SOMETHING — >>GOOD TO KNOW. IS THERE A LOVE CHILD? >>THERE IS NOT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. >>SO YOU WOULD PAY OFF SOMEONE TO NOT — >>IT WASN’T ME, MA’AM. IT WAS A.M.I., IT WAS DAVID >>SO HE PAID OFF SOMEONE ABOUT A LOVE CHILD THAT DOESN’T EXIST? >>CORRECT. IT WAS ABOUT $15,000. >>OKAY. HOW MANY TIMES DID MR. TRUMP ASK YOU TO THREATEN AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY ON HIS BEHALF? >>QIE TIMES. >>MORE. >>50 TIMES? >>MORE. >>100 TIMES? >>MORE. >>200 TIMES? MORE. >>500 TIMES. >>PROBABLY OVER THE 10 YEARS. >>AND HE ASKED YOU — >>YOU MEAN THREATEN THEM WITH LITIGATION OR AN ARGUMENT WITH –>>INTIMIDATION. >>A NASTY REPORTER THAT IS WRITING AN ARTICLE. >>WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT — LET’S GO TO YOUR TAPE. YOU SAID THERE’S PROBABLY 100 TAPES? >>VOICE RECORDINGS. >>VOICE RECORDINGS. AND WILL YOU MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO THE COMMITTEE? >>IF YOU WOULD REALLY LIKE THEM. >>WE WOULD. [ LAUGHTER ]>>DID MR. TRUMP — >>DON’T YOU HAVE TO GAVEL THAT, SIR? >>WE WOULD. >>SORRY. >>MR. TRUMP — DID MR. TRUMP TAPE ANY CONVERSATIONS? >>NOT THAT I’M AWARE OF, NO. >>WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THE $25 MILLION SETTLEMENT TO TRUMP UNIVERSITY? >>I HAD A ROLE IN THAT, YES. >>WHO PAID THE SETTLEMENT? >>I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. TRUMP. I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. >>YOU DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT YOU WERE INVOLVED — >>YES, IN A DIFFERENT ASPECT. >>THERE’S SOME REFERENCE TO A BUSINESSMAN IN KANSAS BEING INVOLVED IN THAT, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? >>I’M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, NO. >>FINALLY, MY 13 SECONDS LEFT, WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO KNOW? >>THAT I’M SORRY FOR EVERYTHING AND I’M SORRY FOR THE PAIN THAT I’VE CAUSED THEM AND I WISH I COULD GO BACK IN TIME. >>THANK YOU. I YIELD BACK. >>GENTLELADY’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, BEFORE WE GO TO MS. MILLER, FOR YOUR — SO THAT YOU CAN PROPERLY PLAN, THERE’S A VOTE APPARENTLY COMING UP IN ABOUT 10 TO 20 MINUTES, AND WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL RECESS AND WE WILL COME BACK, LISTEN UP, 30 MINUTES AFTER THE LAST VOTE BEGINS. GOT THAT? NOT IT ENDS, 30 MINUTES AFTER IT BEGINS, AND WE’LL DO THAT PROMPTLY, ALL RIGHT? MS. MILLER. >>MR. COHEN — >>MIC. >>I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED TO HAVE YOU IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE TODAY. QUITE FRANKLY, THIS ISN’T THE REASON THE PEOPLE OF WEST VIRGINIA SENT ME TO CONGRESS. I FIND THIS HEARING NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS IS ANOTHER POLITICAL GAME WITH THE SOLE PURPOSE OF DISCREDITING THE PRESIDENT. IF IT WAS NOT ALREADY OBVIOUS, THERE ARE MEMBERS HERE WITH THE SINGULAR GOAL IN CONGRESS TO IMPEACH PRESIDENT TRUMP. TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL, THEY WILL WASTE NOT ONLY PRECIOUS TAXPAYER DOLLARS, BUT ALSO TIME IN THIS COMMITTEE AND CONGRESS AS A WHOLE. IN FACT, THEY WILL GO SO FAR AS TO BRING A CONVICTED FELON IN FRONT OF OUR COMMITTEE. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE WHAT YOU SAY, MR. COHEN, AT THIS TIME ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP AS THE TRUTH. BUT YOU’RE ABOUT TO GO TO PRISON FOR LYING. HOW CAN WE BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SAY? THE ANSWER IS WE CAN’T. THIS BEGS THE QUESTION WHY ARE THOSE IN THE MAJORITY HOLDING THIS HEARING? I AM APPALLED. WE COULD BE FOCUSED ON ACTUAL ISSUES THAT ARE FACING AMERICA, LIKE BORDER EXECUTER, NEONATAL ABSTINENCE SYNDROME OR IMPROVING OUR NATION’S CRUMB AMING INFRASTRUCTURE. INSTEAD THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO GRASP AT STRAWS. LET’S TALK ABOUT THIS WITNESS. FROM HIS SENTENCING HEARING IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, JUDGE PAULEY STATED, MR. COHEN PLED GUILTY TO A VERITABLE SMORGASBORD OF WILLFUL CONDUCT, WILLFUL TAX EVASION, MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS TO A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS AND MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS TO CONGRESS. EACH OF THE CRIMES INVOLVED DECEPTION AND EACH APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN MOTIVATED BY PERSONAL GREED AND AMBITION. THIS IS WHO WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TODAY IN OUR COMMITTEE, SOMEONE WHO IS ABOUT TO BE SENT TO PRISON FOR THREE YEARS FOR EVADING HIS TAXES, DECEIVING A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, LYING TO CONGRESS, AMONG OTHER COUNTS. ONE OF THE MOST APPALLING FACTS ABOUT THIS HEARING IS THAT MR. COHEN HAS USED HIS EXPERIENCES WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER HE WAS ELECTED FOR HIS OWN GREED AND PROFIT. I’D LIKE SOME YES OR NO ANSWERS. ISN’T IT TRUE YOU TRIED TO SELL A BOOK ABOUT YOUR TIME WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP ENTITLED “TRUMP REVOLUTION, FROM THE TOWER TO THE WHITE HOUSE, UNDERSTANDING DONALD J. TRUMP”? >>YES, THAT HAPPENED EARLY ON WHEN I WAS STILL EVEN PART I BELIEVE OF THE R.N.C. >>AND THIS BOOK DEAL WHICH YOU HAD WITH HATCHET BOOKS WAS WORTH AROUND $500,000, ISN’T THAT CORRECT? >>NO, MORE, MA’AM. >>HOW MUCH MORE? >>I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 750. >>WOW! MR. COHEN — >>I DID TURN IT DOWN. >>GIVEN THAT YOU CONTINUED TO PROFIT FROM PUBLICLY DISCUSSING YOUR TIME WITH MR. TRUMP, I WORRY THAT THIS COMMITTEE HEARING THE MAJORITY HAS GIVEN YOU WILL ONLY SERVE AS A PLATFORM FOR YOU TO CONTINUE TO LIE AND SENSATIONALIZE AND EXAGGERATE WHEREVER IT SUITS YOU. DO YOU PLAN TO PURSUE ANOTHER BOOK DEAL ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCES? >>YES. >>I WOULD PRESUME THIS BOOK WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YOUR LATEST PITCH, BUT YOUR NEW ANGLE MIGHT PLEASE SOME NEW FANS, ANYTHING TO SELL BOOKS. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE’VE CANCELED HEARINGS ON CHILD SEPARATION AND ON OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE CLOSE TO MY HEART FOR THIS MEDIA CIRCUS. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY FOR A MAN WHO HAS GLADLY EXPLOITED THE NAME OF THE PRESIDENT TO PROMOTE HIS OWN NAME AND FILL HIS OWN POCKETS. IT PAINS ME THAT WE ARE SITTING HERE ADDING ANOTHER CHAPTER TO HIS BOOK. THANK YOU, AND I YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME TO MR. JORDAN. >>I THANK THE GENTLELADY FOR YIELDING. EARLIER, MR. COHEN, THE GENTLELADY FROM CALIFORNIA TALKED ABOUT THIS TAPE — >>I’M SORRY, SIR, I CAN’T HEAR YOU. >>EARLIER THE GENTLELADY FROM CALIFORNIA TALKED ABOUT THIS TAPE, THIS ELEVATOR TAPE THAT YOU SAID DOES NOT EXIST. >>THAT’S CORRECT. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT EXISTS. >>BUT IS IT ALSO YOUR TESTIMONY THAT THE TRUMP TEAM WAS WILLING TO PAY TO MAKE SURE A STORY ABOUT A NON-EXISTENT TAPE NEVER BECAME PUBLIC. >>NO, SIR, THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID. >>THEY WERE WILLING TO STOP A FALSE TAPE? >>WE LOOKED — WE LEARNED THAT THIS TAPE WAS POTENTIALLY ON THE MARKET AND THAT IT EXISTED, AND SO WHAT WE DID IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID WITH ALL THE OTHER CATCH AND KILL, WE LOOKED FOR IT. AND IF IN FACT THAT IT DID EXIST, WE WOULD HAVE TRIED TO STOP IT. THAT’S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE. >>FALSE TAPE — >>I’VE NEVER — >>GOT IT. >>– HEARD IT, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU ONE THING ABOUT MR. TRUMP, MANY THINGS, HE WOULD NEVER, EVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON’T SEE IT. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. COHEN, I’D LIKE TO ASK YOU MORE ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE $130,000 PAYMENT YOU MADE TO STEPHANIE CLIFFORD, THE ADULT FILM ACTRESS KNOWN AS STORMY DANIELS IN ORDER TO PURCHASE HER SILENCE SHORTLY BEFORE THE 2016 ELECTIONS. FIRST, ACCORDING TO DOCUMENTS FILED BY FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK, YOU CREATED A SHELL COMPANY CALLED THE CENTRAL CONSULTANTS, LLC, IS THAT CORRECT? >>IT’S CORRECT. >>AND YOU CREATED THIS COMPANY FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAKING THE PAYMENT TO MS. CLIFFORD, IS THAT CORRECT? >>MOST OTHER THINGS, YES. >>YOU THEN USED A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO FUND THE ACCOUNT IN THE NAME OF ESSENTIAL CONSULTANTS, LLC, IS THAT CORRECT? >>THAT’S CORRECT. >>YOU THEN WIRED $130,000 TO THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING MS. CLIFFORD AT THAT TIME AND WROTE IN THE MEMO FIELD FOR THE WORD RETAINER, IS THAT CORRECT? >>CORRECT. >>CAN YOU TELL US WHY YOU DECIDED TO USE THIS COMPLICATED PROCESS TO MAKE THIS PAYMENT? >>WELL, STARTING AN LLC IS NOT A SOPHISTICATED MEANS. LLC CALL UP A COMPANY, YOU PAY FOR IT AND THEY OPEN IT FOR YOU. AND THE REASON THAT I USED THE HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT AS OPPOSED TO CASH THAT I HAD IN THE SAME EXACT BANK WAS THAT I DIDN’T WANT MY WIFE TO KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE SHE HANDLES ALL OF THE BANKING, AND I DIDN’T WANT HER COMING TO ME AND ASKING ME WHAT WAS THE $130,000 FOR. AND THEN I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE MONEY FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO THE OTHER AND TO PAY IT OFF BECAUSE I DIDN’T WANT TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO HER WHAT THAT PAYMENT WAS ABOUT. I SENT IT TO THE IOLA ACCOUNT, THE INTEREST ON THE LAWYER’S ACCOUNT TO KEEP DAVIDSON CALIFORNIA, MS. DANIELS’ ATTORNEY, HE WOULD HOLD IT IN ESCROW UNTIL SUCH TIME AS I RECEIVED THE EXECUTED N.D.A., NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. >>DID MR. TRUMP KNOW YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO HIDE THE PAYMENT? >>YES. >>WHY NOT JUST USE MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL OR COMPANY BANK ACCOUNT TO MAKE THE PAYMENT? WHY WAS THE DISTRACTION SO IMPORTANT BESIDES YOU NOT WANTING YOUR WIFE TO KNOW? >>WHAT HIS CONCERN WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE A CHECK THAT HAS HIS VERY DISTINCT SIGNATURE ONTO IT, AND EVEN AFTER SHE CASHED THE CHECK, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS MAKE A PHOTOCOPY OF IT AND IT’S KIND OF PROOF POSITIVE ON WHAT EXACTLY TOOK PLACE. AND SO HERE THE GOAL WAS TO KEEP HIM FAR AWAY FROM IT AS POSSIBLE. >>CAN ANYONE CORROBORATE WHAT YOU HAVE SHARED WITH US? >>ABSOLUTELY. >>AND THAT IS? >>KEITH DAVIDSON, ALAN WISELEBURG, PRESIDENT TRUMP. >>NOW, LET’S TALK ABOUT THE REIMBURSEMENT, ACCORDING TO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, AND I QUOTE, AFTER THE COHEN FOR ELECTION-RELATED EXPENSES A COP BANK STATEMENT REFLECTING THE $130,000 WIRE TRANSFER. IS THAT ACCURATE? >>THAT IS ACCURATE. >>DO YOU STILL HAVE A COPY OF THAT BANK STATEMENT? >>YES, IT’S MADE PART OF THE EXHIBIT. >>SO YOU WILL >>THAT IS ACCURATE. >>WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF GROSSING UP THE AMOUNTS ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING WHAT YOU HAD PAID TO MISS CLIFFORD AND OTHERS? >>BECAUSE IF YOU PAY $130,000 AND YOU LIVE IN NEW YORK WHERE YOU HAVE A 50% TAX BRACKET, IN ORDER TO GET YOUR 130 BACK YOU HAVE TO HAVE 260, OTHERWISE IF HE GAVE ME BACK 130, I WOULD ONLY — AND I WOULD BE OUT 65,000. >>WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF SPREADING THE REIMBURSEMENTS TO YOU OVER THE 12 MONTHLY INSTALLMENTS? >>THAT WAS IN ORDER TO HIDE WHAT THE PAYMENT WAS. I OBVIOUSLY WANTED THE MONEY IN ONE SHOT, I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED IT THAT WAY BUT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT ONTO THE BOOKS, ALLEN WEISSELBERG MADE THE DECISION THAT IT SHOULD BE PAID OVER THE 12 MONTHS SO IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A RETAINER. >>DID MR. TRUMP KNOW ABOUT THIS REIMBURSEMENT METHOD? >>HE KNEW ABOUT EVERYTHING, YES. >>THANK YOU, MR. COHEN. SO THE PRESIDENT KNEW NOT ONLY ABOUT THE PAYMENTS, WE HELPED HIDE THE PAYMENTS AND REIMBURSEMENTS TO YOU? >>YES, EVERYTHING HAD TO GO THROUGH MR. TRUMP AND APPROVED BY MR. TRUMP. >>AND NOW YOU’RE GOING TO PRISON AND HE’S OUT? >>AND I AM GOING TO PRISON, YES, MA’AM. >>I YIELD BACK. >>YES, I YIELD MY TIME. >>EARLIER YOU SAID — I’M ASSUMING NEW YORK’S A ONE PARTY CONSENT STATE, ONE PERSON CAN RECORD THE OTHER WITHOUT IT BEING ILLEGAL? >>CORRECT. >>BUT YOU ALSO WERE A MEMBER OF THE NEW YORK BAR? >>I WAS, YES. >>HOW WOULD YOU RATE RECORDING CLIENTS IN THE ETHICAL REALM OF BEING A LAWYER? >>IT’S NOT ILLEGAL. >>I’M NOT ASKING IF IT’S ILLEGAL. I’M ASKING IF IT’S ETHICAL. >>WE WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE THAT TO THE JUDGMENT OF THE BAR ASSOCIATION. >>I THINK EVERY LAWYER KNOWS WHERE IT IS IN THE ETHICAL STANDARDS. >>WHEN YOU SAID YOU HAD 100 TAPES. WERE ANY OF THOSE TAPES OF OTHER CLIENTS? >>YES. >>I THINK THIS IS AMAZING. DID ANY OF THEM WAIVE PRIVILEGE? >>NO. >>SO FIVE MINUTES AGO IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR HEARING ON OVERSIGHT, YOU JUST IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED THAT YOU WOULD HAND OVER TAPES TO THIS COMMITTEE WITHOUT ANY OF YOUR PREVIOUS CLIENTS WAIVING PRIVILEGE? >>I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE IN POSSESSION OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE IN THE HANDS OF ALL OF THE AGENCIES — >>WHOEVER ELSE IS IN CHARGE OF THOSE DOCUMENTS IS NOT MY CONCERN. MY CONCERN IS I KNOW LAWYERS THAT WOULD GO TO JAIL BEFORE THEY WOULD VIOLENT ATTORNEY- CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND IN A MANNER OF A SECOND YOU JUST SAID ABSOLUTELY, I WILL TURN THOSE OVER. >>JUST TRYING TO COOPERATE, SIR. >>AT THE EXPENSE OF CLIENTS WHO HAVE NEVER WAIVED PRIVILEGE? >>THEY ARE ALREADY IN THE HANDS OF ALL OF THE AGENCIES. I DIDN’T ASK PEOPLE — >>WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT DETERMINES TO DO WITH SOMETHING AND WHAT YOU DETERMINE TO DO WITH SOMETHING, CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND ATTORNEY TRUST ACCOUNTS ARE ABOUT THE TWO MOST SACRED THINGS YOU CAN EVER DO IN YOUR ENTIRE CAREER OF A LAWYER AND IN A MATTER OF SECOND — >>THE TAPE WITH MR. TRUMP — >>COMPLETELY — >>RUDY GIULIANI WAIVED THE PRIVILEGE. >>I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI. I’M TALKING ABOUT YOU. THIS IS — I DON’T KNOW WHO IS ON THOSE TAPES. ONLY YOU KNOW WHO IS ON THOSE TAPES. THERE ARE 100 OF THEM. >>THE OTHER SUBJECT TO ONGOING. >>MY POINT IS IN A MATTER OF A SECOND, ONE SECOND, YOU TOOK NO — ABSOLUTELY NO CALCULATION OF YOUR ROLE AS THOSE CLIENTS’ COUNSELOR, THE ROLE THAT PLAYS IN PRIVACY AND THE ROLE THAT PLAYS SOLEMN WHEN YOU — YOU JUST IMMEDIATELY SAID IF IT HELPS ME OUT IN FRONT OF TV, YES, ABSOLUTELY, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU CAN HAVE THAT. AND I THINK — THAT GOES INTO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NEXT BRIEFLY. WE TALK ABOUT THESE TAX — THESE INDICTMENTS ON TAX FRAUD AND BANK FRAUD AS IF THEY ARE ISOLATED INCIDENTS. BUT THEY ARE NOT ISOLATED INCIDENTS OF BAD JUDGMENT. THESE WERE INTRICATE, ELABORATE LIES THAT CREATED — THAT NEEDED TO BE HELD WITH CONSTANT — I MEAN, JUST CONSTANT DECEPTIONS OF BANKS, BUSINESSES, ASSOCIATES, ACCOUNTANTS, POTENTIALLY YOUR FAMILY. YOU RECEIVED OVER 2.4 MILLION IN PERSONAL LOANS FROM TAXI MEDALLION COMPANY ONE AND THOSE WERE OF LOAN PAYMENTS FOR A BUSINESS LOAN, CORRECT? >>NO, SIR. >>YOU WEREN’T RECEIVING — >>THOSE — >>OKAY. GO AHEAD. >>THOSE WERE PAYMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT WAS OPERATING THE MEDALLIONS. >>TO YOU? >>TO ME. >>AND THOSE WERE DEPOSITED INTO YOUR PERSONAL ACCOUNT OR IN SOME INSTANCES YOUR WIFE’S ACCOUNT? >>IT WAS DEPOSITED INTO THE JOINT CHECKING ACCOUNT OF MY WIFE AND I THAT’S LOCATED AT THE BASE OF THE BUILDING THAT WE RESIDE IN. >>WERE THOSE DISCLOSED ON YOUR TAX RETURNS? >>THEY WERE NOT. >>WHEN YOUR ACCOUNTANT TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THOSE DEPOSITS, YOU TOLD HIM YOU WOULDN’T PAY FOR A MEMO THAT YOU DIDN’T ASK TO BE DONE? >>THAT’S INACCURATE. >>SO THE — >>THAT’S — >>THE SENTENCING COURT IN NEW YORK HAS THAT WRONG? >>OKAY. I DON’T KNOW WHAT MR. GETSLE WROTE, MY ACCOUNTANT. THERE ARE A SERIES OF ISSUES REGARDING HIS MEMO, INCLUDING THE FACT DIRECTED IN AN EARLIER MEMO TO COMMIT FRAUD BUT PUTTING ALL THAT ASIDE WITH JEFF GETSLE, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS I PLED GUILTY AND I MADE MY MISTAKE AND I’M GOING, AS I’VE SAID 100 TIMES NOW — I’M NOT SURE WHY THIS SINGULAR ATTACK ON MY TAXES, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THEM, I’M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHOW YOU TO YOU — >>20 MINUTES, I’VE GOT PLENTY OF OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. >>I’M GOING TO RECLAIM MY TIME. >>IS NOT 100% ACCURATE. >>I’M — >>THAT’S EXACTLY WHY WHEN IT COMES TO THE CREDIBILITY WHY I ASKED MR. DAVIS, MR. MONACO TO PLEASE, LET’S FIGURE OUT — >>THAT’S MY POINT WITH THE CREDIBILITY SO THAT I UNDERSTAND, THESE ARE NOT ISOLATED INCIDENTS OF ATTACK. THESE WERE CONSTANT DECEPTIONS WHETHER IT’S ROLLING OVER A $20 MILLION LINE OF CREDIT TO A $14 MILLION CREDIT, YOU WENT THROUGH GREAT LENGTHS TO CONCEAL THAT FROM ONE BANK WHILE AT THE SAME TIME YOU ARE REDUCING YOUR NET INCOME TO ANOTHER BANK. THESE AREN’T THINGS THAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 21 OF 2018, JANUARY 1 OF 2015. THESE WERE CONSTANTLY INVOLVED — MY QUESTION IS, WAS IT EXHAUSTING KEEPING TRACK OF ALL THE LIES YOU WERE TELLING THESE PEOPLE? >>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. >>THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME IS OVER. >>THANK YOU FOR DISCUSSING THE NARRATIVE. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, GOOD LUCK ON YOUR ROAD TO REDEMPTION. >>THANK YOU. IT’S GOING TO BE A LONG WAY. >>THE OPPOSITE OF THAT IS PER EDITION, I REMEMBER SO THAT’S PARTICULARLY HARD ON YOUR CHILDREN SO I WISH YOU WELL AND YOUR FAMILY WELL. AS YOU DESCRIBE TO YOUR ROAD HERE, MR. COOPER ASKED YOU WHEN THE MOMENT WAS OR MOMENTS WHEN YOU DECIDED YOU NEEDED A CHANGE. IT STRIKES ME THERE IS A TRANSITION THAT YOU HAVE ILLUMINATED HERE. YOUR PERIOD OF TIME, THE 10 YEARS WORKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO ADMIRED AS A DEVELOPER AND THEN WHEN CHARLOTTESVILLE HAPPENED AND QUITE FRANKLY WHEN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL CALLED YOU IN, OBVIOUSLY, WAS A KEY PART OF IT OR YOU WOULDN’T BE HERE. BUT IN BETWEEN PART I FIND REALLY INTERESTING AND TROUBLING, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF APPEARANCES AND CONFIDENCE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD HAVE IN THIS INSTITUTION AND DEMOCRACY, QUITE FRANKLY. SO DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT TWO SPECIFIC, IF WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME. FIRST THE TRUMP TOWER. SO YOU WERE NEGOTIATING FOR THIS, AS YOU SAID, IT WAS TO BE THE TALLEST BUILDING IN EUROPE. IN YOUR GUILTY PLEA WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, YOU QUOTE, SAY — IT QUOTES, COHEN ASKED INDIVIDUAL ONE — IS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP? >>YES. >>OKAY. ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PRESIDENT TRUMP TRAVELING TO RUSSIA IN CONNECTION WITH THE MOSCOW PROJECT AND ASKED A SENIOR CAMPAIGN OFFICIAL ABOUT POTENTIAL BUSINESSES — BUSINESS TRAVEL TO RUSSIA. WHEN DID THIS CONVERSATION HAPPEN? DO YOU RECALL? >>EARLY ON IN THE CAMPAIGN. >>AND WHO WAS THE CAMPAIGN OFFICIAL? >>COREY LEWANDOWSKI? >>WHAT DID YOU DISCUSS IN THIS MEETING? >>POSSIBILITY OF WHICH DATES THAT MR. TRUMP WOULD HAVE AVAILABILITY IF IN FACT THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO OVER TO RUSSIA TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECT. UNFORTUNATELY, IT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION BECAUSE WE WERE NEVER SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE FIRST PRONG OF WHAT I NEEDED, WHICH WAS OWNERSHIP OR CONTROL OVER PIECE OF PROPERTY AND UNTIL SUCH TIME, THERE WAS NO REASON TO COME UP WITH A DATE. BUT WHEN I FIRST RECEIVED THE INFORMATION REQUEST TO GO TO RUSSIA, WHAT I DECIDED TO DO IS SPOKE TO MR. TRUMP ABOUT IT. HE TOLD ME TO SPEAK TO COREY AND SEE WHAT DATES MIGHT BE AVAILABLE IF I GOT THE INFORMATION I NEEDED. >>SO IT STOPPED BECAUSE APPEARANCES OR DID IT STOP BECAUSE PARTIES DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE IT? >>I’M SO SORRY. I DON’T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. >>WHY DID THE PURSUIT OF THE TRUMP TOWER THAT MR. TRUMP HAS NOW SAID OF COURSE HE PURSUED IT BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE MIGHT BE GOING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS, WHY WAS THE REASON THAT THE DEAL STOPPED? >>BECAUSE HE WON THE PRESIDENCY. >>IN THAT INTERIM PERIOD OF TIME YOU MUST ADMIT IT LOOKS TROUBLING THAT NOW WE KNOW WHAT FOREIGN INFLUENE WAS ATTEMPTING TO DO, WHETHER THERE WAS COLLUSION OR NOT, IT CERTAINLY APPEARS TROUBLING THAT YOU OR MR. TRUMP WAS PART OF THIS NEGOTIATION AND AT THE SAME TIME WHAT WE KNOW PERHAPS SEPARATELY THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE ENGAGED IN OUR ELECTION? >>I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THEM BEING ENGAGED IN THE ELECTION. I CAN ONLY TALK TO MYSELF. HERE I WOULD SAY TO MR. TRUMP IN RESPONSE TO HIS QUESTION, WHAT’S GOING ON WITH RUSSIA, IS I’M STILL WAITING FOR DOCUMENTS AND THEN THAT NIGHT AT A RALLY HE WOULD TURN AROUND AND DO HIS BATTLE CRY OF NO RUSSIA, NO COLLUSION, NO INVOLVEMENT, WHICH HUNT. >>ON A SEPARATE SUBJECT BUT SOMEWHAT RELATED, ON JANUARY 17 OF THIS YEAR, THE “WALL STREET JOURNAL” PUBLISHED A STORY STATING THAT YOU HIRED JOHN GAUGER, THE OWNER OF A CONSULTING COMPANY TO RIG AT LEAST TWO ONLINE POLLS RELATED TO DONALD TRUMP. DID YOU HIRE HIM? >>THOSE WERE BACK IN, I BELIEVE, 2015. >>2014. >>2014. >>2014. SO YOU DID HIRE HIM? >>YES, I SPOKE WITH MR. GAWKER ABOUT MANIPULATING THESE ONLINE POLLS. >>DID HE USE BOTS TO MANIPULATE THE POLLS? >>HE USED ALGORITHMS AND IF THAT INCLUDES BOTS, YES. >>THAT’S ACCURATE. DID THE PRESIDENT HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT? >>YES. >>IN DIRECTING YOU TO DO THIS? >>YES. >>WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF THE POLL? >>EXACTLY WHERE WE WANTED THEM TO BE, IN THE CNBC POLL WE CAME IN AT NUMBER 9 AND THE DREDGE REPORT, HE WAS TOP OF THE DREDGE REPORT AS WELL, POLL. THE CNBC POLL WAS CALLED THE CONTENDERS AND IT WAS TOP 250 PEOPLE THAT THEY NAMED AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE TOP 10 MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE. >>LET ME FINISH WITH, EARLIER TODAY YOU DIRECTED A COMMENT TO MY COLLEAGUES AND I’M QUOTING. YOU SAID THE MORE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW MR. TRUMP, THE MORE PEOPLE WILL BE WHERE I AM. IS IT YOUR EXPECTATION THAT PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION WILL END UP WHERE YOU ARE? >>SADLY IF THEY FOLLOW BLINDLY LIKE I HAVE, THE THINK THE ANSWER IS YES. >>THANK YOU. >>TIME EXPIRED. >>WHEN I RAN FOR CONGRESS I TALKED ABOUT HOW WASHINGTON WAS BROKEN BUT I CERTAINLY DID NOT EXPECT A LEVEL OF POLITICAL GAMEMANSSHIP, PARTISANSHIP AND POLICIES THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE LIVES OF AMERICANS THAT I AM WITNESSING TODAY. IT IS DISAPPOINTING TO ME THAT THIS COMMITTEE AND THIS CHAIRMAN SPENT OUR TIME IN QUESTIONING AN INDIVIDUAL WITH ZERO PROBATIVE VALUE AND ZERO CREDIBILITY INSTEAD OF FOCUSING OUR TIME OF IMPROVING THE LIVES OF AMERICANS, CREATING JOBS OR STREAMLINING THE FUNCTION OF OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YET HERE WE ARE TAKING TESTIMONY FROM A CONVICTED LIAR AND NOT SOMEONE WHO HAS JUST LIED TO HIS FAMILY OR FRIENDS BUT TESTIMONY FROM AN INDIVIDUAL WHO DELIBERATELY AND PREMEDITATEDLY LIED TO THIS BODY. HE LIED TO CONGRESS THROUGH FALSE STATEMENTS AND WRITTEN STATEMENTS. HE LIED TO CONGRESS THROUGH HIS TESTIMONY. HE THEN AMPLIFIED HIS FALSE STATEMENTS BY RELEASING AND REPEATING HIS LIES TO THE PUBLIC INCLUDING THE OTHER POTENTIAL WITNESSES. YET NOW WE ON THIS COMMITTEE AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE EXPECTED TO BELIEVE MR. COHEN’S TESTIMONY. I DON’T KNOW A JUROR IN AMERICA THAT WOULD BELIEVE ANYTHING MR. COHEN SAYS GIVEN HIS PAST ACTIONS AND LIES. MR. COHEN, YOU STOOD BEFORE MULTIPLE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES BEFORE TODAY AND RAISED YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWORE AN OATH TO BE HONEST; IS THAT CORRECT? >>THAT IS CORRECT. >>AND YOU LIED TO THOSE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES; IS THAT CORRECT? >>PREVIOUSLY? >>CORRECT. >>YES, SIR. >>YOU STATED THAT DONALD TRUMP NEVER DIRECTED YOU TO LIE TO CONGRESS; IS THAT CORRECT? >>THAT’S CORRECT. >>THEREFORE YOU LIED TO CONGRESS ON YOUR OWN ACCORD AND THEN ADMITTED TO LYING TO CONGRESS, CORRECT?>>I HAVE ALREADY STATED MY PEACE ON THAT. I KNEW WHAT HE WANTED ME TO DO. I WAS STAYING TO PARTY LINE. >>HE NEVER DIRECTED TO LIE TO CONGRESS? >>HE DID NOT USE THOSE WORDS, NO. >>DID YOU PAYMENTS MADE TO YOU BY MR. TRUMP, CORRECT? >>AMONGST OTHER THINGS, YES. >>YET OTHER THAN YOUR TESTIMONY HERE TODAY, THERE’S ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT THOSE SPECIFIC PAYMENTS WERE FOR THOSE SPECIFIC PURPOSES; IS THAT CORRECT?>>IT’S MY TESTIMONY THAT THE CHECK I PRODUCED AS PART OF THIS TESTIMONY FOR 35,000 AND THEN THE SECOND CHECK THAT’S SIGNED BY ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND DON TRUMP, JR. WERE TWO CHECKS OUT OF THE 11 THAT WERE MEANT FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS. >>SO IN YOUR TESTIMONY ON PAGE 13 YOU CLAIM, AND I QUOTE, MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO USE MY OWN PERSONAL FUNDS FROM A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO AVOID ANY MONEY BEING TRACKED BACK TO HIM THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT HIS CAMPAIGN. DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OF THIS DIRECTION?>>JUST THE PAYMENT, SIR. >>SO NO E-MAIL? >>MR. TRUMP DOES NOT HAVE E- MAIL. >>NO RECORDING. >>NO. >>NO TEXT MESSAGE? >>MR. TRUMP DOESN’T TEXT MESSAGE. >>NO EVIDENCE OTHER THAN YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY THAT THAT’S WHAT THE PAYMENT FOR? >>AND I FACT THAT I PAID ON HIS BEHALF AT HIS DIRECTION THE MONEY TO KEITH DAVIDSON’S IOLA ACCOUNT. YOU’RE RIGHT, THERE’S NO OTHER DOCUMENTATION I HAVE. >>SO NOTHING THAT YOU PRODUCED AS PART OF YOUR EXHIBITS PROVE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP DIRECTED YOU IN ANY WAY TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT? >>I DON’T EVEN KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT, SIR. >>IT’S SIMPLE. THERE’S NOTHING IN THE EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS OR THE EXHIBITS YOU PROVIDED TODAY THAT SHOW THAT TRUMP DIRECTED YOU TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS? >>OTHER THAN THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN SEIZED BY GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES AS WILDLY SHOWN, I DON’T BELIEVE THERE’S ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT BELIEVES I JUST DECIDED TO PAY $130,000 ON HIS BEHALF. >>YOU WERE HIS ATTORNEY FOR OVER 10 YEARS. >>THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT I PAY $130,000 TO — >>IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT HE WASN’T PAYING YOU FOR REPRESENTATION OF COUNCIL. >>OKAY. >>HOW DID PRESIDENT TRUMP EVEN KNOW YOU HAVE A HELOC? >>I’M SO SORRY? >>HOW DID PRESIDENT TRUMP KNOW YOU HAD A HELOC? >>BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED IT. BECAUSE I TOLD HIM THE SAME THING THAT I DIDN’T WANT MY WIFE TO KNOW ABOUT IT. ONE ADDITIONAL, RUDY GIULIANI HIMSELF CAME OUT AND EXPRESSED THAT MR. TRUMP REIMBURSED ME FOR THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT TO PAY STORMY DANIELS. >>AND DID YOU TELL CHRIS COMA THAT YOU HAD NO ACCESS TO MR. TRUMP DURING OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER OF 2016? >>I’M SORRY. I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO? >>YOUR INTERVIEW WITH CHRIS COMO. >>I WOULD NEED TO SEE THE DOCUMENT. >>DID YOU TELL CHRIS THAT — >>I WAS PROTECTING MR. TRUMP. >>AND YOU TOLD HIM THAT YOU MADE THESE PAYMENTS WITHOUT TELLING HIM? >>WHEN I SAID THAT — IF THAT’S WHAT I SAID TO CHRIS COMO, YES, THAT WAS MY LINE. >>AND IF THIS UNSUPPORTED CLAIM WAS TRUE IT WOULD BE PART OF AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION OF EVIDENCE OF A CRIME AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WOULD NOT LET YOU DISCUSS IT DURING YOUR TESTIMONY HERE TODAY; IS THAT CORRECT? >>I DON’T KNOW. >>TIME EXPIRED. DID YOU ANSWER? >>YES, I DID WANT TO SAY ONE LAST THING. NOT ONLY DID I LIE WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, I LIED TO THE FIRST LADY. WHEN THE PRESIDENT CALLED ME I WAS SITTING IN A CAR WITH A FRIEND OF MINE AND HE HAD ME SPEAK TO HER AND EXPLAIN TO THE FIRST LADY, SO THE ANSWER IS THERE — YOU ARE NOT ACCURATE AND I DON’T FEEL GOOD ABOUT ANY OF THIS AND THIS WAS NOT MY INTENTION. >>MISS LAWRENCE. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD AS BEING A BLACK AMERICAN AND HAVING ENDURED THE PUBLIC COMMENTS OF RACISM FROM THE SITTING PRESIDENT AS BEING A BLACK PERSON I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT’S BEING SAID IN PRIVATE AND TO PROP UP ONE MEMBER OF OUR ENTIRE RACE OF BLACK PEOPLE AND SAY THAT THAT NULLIFIES THAT IT’S TOTALLY INSULTING AND IN THIS ENVIRONMENT OF EXPECTING A PRESIDENT TO BE INCLUSIVE AND TO LOOK AT HIS ADMINISTRATION SPEAKS VOLUMES SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS INTIMIDATION OF WITNESS. MR. COHEN, YOU WERE INITIALLY SCHEDULED TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ON FEBRUARY 7th, BUT YOUR LEGAL TEAM DELAYED YOUR TESTIMONY, QUOTING, ONGOING THREATS AGAINST YOUR FAMILY FROM THE PRESIDENT AND ATTORNEY GIULIANI; IS THAT CORRECT? >>YES, MA’AM. >>AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 29th, AFTER YOU ADMITTED THAT THE PRESIDENT’S NEGOTIATIONS OVER A REAL ESTATE PROJECT IN RUSSIA CONTINUE WELL THROUGH THE SUMMER BEFORE THE 2016 ELECTION, PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED YOU, QUOTE, A WEAK PERSON AND ACCUSED YOU OF LYING. AND THEN ON DECEMBER 16th, 2018, AFTER YOU DISCLOSED THAT IT WAS THE PRESIDENT WHO DIRECTED YOU TO ARRANGE HUSH MONEY PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS AND KAREN McDOUGAL TO CONCEAL HIS EXTRAMAITAL AFFAIRS, HE CALLED YOU, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, A RAT. MR. COHEN, WHY DO YOU FEEL OR BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS REPEATEDLY ATTACKING YOU, YOU ARE STATING THAT YOU FEEL INTIMIDATED ASKING US TO PROTECT YOU, FOLLOWING YOUR COOPERATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. >>WHEN YOU HAVE ACCESS TO 60 PLUS MILLION PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW YOU ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY IN WHICH TO SPARK SOME ACTION BY INDIVIDUALS THAT FOLLOW HIM AND FROM HIS OWN WORDS THAT HE CAN WALK DOWN FIFTH AVENUE, SHOOT SOMEONE AND GET AWAY WITH IT, IT’S NEVER COMFORTABLE WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES — >>WHAT DO YOU THINK HE CAN DO TO YOU? >>I LOT AND IT’S NOT JUST HIM. IT’S THOSE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW HIM AND HIS RHETORIC. >>WHAT IS A LOT? >>I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T WALK WITH MY WIFE IF WE GO TO A RESTAURANT OR WE GO SOMEWHERE. I DON’T WALK WITH MY CHILDREN. I MAKE THEM GO BEFORE ME BECAUSE I HAVE FEAR AND IT’S THE SAME FEAR THAT I HAD BEFORE WHEN HE INITIALLY DECIDED TO DROP THAT TWEET IN MY CELL PHONE, I RECEIVED SOME — I’M SURE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND, I RECEIVED SOME TWEETS, I RECEIVED SOME FACEBOOK MESSENGER, ALL SORTS OF SOCIAL MEDIA ATTACKS ON ME, WHETHER IT’S A PRIVATE DIRECT MESSAGE THAT I’VE HAD TO TURN OVER TO SECRET SERVICE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MOST VIAL, DISGUSTING STATEMENTS THAT ANYONE CAN EVER RECEIVE AND WHEN IT STARTS TO AFFECT YOUR CHILDREN, THAT’S WHEN IT REALLY AFFECTS YOU. >>ON JANUARY 20 OF 2019, MR. GIULIANI CALLED YOUR FATHER-IN- LAW, QUOTE, A CRIMINAL, AND SAID THAT HE MAY HAVE TIES TO ORGANIZED CRIME. MR. COHEN, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT AND MR. GIULIANI PUBLICLY TARGETED YOUR FATHER- IN-LAW AS AN EFFORT TO INTIMIDATE YOU? CAN YOU ELABORATE, WHY ARE YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW BEING PULLED INTO THIS? >>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. MY FATHER-IN-LAW WAS IN THE CLOTHING BUSINESS, CAME TO THIS COUNTRY IN 1972, 73, THE EXPULSION OF JEWS FROM THE UKRAINE. HE CAME HERE TO THIS COUNTRY, HE WORKED HARD AND HE’S NOW ENJOYING HIS RETIREMENT, NEVER IN MY LIFE DID I THINK THAT MR. TRUMP WOULD DO SOMETHING SO DISGRACEFUL AND HE’S ATTACKING HIM BECAUSE HE KNOWS I CARE ABOUT MY FAMILY AND TO HURT ME, HE’S TRYING TO HURT THEM. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, MY FATHER- IN-LAW’S BIGGEST INVESTMENTS HAPPEN TO BE IN A TRUMP úPROPER SO IT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. >>I WANT TO BE CLEAR. ANY EFFORTS TO PREVENT A WITNESS FROM TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF CONGRESS IS AGAINST THE LAW. I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR ABOUT THAT. AND AS A CHAIRMAN HAS SAID RETALIATING AGAINST WITNESSES AND THREATENING THEIR FAMILIES AND MEMBERS IS A TEXTBOOK MOB TACTIC THAT DOES NOT BENEFIT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OR THIS COUNTRY AND I WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD, THIS HEARING IS NOT ABOUT DISCREDITING THE PRESIDENT. IT’S ABOUT THE OVAL OFFICE THAT WE TAKE AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES AND TO MEET THE LAWS AND THE POLICIES OF THIS COUNTRY TO SERVE. THANK YOU AND I YIELD BACK. >>MR. ROY. >>MR. COHEN, I TOO WANT TO OFFER MY HEARTFELT THOUGHTS FOR YOUR FAMILY AND WHAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH. I KNOW IT’S TOUGH AND FOR YOUR TIME HERE TODAY. I KNOW IT’S TOUGH FOR YOU TO STAND HERE IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE. THE CHAIRMAN SUGGESTED YOU VOLUNTEERED TO COME HERE. YOU TESTIFIED THAT YOU WERE ASKED TO COME HERE. IS IT CORRECT YOU WERE ASKED TO COME HERE? YES OR NO? >>YES. >>THE COMBINED TOTAL OF THE CRIMES FOR WHICH YOU ARE SENTENCED WOULD BRING A MAXIMUM OF 70 YEARS, YES OR NO? >>YES. >>YET YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON FOR THREE YEARS, YES OR NO? >>YES. >>THE PROSECUTORS OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK SAY THE SECURE LOANS FALSELY UNDERSTATEMENTED THE AMOUNT OF DEBT HE WAS CARRYING AND EMITTED — LEND ON INCOMPLETE INFORMATION. YOU TOLD MY COLLEAGUE HERE TODAY THAT YOU DID NOT COMMIT BANK FRAUD. NOT PARSING DIFFERENT STATUTES, ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT GUILTY OF MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS TO A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION? YES OR NO? >>YES, I PLED GUILTY. >>YOU SAID CLEARLY TO MR. CLOUD AND MR. JORDAN THAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK LAWYERS WERE BEING UNTRUTHFUL AND CHARACTERIZING YOUR DESIRE TO WORK IN THE ADMINISTRATION. DO YOU SAY AGAIN THAT THE LAWYERS OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ARE BEING UNTRUTHFUL IN MAKING THAT CHARACTERITION? YES OR NO? >>I’M SAYING THAT’S NOT ACCURATE. >>SO YOU’RE SAYING THEY ARE BEING UNTRUTHFUL? >>I’M NOT USING THE WORD UNTRUTHFUL. THAT’S YOURS. I’M SAYING THAT’S ANT ACCURATE. I DID NOT WANT A ROLE OR TITLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION. GOT THE TITLE THAT I WANTED. >>I’M SURE THE LAWYERS THAT IS THE SDNY APPRECIATE THAT DISTINCTION. YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO PRAGUE OR THE CZECH REPUBLIC, DO YOU — >>YES, I DO. >>PHONE CALL WITH MR. COHEN THAT MR. COHEN SAID, QUOTE, I HAVEN’T BEEN TO PRAGUE — QUESTION, OFFERED TO THE COMMITTEE TAPED INFORMATION INVOLVING CLIENTS WITH THE BAD OF AN EYE. DO YOU STAND BEHIND THAT, YES OR NO. >>I’M SORRY. YOU SAID IT SO FAST. >>YOU AS MY FRIEND MR. ARMSTRONG OFFERED TO THIS COMMITTEE TAPED INFORMATION INVOLVING YOUR CLIENTS WITH A BAT OF AN EYE. DO YOU STAND BEHIND THAT OFFER? >>IF THE CHAIRMAN ASKS ME, I’LL TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT NOW AND IT’S NOT A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE, YES, I WILL TURN IT OVER. >>YOU MISLED THIS COMMITTEE EVEN TODAY IN A WRITTEN SUBMISSION THAT CONTRADICTED YOUR TESTIMONY. YOU HAVE SUGGESTED YOU ARE GOING TO REVIEW IT. ARE YOU GOING TO REVIEW IT IN THE NEXT BREAK TO CORRECT THE RECORD? >>YES. >>YOU HELPED OUT THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN OR WERE INVOLVED IN THE CAMPAIGN AS A REPRESENTATIVE, AS A SPOKE MAN, EVEN IN YOUR WORDS TODAY IT WAS YOUR IDEA FOR THE CAMPAIGN DATING BACK TO 2011. IS THAT ACCURATE? >>YES. >>2011 IS A YEAR THAT STICKS IN MY HEAD. FOR IT’S THE YEAR MY DAUGHTER WAS BORN AND IT WAS THE YEAR I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER. I WAS NOT THEN PUSHING FOR DONALD TRUMP TO BE PRESIDENT. I WAS FIGHTING CANCER. EVEN IN 2016 I WAS PUBLICLY BACKING A CERTAIN REPUBLICAN FROM TEXAS, SOME MIGHT GUESS WHO IT WAS BUT YOU, YOU WERE ALL IN. AND YOU EITHER WANTED DONALD TRUMP TO BE YOUR PRESIDENT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY OR YOU DID IT FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL ADVANCEMENT OR BOTH. SORT OF THE TWO OPTIONS. REAL AMERICANS IN MY DISTRICT AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY WANTED THE PRESIDENT TO BE PRESIDENT NOT IN ANY WAY BECAUSE HE’S PERFECT, BUT, RATHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THIS HOLE. THEY SUPPORTED THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THE GAMES THAT WE ARE SEEING HERE TODAY. THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF POLITICIANS WHO REFUSE TO SECURE THE BORDER, BALANCE OUR BUDGET, RESTORE HEALTHCARE FREEDOM AND THEN GET OUT OF THEIR WAY SO THEY CAN LEAD THEIR LIFE. THEY ARE MYSTIFIED — WHICH MEAN WE HAVE BLOWN THROUGH $450 MILLION DURING THIS CHARADE IN AMASSING DEBT. THEY ARE SICK AND — THAT ENDANGERS AMERICAN CITIZENS IN THE MIGRANTS WHO SEEK TO COME HERE. JUST YESTERDAY IN EAGLE PASS, TEXAS, BORDER PATROL AGENTS ARRESTED A GANG MEMBER. IN McALLEN, TEXAS, FEDERAL AUTHORITIES ARE OFFERING A REWARD FOR A MAN TIED TO MEXICO’S GULF CARTEL FOR HIS ALLEGED — TEXAS BORDER FORCED BRIEF CLOSURE OF THE LAREDO PORT, THIS IS THIS WEEK. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE IGNORING. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHILE WE ENGAGE IN THIS CHARADE. THIS IS NOT WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SENT US HERE TO DO. THIS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR OUR COUNTRY. I TALKED TO MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE IN TEXAS JUST BEFORE THE HEARING. I SAID, DON’T BOTHER WATCHING. SHE SAID AS I ROUGHLY EXPECTED, DON’T WORRY, I WON’T. I HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO. AND SHE, LIKE THE REST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, HAVE A HECK OF A LOT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO THAN TO WATCH THIS. I SAID, AMEN, DARLING. I CAN’T HELP BUT THINK THAT WAS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE THINKING WHILE WATCHING THIS UNBELIEVABLE CIRCUS. I YIELD BACK. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I’VE GOT A LOT TO DO AS WELL. I’VE GOT HOUSES AND SCHOOLS TO HELP REBUILD IN THE VIRGIN ISLANDS, EXPANSION OF VOTING RIGHTS, EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM. THANK GOD THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME SO WE ARE HERE WITH YOU RIGHT NOW. MR. COHEN, YOU LEARNED WELL IN THE 10 YEARS THAT YOU WORKED WITH DONALD TRUMP. WHAT WAS YOUR POSITION WITH THE G.O.P. IN THE UP TO EIGHT MONTHS AGO? >>I WAS VICE CHAIR OF THE RNC FINANCE COMMITTEE. >>YOU WERE VICE CHAIR OF THE FINANCE OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE, RIGHT? >>CORRECT. I DO WANT TO SAY I WAS A DEMOCRAT UNTIL STEVE WYNN FOUND OUT I WAS A DEMOCRAT AND ASKED ME TO SWITCH PARTIES. >>I ONLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. ON BEHALF OF THE MANY MEMBERS HERE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED TO YOUR FAMILY OUR APOLOGIES TO YOUR FAMILY, BUT I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE INAPPROPRIATE COMMENTS AN TWEETS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS BODY AND AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR AND AS FORMER COUNSEL ON HOUSE ETHICS, I THINK THE VERY LEAST THERE SHOULD BE A REFERRAL TO THE ETHICS COMMUNITY OF WITNESS INTIMIDATION AND TAMPERING UNDER USC1512 OF MY COLLEAGUE MATT GATES AND MAY BE POSSIBLY HIM BEING REFERRED FOR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. SO I WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. ON MAY 2nd, 2018, THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY, RUDY GIULIANI, WHO WAS HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEY LIKE YOU, APPEARED ON FOX NEWS AND REFERRED TO THE PRESIDENT’S REIMBURSEMENT TO YOU FOR THE 130 PAYMENT FOR STEPHANIE CLIFFORD AS PART OF A RETAINER AND ON MAY 3rd, 2018, 1 DAY AFTER MR. GIULIANI’S APPEARANCE, THE PRESIDENT TWEETED AND I QUOTE, MR. COHEN, AN ATTORNEY, RECEIVED A MONTHLY RETAINER NOT FROM THE CAMPAIGN AND HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CAMPAIGN FROM WHICH HE ENTERED INTO THROUGH REIMBURSEMENT, A PRIVATE CONTRACT BETWEEN TWO PARTIES KNOWN AS A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT OR NDA. THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS, WHICH IS THE AGENCY WHICH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH RESPONSIBILITY OVER WHAT THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO REPORT PUBLICLY ABOUT HIS ASSETS WAS PUZZLED BY THIS. IT SEEMS, AND THEY WERE SKEPTICAL THAT A RETAINER WAS ACTUALLY IN PLACE AND ASKED TO SEE THE RETAINER AGREEMENT ON CALL OF MAY 8th WITH THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL COUNCIL, SHERRY DILLON, REPLIED SHE WOULD AND I QUOTE, NOT PERMIT OGE STAFF TO READ THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT IS PRIVILEGED. MISS DYLANN WOULD NOT EVEN LET OGE STAFF TO COME TO HER OFFICE TO REVIEW THE RETAINER AGREEMENT. IN A COURT FILING FEDERAL PROSECUTORS STATED THAT IN TRUTH AND IN FACT THERE WAS NO SUCH RETAINER AGREEMENT. MR. COHEN, DID YOU EVER HAVE A RETAINER AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH THE PRESIDENT FOR THE PAYMENT TO MISS CLIFFORD? >>NO. >>SO WAS MR. GIULIANI’S STATEMENT INACCURATE? >>YES. >>WAS MISS DYLANN’S STATEMENT ABOUT THE RETAINER AGREEMENT INACCURATE? >>I’M SORRY. MISS DYLANN STATEMENT IS? >>DID THE RETAINER AGREEMENT, IS IT INACCURATE? >>AND HER STATEMENT WAS WHAT? >>HER STATEMENT WAS NOT TO PERMIT OGE STAFF TO READ THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT IS PRIVILEGED. >>THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT. >>AND IS THE PRESIDENT’S TWEET OR HIS STATEMENT ACCURATE? >>I’M SORRY. ONE MORE TIME. >>HIS STATEMENT WAS MR. COHEN AN ATTORNEY RECEIVED A MONTHLY RETAINER, NOT FROM THE CAMPAIGN THE CAMPAIGN FROM WHICH HE ENTERED IN TO THROUGH A REIMBURSEMENT. >>THAT’S NOT ACCURATE. >>YOU MENTIONED INDIVIDUALS TO MY COLLEAGUE FROM NEW YORK, MISS CONNOLLY AND ALSO IN YOUR TESTIMONY ABOUT MR. WISENBERG AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS. WHO ARE THOSE INDIVIDUALS. ARE THEY WITH THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. >>THEY ARE. >>AND ARE THERE OTHER PEOPLE WE SHOULD BE MEETING WITH. >>ALLEN WEISSELBERG IS THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. >>QUICKLY GIVE US AS MANY NAMES AS YOU CAN SO WE CAN GET TO THEM. >>RONA GRAPH IS MR. TRUMP’S EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT. >>WOULD SHE BE ABLE TO CORROBORATE MANY OF THE STATEMENTS YOU HAVE MADE HERE? >>YES, HER OFFICE IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO HIS AND SHE IS INVOLVED IN A LOT THAT WENT ON. >>MR. COHEN, WHEN THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS WERE HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS IN 2018, DID THEY REACH OUT TO YOU TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THESE PAYMENTS? >>NO, MA’AM. >>AND WHAT DID YOU — DID YOU SHARE ANYTHING WITH THEM OTHERWISE IN ANY OTHER CONVERSATION? >>I DO NOT RECALL, NO. >>CAN THE COMMITTEE OBTAIN MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THESE FACTS BY OBTAINING TESTIMONY, DOCUMENTS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND THE PRESIDENT’S ATTORNEYS? >>I BELIEVE SO. >>MR. CHAIR, I THINK THAT THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE SHOULD BE SPEAKING WITH AND I YIELD BACK AT THIS TIME. >>COMMITTEE WILL NOW STAND IN RECESS AGAIN. WE WILL COME BACK — LISTEN UP, 35 MINUTES, 35 MINUTES AFTER THE LAST VOTE BEGINS. SO FOR MR. COHEN, MR. COHEN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY ABOUT AN HOUR OR SO. >>MELLOW, EVERYONE, I’M TANYA RIVERO. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. WE HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO MICHAEL COHEN, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S FORMER PERSONAL LAWYER TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE GIVING SOME EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY. COHEN TODAY CALLED THE PRESIDENT A RACIST, A CON MAN, A CHEAT. REPUBLICANS ON THE COMMITTEE INCLUDING MINORITY LEADER REPRESENTATIVE JIM JORDAN FOCUSED ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY ON THE CREDIBILITY OF MR. COHEN, OR, RATHER, HIS LACK OF CREDIBILITY. HE HAS, OF COURSE, BEEN CONVICTED FOR LYING TO CONGRESS AND WILL GO TO JAIL FOR THAT. DEMOCRATS, ON THE OTHER HAND, WERE FOCUSED ON QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT COHEN KNEW ABOUT WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW ABOUT DEALINGS WITH RUSSIA, ABOUT THE WIKILEAKS DUMP OF DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND HILLARY CLINTON’S E- MAILS AND THE PAYMENTS TO WOMEN WHO CLAIM TO HAVE HAD SEX WITH MR. TRUMP WHILE HE WAS MARRIED, AS WELL AS PAYMENTS FOR OTHER NEFARIOUS DEALINGS. A LOT WAS AIRED TODAY. WHETHER ANY OF IT CAN BE BELIEVED DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK. SO JOINING ME HERE ON SET IS CBSN POLITICAL REPORTER CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS, CBS NEWS LEGAL ANALYST RIKKI KLIEMAN, AND CESAR SAYOC NEWS WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT PAULA REID WHO JOINS ME FROM WASHINGTON. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. RICKI, I WANT TO START WITH YOU AND THE QUESTION OF COHEN BEING REIMBURSED FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS. WE HAVE A SOUND BYTE FROM THE HEARING THAT WE ARE GOING TO PLAY FIRST. LET’S LISTEN. >>I AM PROVIDING THE COMMITTEE TODAY WITH SEVERAL DOCUMENTS AND THESE INCLUDE A COPY OF THE CHECK MR. TRUMP WROTE FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS I MADE TO COVER UP HIS AFFAIR WITH AN ADULT FILM STAR AND TO PREVENT DAMAGE TO HIS CAMPAIGN. >>NOW, RICKI, WE KNOW THAT COHEN WAS CONVICTED IN PART FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS. DOESN’T IT THEN FOLLOW THE PRESIDENT IS ALSO GUILTY OF THE SAME THING? >>WHAT YOU’RE DEALING WITH IN MR. COHEN’S PLEA OF GUILTY WAS THE FACT THAT IT IS SAID IN THE INFORMATION CAPITAL EYE THAT WAS FILED BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK THAT HE DID ALL OF HIS ACTIONS WITH RESPECT TO HUSH MONEY AT THE DIRECTION OF INDIVIDUAL ONE WHO HE IDENTIFIES COMPLETELY IN THIS HEARING. HE SAYS LET’S NOT FORGET INDIVIDUAL ONE IS IN FACT DONALD TRUMP AND THAT WAS NOT HIDDEN. THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT QUESTION OF IF DONALD TRUMP DURING THE CAMPAIGN, AND WE HAVEN’T GOTTEN TO PRESIDENT TRUMP YET, DIRECTED MICHAEL COHEN ON THE EVE OF THE ELECTION AFTER THE “ACCESS HOLLYWOOD” TAPE HAD COME PUBLIC THAT HE WANTED THESE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS PAID, THAT IT WAS A CRIME BECAUSE IT WAS AGAINST THE FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSIONER RULES BECAUSE IT WOULD DIRECTLY AFFECT THE ELECTION. >>SO THEN IS THE DATE ON THE CHECKS THAT THE PRESIDENT WROTE FOR MR. COHEN SIGNIFICANT? >>YES, BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN 2016. IT IS IN FACT IN 2017 WHEN HE IS ALREADY PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. SO UNLESS MR. TRUMP HAS SOME FEASIBLE REASON AS TO WHY HE SENT A CHECK, GAVE A CHECK OF $30,000 TO MICHAEL COHEN IN MARCH OF 2017 WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER PAYMENTS THAT MR. COHEN RECEIVED FOR THE COURSE OF A YEAR FOR HIM TO BE REPAID PLUS, SO HE GOT LIKE A BONUS, PLUS, ACCORDING TO MR. COHEN, DO YOU ACCEPT THIS CHECK PLUS THE ONE THAT WAS SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP, JR. AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG WHO WAS THE MAN WITH THE CHECKBOOK WITHOUT MORE CORROBORATION BECAUSE ALLEN WEISSELBERG, HE WAS GIVEN IMMUNITY FROM THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. >>AND LAWMAKERS SAY THEY WANT TO HEAR FROM HIM. >>YOU BET. YOU HAVE CHECKS THAT COULD BE IN REPAYMENT OR YOU HAVE CHECKS FROM MICHAEL COHEN’S OTHER LEGAL WORK. SO ALLEN WEISSELBERG BECOMES RATHER IMPORTANT NOT ONLY TO THIS COMMITTEE BUT TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. >>ABSOLUTELY. AND PAULA, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT COHEN SAID ABOUT THE WIKILEAKS DUMP AND WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT VIS-A-VIS ROGER STONE. WE HAVE A SOUND BYTE TO PLAY ON WIKILEAKS AND ASSANGE. LET’S LISTEN. >>IN JULY OF 2016, DAYS BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, I WAS IN MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE WHEN HIS SECRETARY ANNOUNCED THAT ROGER STONE WAS ON THE PHONE. MR. TRUMP PUT MR. STONE ON THE SPEAKERPHONE. MR. STONE TOLD MR. TRUMP THAT HE HAD JUST GOTTEN OFF THE PHONE WITH JULIAN ASSANGE AND THAT MR. ASSANGE TOLD MR. STONE THAT WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS THERE WOULD BE A MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP RESPONDED BY STATING TO THE EFFECT, WOULDN’T THAT BE GREAT? >>PAULA, THE STATEMENT IS INTERESTING ON A LOT OF LEVELS BUT NOT LEAST OF WHICH BECAUSE ROGER STONE HAS REPORTEDLY RESPONDED TO WHAT MICHAEL COHEN SAID TODAY, RIGHT AND IF SO, IS THAT IN VIOLATION OF HIS GAG ORDER? >>IT APPEARS TO BE. HE WAS HIT WITH A RESTRICTIVE GAG ORDER LAST WEEK BY A JUDGE WHO SAID YOU CANNOT DISCUSS YOUR CASE. PART OF HIS CASE IS NOT BEING FULLY HONEST WITH CONGRESS ABOUT WIKILEAKS. I WILL LEAD IT UP TO THE JUDGE WHETHER OR NOT HE VIOLATED HIS GAG ORDER BUT THESE CLAIMS RAISE A LOT OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE COHEN’S TESTIMONY DOES NOT MATCH WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID PUBLICLY AND WHILE IT IS NOT A CRIME TO LIE TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WIKILEAKS DUMPING E-MAILS, IT IS A CRIME TO LIE TO FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS AND SOURCES HAVE TOLD ME THAT IN HIS WRITTEN ANSWERS TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S QUESTIONS, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ABOUT WIKILEAKS MATCH HIS PUBLIC STATEMENTS. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE POSSIBILITY, THIS IS WHY COHEN IS RAISING THIS, THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE PRESIDENT MAY HAVE LIED TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. BUT JUST BECAUSE COHEN SAID SOMETHING HAPPENED ONE WAY, THAT DOESN’T ESTABLISH ANYTHING AT ALL. WHAT COHEN IS DOING IS HE IS GIVING HOUSE DEMOCRATS A ROAD MAP TO FOLLOW AND NOW SEEK OUT CORROBORATION FOR HIS STORY. >>NOW, IN ANOTHER EXCHANGE, COHEN EXPLAINED HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP INDIRECTLY INSTRUCTS HIM TO TELL LIES ON HIS BEHALF. LET’S LISTEN TO THAT. WE MAY NOT HAVE THAT SOUND BYTE YET. HE DID TALK ABOUT HOW THE PRESIDENT NEVER DIRECTLY TELLS HIM TO LIE BUT THAT IT IS IMPLICIT IN HIS ACTIONS WHAT HE WANTS COHEN TO DO. SO I’M CURIOUS, IN A LEGAL ASPECT, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN’T SEEM TO HOLD WATER. YOU CAN’T IMPLY SOMETHING, CAN YOU, LEGALLY? >>WELL, YOU CAN. IT DOESN’T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT COMES UP TO A CRIME. WE HAVE A LOT OF INFERENCE HERE. MICHAEL COHEN IS SAYING, LOOK, IF YOU’VE BEEN AROUND MR. TRUMP AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN AROUND MR. TRUMP, YOU KNOW WHEN HE IS DIRECTING YOU TO DO SOMETHING. THAT MAY GIVE US ECHOES, YOU MAY REMEMBER, OF JAMES COMEY’S TESTIMONY BACK WHEN IT WAS IN CONGRESS AND HE SAID HOW HE INTERPRETED SOMETHING THE PRESIDENT SAID ABOUT MICHAEL FLYNN. DID HE TAKE IT TO BE NICE TO MICHAEL FLYNN OR GOOD TO MICHAEL FLYNN THAT THAT WAS AN ORDER? IS IT BEAUTY IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER, DON’T YOU NEED MORE, DON’T YOU NEED A REAL AGREEMENT? BUT IT IS NOT JUST THAT COMMENT ALONE. MICHAEL COHEN SAYING, I KNEW WHAT HE MEANT, HE KEPT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT PUBLICLY THAT WE WERE NOT INVOLVED IN RUSSIA AND HE WAS SAYING IT DURING THE CAMPAIGN, SO I KNEW WHAT HE REALLY WANTED ME TO DO WAS TO FOLLOW HIS DIRECTIONS. NOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP CAN SIMPLY SAY, I CAN SAY ANYTHING I WANT IN THE CAMPAIGN AND FRANKLY THAT’S HOW I REMEMBERED IT. AND MICHAEL COHEN’S DECISION TO LIE IS ALL OF HIS OWN. >>RIGHT. WE SHOULD ALSO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS NEVER HAD TO SAY ANYTHING UNDER OATH. >>WELL — >>AT LEAST NOT TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE KNOW OF SO FAR. >>RIGHT. AND WE DON’T LIKE THE FACT THAT OUR LEADERS IN OFFICE MIGHT LIE TO US ON ANY BASIS, LET ALONE A REGULAR BASIS, BUT LYING TO THE PUBLIC IS NOT A CRIME. >>RIGHT. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BUSINESS DEALINGS THAT MICHAEL COHEN MAY HAVE REVEALED OR SOME OF THE SORT OF NEFARIOUS DEALINGS THAT HE ALLEGES THE TRUMP FAMILY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN. THERE’S A SOUND BYTE WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW AND HOW HE LIED ABOUT THAT AND ADMITTED THAT. LET’S LISTEN. >>WAS IVANKA, JARED OR DON, JR. INVOLVED IN THE TOWER AT THAT TIME. >>THE COMPANY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL WHICH MEANT THAT THE FAMILY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL. >>IF MR. TRUMP AND HIS DAUGHTER IVANKA AND SON DONALD JUNIOR ARE INVOLVED IN THE RUSSIAN TRUMP TOWER DEAL IS IT POSSIBLE THE WHOLE FAMILY IS CONFLICTED OR COMPROMISED WITH A FOREIGN ADVERSARY IN THE MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION? >>YES. >>SO COHEN IS IMPLICATING THE ENTIRE TRUMP FAMILY. THAT MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HEARD THAT. WE KNOW TRUMP JUNIOR HAS COME UNDER SPECULATION BUT THIS INCLUDES IVANKA, JARED, THE ENTIRE FAMILY. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? >>IMPORTANT FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, IVANKA WORKS IN THIS WHITE HOUSE CURRENTLY AND, TWO, WE KNOW THE PRESIDENT IS VERY PROTECTIVE OF HIS CHILDREN, EVEN AS MR. COHEN DETAILED THE WAYS IN WHICH DONALD TRUMP HAS TALKED UNFAVORABLY ABOUT HIS OWN SON, YOU KNOW, HE IS VERY PROTECTIVE OF HIS DAUGHTER ESPECIALLY. SO WHAT WOULD THIS PROMPT TRUMP TO DO? I THINK IT’S ALSO REALLY INTERESTING TO LOOK AT ALL THE POLITICS BEING PLACED HERE. >>YES. >>THIS IS A TALE OF TWO COMMITTEE HEARINGS REALLY. YOU HAVE REPUBLICANS ON ONE SIDE, WORKING OVERTIME REALLY TO TRY TO DISCREDIT MICHAEL COHEN AND TO PRESENT HIM AS AN UNCREDIBLE WITNESS, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE IS ALSO INVOLVED IN ANOTHER CASE, OF COURSE, IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT AND HE HASN’T BEEN ABLE TO SAY SOME THINGS AND DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO GET MORE ANSWERS FROM HIM AROUND THESE BUSINESS DEALINGS, AROUND THAT TRUMP TOWER MEETING, AROUND THIS PAYMENT. AND SO MICHAEL COHEN HAS LIED BEFORE, HE IS GOING TO JAIL, AS YOU NOTED. AND REPUBLICANS ARE KIND OF TRYING TO SHOW THAT WHY SHOULD WE TRUST THIS PERSON? HOWEVER, THAT COULD HAVE A BACK FIRING EFFECT BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE ACTUALLY ASKED HIM SOME PRETTY SALACIOUS QUESTIONS THAT HE’S ANSWERED ABOUT A LOVE CHILD, ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN ACCUSED OR RUMORED TO BE DOING. HE SHOT THOSE DOWN. SO IS HE CREDIBLE THEN? >>AND AT THIS POINT WHAT MOTIVATION WOULD HE HAVE TO LIE? >>RIGHT. >>IT DOESN’T SEEM LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE MUCH. HE WOULD GET INTO MORE TROUBLE IF HE KEPT LYING, CORRECT? >>HE’S ALREADY GOING TO PRISON FOR FRAUD AND LYING AND THEN HE’S GOING TO PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. SO HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE. >>RIGHT. >>ALL HE’S LOOKING AT IF HE LIES IS MORE TIME. SO THE ARGUMENT, OBVIOUSLY, FROM THE DEMOCRATICS’ POINT OF VIEW IS HE’S THE ONE WHO REALLY UNDERSTANDS IT’S NOT THAT HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE. HE HAS EVERYTHING TO LOSE IF HE LIES. >>YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT ALL OF THESE COLORFUL DETAILS COMING OUT, SOME OF WIZ ARE QUITE SALACIOUS. HE AT ONE POINT TALKED ABOUT AN ELEVATOR TAPE THAT HE DOESN’T BELIEVE EXISTS BUT IT’S QUITE SOMETHING TO HEAR ABOUT. LET’S LISTEN. I’M TOLD WE DO HAVE IT. IT’S COMING IN JUST A SECOND. >>THERE’S AN ELEVATOR TAPE THAT WENT UP FOR AUCTION OSTENSIBLYN IN 2018; IS THAT CORRECT? >>YES, I’VE HEARD ABOUT THIS. >>AND WHO WAS ON THAT TAPE? >>IT IS MR. TRUMP WITH MELANIA. >>WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT TAPE? >>THE STORY GOES THAT HE STRUCK MELANIA WHILE IN THAT ELEVATOR BECAUSE THERE’S A CAMERA INSIDE, WHICH I’M NOT SO SURE — ACTUALLY, I’M CERTAIN IT’S NOT TRUE. I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT TAPE FOR YEARS. I HAVE KNOWN FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE INCLUDING FOLKS FROM AMI WHO HAVE — >>BUT THERE WAS SOME TAPE THAT WENT UP FOR AUCTION, CORRECT? >>I DON’T BELIEVE THAT AUCTION WAS REAL AND I DON’T BELIEVE MR. TRUMP EVER STRUCK MRS. TRUMP, EVER. I DON’T BELIEVE IT. >>AND ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYONE PURCHASING THAT TAPE THEN? >>I DON’T BELIEVE IT WAS EVER PURCHASED. ú>>YOU NEVER SAW TH >>NO, MA’AM, AND I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO WENT TO GO TRY TO PURCHASE IT FOR CATCH AND KILL PURPOSE. IT DOESN’T EXIST. MR. TRUMP WOULD NEVER, IN MY OPINION, THAT’S NOT SOMETHING HEWOULD DO. >>GOOD TO KNOW. >>PAULA, EVEN THOUGH COHEN DENIED THE EXISTENCE OF THIS TAPE, WE ARE HEARING ABOUT IT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF DIRTY DETAILS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE CANNOT BE HAPPY ABOUT. >>CERTAINLY. ALTHOUGH AT LEAST COHEN DID VOUCH FOR THE PRESIDENT’S CHARACTER THAT EVEN THOUGH HE CALLED HIM RACIST AND A FRAUD AND ALLEGED THAT HE ENGAGED IN CRIMINAL CONSPIRACIES, SAYING HE DOESN’T BELIEVE HE WOULD BEAT HIS WIFE. ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THINGS THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS HEARING, REPUBLICANS WERE SUCCESSFUL IN ATTACKING COHEN’S CREDIBILITY. WE KNEW HE WAS A LIAR BEFORE THIS HEARING BECAUSE HE’S BEEN CONVICTED OF LYING TO CONGRESS, GOVERNMENT, AND BANKS. BUT THEY WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN ATTACKING THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT HE SAID AND HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE WALKING AWAY FROM THIS HEARING AT THE END OF THE DAY WITH ALL OF THESE NEW LEADS AND WAYS TO INVESTIGATE THE PRESIDENT AND ONE OF THE MOST SHOCKING THINGS THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS HEARING IS THE FACT THAT COHEN SAYS THERE WERE MORE ALLEGATIONS OF CRIMINAL WRONGDOING THAT HE CAN’T DISCUSS. IN FACT, SPECIFICALLY HE WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS LAST CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT. HE SAID THE LAST TIME HE TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT WAS SHORTLY AFTER HIS HOME AND OFFICES WERE RAIDED. BUT HE SAID HE COULD NOT REVEAL WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION BY FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN MANHATTAN AND I HAVE CONSISTENTLY SAID IN MY REPORTING I BELIEVE IT’S THAT INVESTIGATION IN MANHATTAN. LOOKING AT CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS, LOOKING AT ALL THE NONRUSSIA-RELATED CRIMINAL QUESTIONS, THAT POSES THE BIGGEST LEGAL THREAT TO THE PRESIDENT. >>RIKKI, WOULD YOU AGREE? I SEE YOU NODDING YOUR HEAD HERE. >>I THINK I WOULD SAY 100% OF THE TIME AGREE WITH PAULA REID ANYWAY. WE BOTH LOOK AT THINGS THE SAME WAY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT’S HAPPENING IN NEW YORK, YOU NOT ONLY HAVE THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK WHICH WE LAWYERS HAVE OFTEN CALLED THE MOST POWERFUL LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE WORLD BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF THEIR INVESTIGATION AND PROSECUTION IS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. >>AND THEIR INDEPENDENCE AS WELL, CORRECT? >>THEY ARE PRETTY INDEPENDENT BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO REMEMBER THEY ARE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. WE CAN’T FORGET ABOUT WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE. THE STATE A.G. IN 2018 WENT FORWARD WITH REFERRALS FROM A CIVIL CASE, REFERRALS TO THE IRS, REFERRALS TO OTHER BODIES FOR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, HAVING TO DO WITH THE TRUMP FOUNDATION, WHICH DOES, BY THE WAY, INVOLVE NOT ONLY DONALD TRUMP, BUT INVOLVES THE TRUMP CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE IDEA WAS AND IT DOES COME OUT AGAIN TODAY IN TESTIMONY THAT WHEN YOU’RE DEALING WITH A PARTICULAR PAINTING, THAT WAS PURCHASED BY EITHER THE FOUNDATION OR THE ORGANIZATION, YOU HAVE BOTH THE FOUNDATION AND THE ORGANIZATION UNDER INVESTIGATION IN THE STATE. BUT ALSO I WOULD BET IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, THE U.S. ATTORNEY, JEFFREY BERMAN, OF WHOM I HAVE GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR, HE HAS RECUSED HIMSELF FROM ANY OF THE TRUMP INVESTIGATIONS. SO YOU HAVE A WELL OILED MACHINE THAT IS GOING FORWARD THEORETICALLY WITHOUT POLITICS BUT JUST LOOKING AT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, AND THAT MAY BE, AS THEY SAY, WHERE THE PEDAL MEETS THE METAL. >>I WANT TO PLAY A SOUND BYTE OF COHEN TALKING ABOUT THAT TRUMP TOWER MEETING INVOLVING DON JUNIOR BECAUSE THAT IS ALSO PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. LET’S LISTEN. >>SOMETIME IN THE SUMMER OF 2017 I READ ALL OVER THE MEDIA THERE HAD BEEN A MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER IN JUNE OF2016 INVOLVING DON JUNIOR AND OTHERS FROM THE CAMPAIGN WITH RUSSIANS, INCLUDING A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT AND AN E-MAIL SETTING UP THE MEETING WITH THE SUBJECT LINE, DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON. SOMETHING CLICKED IN MY MIND, I REMEMBERED BEING IN A ROOM WITH MR. TRUMP, PROBABLY IN EARLY JUNE OF 2016, WHEN SOMETHING PECULIAR HAPPENED. DON TRUMP, JR. CAME INTO THE ROOM AND WALKED BEHIND HIS FATHER’S DESK, WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF WAS UNUSUAL. PEOPLE DIDN’T JUST WALK BEHIND MR. TRUMP’S DESK TO TALK TO HIM. AND I RECALL DON JUNIOR LEANING OVER TO HIS FATHER AND SPEAKING IN A LOW VOICE, WHICH I COULD CLEARLY HEAR, AND SAYING, THE MEETING IS ALL SET, AND I REMEMBER MR. TRUMP SAYING, OKAY, GOOD. LET ME KNOW. >>SO RIKKI, I KNOW YOU HAVE TO LEAVE SOON SO I WANT YOU TO RESPOND TO THAT. IT SOUNDS AS IF ESSAYING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW ABOUT THAT MEETING, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DENIED. IT’S SOMETHING THAT DONALD, JR. HAS DENIED AND IT COULD PLACE THE PRESIDENT IN HOT WATER. >>WELL, IT COULD, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THE ONLY PERSON WHO KNOWS ABOUT THIS CALL ON THE SPEAKERPHONE OR THE ONLY PEOPLE, IF IT OCCURRED, ARE ROGER STONE, DONALD TRUMP AND THE PERSON WHO WAS LISTENING ON THE SPEAKER, WHO WAS MICHAEL COHEN. YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT ROGER STONE AND DONALD TRUMP ARE GOING TO SAY THAT THAT CALL DID NOT OCCUR THE WAY MICHAEL COHEN DESCRIBED IT. AND SO MICHAEL COHEN IS LEFT ON HIS OWN. AND THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT IF ALL YOU HAVE IS MICHAEL COHEN WITHOUT ANY OTHER CORROBORATION, THAT IS A WEAK SITUATION. YOU NEED MORE. >>RIGHT. >>BUT YOU COULD GET PHONE RECORDS. >>YOU COULD GET PHONE RECORDS. RIKKI, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I KNOW YOU HAVE TO RUN TO GO TO NETWORK. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STAYING WITH US. PAULA, I’M GOING TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THAT. OBVIOUSLY HE’S A — COHEN IS A CONVICTED LIAR AND IF HE’S THE ONLY ONE IN THE ROOM THAT CAN STATE THAT, IT PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO HOLD MUCH WATER. >>NO, MICHAEL COHEN IS NOT ENOUGH. BUT THIS THEME CAME UP MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT THE HEARING, PEOPLE TRYING TO BOLSTER HIM AND REMIND US ALL THAT MANY HISTORIC CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS RELIED ON THE TESTIMONY OF PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN CONVICTED OF MUCH WORSE CRIMES THAN MICHAEL COHEN ESPECIALLY WHEN IT CAME TO TAKING DOWN SIGNIFICANT MOB FAMILIES BUT THE PROBLEM IS HERE IS ANYTHING COHEN SAYS, ANY GOOD DEFENSE ATTORNEY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO UNDERMINE HIS QUICKLY. THE FACT AGAIN HE’S HEADED TO PRISON FOR LYING NOT JUST TO CONGRESS BUT ALSO TO THE GOVERNMENT ON HIS TAX FORMS, TO VARIOUS BANKS. HE WOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO IMPEACH AS A WITNESS. THAT’S WHY IT’S ALL ABOUT CORROBORATION. AND TODAY HE SHOWED UP WITH SOME RECEIPTS. HE CAME WITH EXHIBITS, HE CAME WITH DOCUMENTS AND THAT’S WHAT’S SO IMPORTANT IN THIS HEARING IS HE’S COMING WITH ITEMS TO CORROBORATE HIS CLAIMS THAT NOW HOUSE DEMOCRATS NEWLY EMBOLDEN WITH SUBPOENA POWER, THEY CAN USE THOSE DOCUMENTS AND TRY TO GET ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OF WHICH WOULD BE THE PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS. TODAY OF COURSE COHEN, HE ALLEGED THE PRESIDENT WOULD UNDERVALUE HIS NET WORTH SO AS NOT TO HAVE TO PAY HIS FAIR SHARE. JUST BECAUSE MICHAEL COHEN SAID THAT DOESN’T MEAN IT’S TRUE BUT BY PRESENTING THESE DOCUMENTS HE IS NOW POTENTIAL GIVEN HOUSE DEMOCRATS A LICENSE TO GO PURSUE THE PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS AND THAT’S SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT HAS ALWAYS SAID THAT IS A RED LINE AND THAT HIS PERSONAL FINANCES HOULD BE OFF LIMITS TO INVESTIGATORS, SO I DON’T KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS RIGHT NOW IN VIETNAM, BUT I’M SURPRISED WE HAVEN’T HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT ON THAT ISSUE. >>I’M SURE WE WILL SOON. BUT IT WAS INTERESTING HOW COHEN PAINTED A PICTURE OF A PRESIDENT WHO WANTED TO INFLATE HIS ASSETS WHEN IT CAME TO BEING INCLUDED ON THE FORBES LIST OF WEALTHIEST AMERICANS BUT THEN DEFLATE HIS ASSETS WHEN IT CAME TO THE IRS. I WANT TO MOVE ONTO SOMETHING ELSE THAT MICHAEL COHEN TALKED ABOUT, WHICH WAS THIS QUESTION OF INTIMIDATION. MICHAEL COHEN EXPLAINED THE PRESIDENT NEVER PHYSICALLY THREATENED OTHERS HIMSELF BUT INSTEAD WOULD USE HIS EMPLOYEES. HERE’S THAT CLIP. >>HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MR. TRUMP PERSONALLY THREATEN PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL HARM? >>NO. HE WOULD USE OTHERS. >>HE WOULD HIRE OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THAT? >>I’M NOT SO SURE HE HAD TO HIRE THEM. THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING THERE. EVERYBODY’S JOB AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION IS TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. EVERY DAY MOST OF US KNEW WE WERE COMING IN AND WE WERE GOING TO LIE FOR HIM ON SOMETHING, AND THAT BECAME THE NORM AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT’S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN THIS COUNTRY AND IT’S EXACTLY WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE IN GOVERNMENT, SIR. >>DOES THAT SHIELD THE PRESIDENT LEGALLY SPEAKING, THAT HE NEVER HAD TO VERBALLY DIRECT HIS WORKERS TO SHIELD HIM IN THAT WAY? >>WELL, TIS SPEAKS MORE TO ETHICS AND MORALS THAN IT DOES TO LEGAL CULPABILITY BECAUSE HERE HE IS HAVING PEOPLE CARRY OUT THREATS IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND HE NOTED IT WASN’T ALWAYS PHYSICAL VIOLENCE. SOMETIMES THERE WOULD BE OTHER IMPLIED THREATS SUCH AS LEGAL ACTION OR NOT PAYING YOUR BILLS. AT THIS POINT I CAN’T REALLY SEE WHERE THE LEGAL EXPOSURE WOULD BE SINCE THIS IS SO LONG AGO, A LOT OF THIS HAPPENED, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER, MICHAEL COHEN TRIED TO PULL OUT OF THIS HEARING ORIGINALLY SAYING THAT HE FELT THREATENED BY THE PRESIDENT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE FOUND THAT PRETTY RICH CONSIDERING HOW MANY PEOPLE COHEN HAD THREATENED ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT. BUT AGAIN A LOT OF THEE STATEMENTS, THINGS YOU SAY AND DO IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOU TELL FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS AND I THINK THAT’S THE GREATEST LEGAL VULNERABILITY NOT ONLY FOR THE COHEN AS WE HAVE SEEN BUT ALSO THE PRESIDENT’S FAMILY MEMBERS AND ASSOCIATES, IT’S CLEAR THEY DON’T HAVE THEIR STORIES STRAIGHT. SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE IS LYING. THE BIG QUESTION IS WHO. >>WHO, INDEED. PAULA REID IN WASHINGTON AND CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS HERE ON SET. THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU FOR BEING WITH US. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MUCH MORE CBSN. DON’T GO AWAY. >>>HELLO, EVERYONE, I’M TANYA RIVERO. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >>>AN EXPLOSIVE DAY ON CAPITOL HILL. PRESIDENT TRUMP’S FORMER FIXER APPEARED BEFORE LAWMAKERS GIVING WHAT MANY ARE CALLING BOMBSHELL TESTIMONY AGAINST HIS FORMER BOSS. COHEN TESTIFIED BEFORE THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ON MR. TRUMP’S ALLEGED CRIMINAL CONDUCT WHILE HE WAS IN OFFICE, BUT BEFORE THE HEARING EVEN GOT UNDERWAY SOME LAWMAKERS WERE LOOKING TO POSTPONE IT. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER. I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE THIS HEARING. >>SECOND. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS ASKING TO BE RECOGNIZED BEFORE THE MOTION. >>THE VOTE IS SO ENTABLING THE MOTION POSTPONED. EXCUSE ME. >>CNN HAD IT BEFORE WE DID. >>SIR. >>I JUST WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED. >>WELL, THE VOTE IS ON TABLING THE MOTION TO POSTPONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >>THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO. >>THE AYEs HAVE IT. >>I CAN ASSURE YOU IT’S IN THE RULES. >>THE HEARING WAS NOT POSTPONED AND MR. COHEN GAVE HIS WIDE RANGING TESTIMONY BEFORE THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. HERE ARE SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS. >>MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP? >>APPROXIMATELY A DECADE. >>10 YEARS? >>THAT’S CORRECT. >>YOU SAID ALL THESE BAD THINGS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THERE IN THAT LAST 30 MINUTES AND YET YOU WORKED FOR HIM FOR 10 YEARS? ALL THOSE BAD THINGS, I MEAN, IF IT’S THAT BAD, I CAN SEE YOU WORK ARE FOR HIM FOR 10 DAYS, MAYBE 10 WEEKS, MAYBE EVEN 10 MONTHS, BUT YOU WORKED FOR HIM FOR 10 YEARS. MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE? >>I NEVER WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >>AND THAT’S THE POINT, ISN’T IT, MR. COHEN? >>NO, SIR. >>YES, IT IS. >>NO, IT IS NOT. >>YOU WANTED TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >>NO, SIR. >>YOU DIDN’T GET BROUGHT TO THE DANCE AND NOW — >>I WAS EXTREMELY PROUD TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I WAS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL OF THESE CATCH AND KILL EPISODES OF THESE CATCH AND KILL SCENARIOS EXISTED BETWEEN DAVID AND MR. TRUMP LONG BEFORE I STARTED WORKING FOR HIM IN 2007. A COPY OF A CHECK, MR. TRUMP WROTE FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS I MADE TO COVER UP HIS AFFAIR WITH AN ADULT FILM STAR AND TO PREVENT DAMAGE TO HIS CAMPAIGN. HE IS A RACIST, HE IS A CON MAN AND HE IS A CHEAT. >>MICHAEL COHEN ACCUSED THE PRESIDENT OF VARIOUS CRIMINAL ACTS SINCE ASSUMING THE OVAL OFFICE. THESE ARE THE MAIN HEADLINES. THIS IS A COPY OF A CHECK WRITTEN TO COHEN FROM MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT. IT WAS TO ALLEGEDLY REIMBURSE COHEN FOR HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO PORN STAR STORMY DANIELS WHO ALLEGES HE HAD A SEXUAL ENCOUNTER WITH MR. TRUMP BUT THE PRESIDENT HAS REPEATEDLY DENIED HE KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. DURING THE TESTIMONY COHEN PAINTED THE PRESIDENT AS A RACIST WHILE PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS IN OFFICE, COHEN CLAIMS THAT MR. TRUMP ASKED HIM QUOTE IF HE COULD NAME A COUNTRY RUN BY A BLACK PERSON THAT WASN’T AN EXPLETIVE. COHEN SAYS THE PRESIDENT ALSO SAID, BLACK PEOPLE WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE, QUOTE, TOO STUPID. AND COHEN DOUBLED DOWN ON CLAIMS THE PRESIDENT NOT ONLY KNEW OF BUT DIRECTED NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE TRUMP TOWER PROJECT IN MOSCOW. THE REASON, THE PRESIDENT’S FORMER FIXER SAID TRUMP STOOD TO MAKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE MOSCOW REAL ESTATE PROJECT. THESE ACCUSATIONS COME MONTHS AHEAD OF PRISON TIME FOR COHEN. HE WAS SENTENCED TO THREE YEARS BEHIND BARS LAST YEAR AFTER PLEADING GUILTY TO CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS WHILE WORKING WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, COHEN ALSO LIED TO CONGRESS. CBSN POLITICAL REPORTER CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS IS HERE WITH ME ON SET AND CBS NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT ED O’KEEFE IS ON CAPITOL HILL. ED, LET ME START WITH YOU. HOW IS CAPITOL HILL RESPONDING TO SOME OF THESE BOMBSHELL ALLEGATIONS IN COHEN’S TESTIMONY TODAY? >>WELL, LET’S REMEMBER A FEW THINGS. FIRST OFF MOST PEOPLE UP HERE BEGAN TO HEAR ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT, SO HEARING HIM NOW SAY WHAT WAS PROVIDED OVERNIGHT IN WRITTEN FORM, PERHAPS, ISN’T AS SURPRISING BUT IT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT IS DOMINATING ATTENTION UP HERE TODAY, AND THERE’S AN UNDERSTANDING AS THE CHAIRMAN SAID EARLIER TODAY, THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL NO LONGER BE PROTECTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUES OF RUSSIA AND THESE OTHER MATTERS NOW, AT LEAST ON THE HOUSE SIDE. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY REALLY THE FIRST MAJOR PUBLIC HEARING WITH A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL DESCRIBING — OR TRUMP ORBIT OFFICIAL, IF YOU WILL, DESCRIBING THESE ALLEGATIONS IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE AND IT’S DESIGNED TO PUT THIS ALL OUT NOW IN THE PUBLIC, IN A POLITICAL SETTING AS OPPOSED TO THE ONGOING LEGAL INVESTIGATIONS WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE NEARING THEIR END AND I THINK EVERYONE UP HERE HAS SEEN THIS AS THE OPENING SALVO AS A WAY OF LAYING OUT THE POTENTIAL ROAD MAP FOR WHERE INVESTIGATIONS NOT ONLY HELD BY THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE BUT THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, WAYS AND MEANS AS DEMOCRATS TRY TO PICK APART VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF THE TRUMP ORBIT OF WORK HE DID AS A CANDIDATE, AS A BUSINESSMAN AND ISSUES THAT CAME UP SINCE HE BECAME PRESIDENT. >>CLEARLY A LOT MORE DIGGING THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO WANT TO DO AFTER TODAY’S TESTIMONY. MICHAEL COHEN DENIED AN ACCUSATION FROM REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN JIM JORDAN TODAY THAT HE TURNED ON PRESIDENT TRUMP BECAUSE HE DIDN’T GET A JOB IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SORT OF REFERRED TO IN A BUZZFEED ARTICLE. LET’S LISTEN. >>MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE? >>I NEVER WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >>THAT’S THE POINT, ISN’T IT, MR. COHEN? >>NO, SIR. >>YES, IT IS. >>NO, IT’S NOT. >>YOU WANTED TO WORK TO THE WHITE HOUSE, YOU DIDN’T GET BROUGHT TO THE DANCE AND NOW — >>I WAS EXTREMELY PROUD TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I WAS OFFERED JOBS. I CAN TELL YOU A STORY OF MR. TRUMP REAMING OUT REINCE PRIEBUS BECAUSE I HAD NOT TAKEN A JOB WHERE MR. TRUMP WANTED ME TO WHICH IS WORKING WITH DAN McGAHN AT THE WHITE HOUSE GENERAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE. WHAT I SAID AT THE TIME AND I BROUGHT A LAWYER IN WHO PRODUCED A MEMO AS TO WHY I SHOULD NOT GO IN BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND IN ORDER TO HANDLE SOME OF THE MATTERS THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN MY OPENING, THAT IT WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR ME NOT TO GO IN AND THAT EVERY PRESIDENT HAD A PERSONAL ATTORNEY. >>HERE’S WHAT I SEE. I SEE A GUY WORK FOR 10 YEARS AND SEE YOU’RE TRASHING THE GUY HE WORKED FOR FOR 10 YEARS, DIDN’T GET A JOB IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOW, AND NOW YOU’RE BEHAVING JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO GOT FIRED OR DIDN’T GET THE JOB THEY WANTED, LIKE ANDY MCCABE, LIKE JAMES COMEY, SAME KIND OF SELFISH MOTIVATION AFTER YOU DON’T GET THE THING YOU WANT. THAT’S WHAT I SEE HERE TODAY AND I THINK THAT’S WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE. >>MR. JORDAN, ALL I WANTED WAS WHAT I GOT TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT. >>SO THIS IS A NEW NARRATIVE SORT OF SWIRLING AROUND MICHAEL COHEN AS A RESULT OF A RECENT BUZZFEED PROFILE THAT SORT OF PAINTED A PICTURE OF MICHAEL COHEN AS IMBITTERED BECAUSE HE DID NOT GET A POSITION IN THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE AND THAT LED TO HIM GOING AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. HE REFUTES THAT TODAY. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS? >>REPUBLICANS WITH ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE TRYING TO GET AT COHEN’S CREDIBILITY AND HIS MOTIVES. NOW, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW HE IS ABOUT TO GO TO PRISON FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS, THAT HE DOESN’T REALLY HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO AT THIS POINT OR ANY LOWER TO GO, BUT REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO PAINT HIM AS A FIGURE WHO IS DISGRUNTLED, WHO HAS A BONE TO PICK WITH THE PRESIDENT AND WHO HAS GIVEN THAT HE HAS LIED TO CONGRESS BEFORE, WHAT’S TO SAY HE IS BEING TRUTHFUL NOW? THAT’S WHAT YOU HEARD IN JORDAN’S QUESTIONING AND THROUGH MOST MEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICANS TRYING TO PAINT THIS PICTURE OF COHEN TO DISCREDIT HIM BECAUSE, AS I MENTIONED, IT’S NOT ONLY THAT COHEN IS TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS INVOLVING HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH TRUMP, SOME THINGS WE HAVE ALREADY KNOWN ABOUT, BUT IT DOES — YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOW IN DIVIDED GOVERNMENT, REPUBLICANS HAVE — SORRY, DEMOCRATS HAVE POWER IN THESE VARIOUS COMMITTEES TO PROBE VARIOUS PARTS OF THE TRUMP WORLD AND THERE IS THIS CONCERN ABOUT WHAT KIND OF EXPOSURE COHEN IS GIVING TO THEM. >>RIGHT. AND REPUBLICANS DEFINITELY SPENT A LOT OF TIME ALSO TRYING TO PAINT A PICTURE OF HIM AS AN OPPORTUNIST CLAIMING HE WANTS TO WRITE A BOOK AND ALL OF THIS IS GIVING HIM MORE ATTENTION TO SELL HIS WARES. >>EXACTLY. AND THAT HE TOOK MONEY FROM TRUMP ALL THESE YEARS, THAT HE WORKED FOR HIM VERY LOYALLY, NOW TO COHEN’S POINT, HE WAS SAYING THAT I ADMIT TO ALL THESE THINGS, YES, I DID THAT. >>RIGHT. ED, COHEN ALSO EXPLAINED WHY PRESIDENT TRUMP LIED ABOUT HIS BUSINESS DEALINGS IN MOSCOW. HERE’S WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THAT AND I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE AFTER WE HEAR. >>I LIED TO CONGRESS WHEN MR. TRUMP STOPPED NEGOTIATING THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT IN RUSSIA. I STATED THAT WE STOPPED NEGOTIATING IN JANUARY OF 2016. THAT WAS FALSE. OUR NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUED FOR MONTHS LATER DURING THE CAMPAIGN. SO TO BE CLEAR, MR. TRUMP KNEW OF AND DIRECTED THE TRUMP MOSCOW NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT. HE LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN. HE ALSO LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE STOOD TO MAKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE MOSCOW REAL ESTATE PROJECT. AND SO I LIED ABOUT IT TOO. >>ED, WHERE DOES THAT FIT INTO WHAT WE ALREADY KNEW? THE PRESIDENT HAS CHANGED HIS STORY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS BUSINESS DEALINGS IN MOSCOW AND WHAT HE WAS HOPING TO DO THERE. >>RIGHT. THIS PUTS ON THE RECORD NOW AND IN PUBLIC THINGS THAT WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ALLEGED AND REPORTED ON BACKGROUND FROM ANONYMOUS SOURCES OR THROUGH LEGAL SOURCES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. AND IT CONFIRMS AGAIN IN A PUBLIC SETTING WHAT MANY HAVE LONG BELIEVED ABOUT TRUMP AND WHY HE WAS CONTINUING TO DO BUSINESS DEALS DURING THE CAMPAIGN, THAT HE ULTIMATELY SAW THIS AS A POTENTIAL LUCRATIVE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND DIDN’T ULTIMATELY ANTICIPATE ACTUALLY WINNING THE JOB. AND YOU CAN SIT THERE AND SAY, YEAH, BUT THIS IS AN UNCREDIBLE WITNESS BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN SAYING ONE THING A FEW MONTHS AGO AND HAS BEEN LYING ABOUT IT AND NOW IS CHANGING HIS STORY AND THAT’S TOTALLY VALID AND FAIR, BUT IT IS IN A SENSE CONFIRMING AND BUTTRESSING A LOT OF REPORTING THAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT SUGGESTS THAT ALL OF THIS BUSINESS WORK ESSENTIALLY WAS GOING ON IN RUSSIA, HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, IN OTHER COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT BY RUNNING FOR GOVERNMENT HE WOULD BOLSTER THE BRAND. A REMINDER, THIS IS A POLITICAL EXERCISE. THIS IS A POLITICAL ARENA AND A POLITICALLY MOTIVATED INVESTIGATION. NOT A LEGAL ONE. AND SO TO REHASH ALL OF THIS, TO PUT IT IN THE PUBLIC RECORD STARTS TO ESTABLISH THAT PUBLIC RECORD OF POLITICAL INVESTIGATION OR CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION WHICH HAS A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF EVIDENCE, DIFFERENT LEVEL OF — OR DIFFERENT STANDARDS ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULD APPLY IN THIS CASE AND ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF IT IS DOING THIS ALL IN PUBLIC SO THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GET TO HEAR THIS STUFF, EVEN IF IT’S FROM A WITNESS LIKE COHEN AND THE FACT THAT WE SIT HERE TODAY TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT HE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE DONE, REASONS HE MAY HAVE DONE THIS, REHASHING WHETHER OR NOT HE REALLY WANTED A WHITE HOUSE JOB OR NOT IS ALL DESIGNED BY REPUBLICANS TO DISCREDIT COHEN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHILE WE ALSO COVER THE FACT THAT HE IS NOW CONFIRMING PUBLICLY A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. THE STUFF ABOUT HIM BEING RACIST, CON MAN, A LIAR TO HIS WIFE, THAT’S ONE THING. THAT’S A CHARACTER ISSUE. BUT THESE OTHER ISSUES OF POTENTIAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ARE THE FAR MORE SERIOUS ONES AND THE ONES THAT DEMOCRATS ARE EXPECTED TO ULTIMATELY FOCUS ON. >>IT’S INTERESTING BECAUSE SOME SORT OF — THEY REACH A GRAY AREA, FOR INSTANCE, COHEN ALLEGES THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT A STRAW BITTER TO PAY, I BELIEVE, $60,000 FOR A PORTRAIT OF MR. TRUMP THAT JUST BECAUSE HE WANTED IT TO GO FOR THE HIGHEST PRICE AND THEN HE REIMBURSED THAT BIDDER ACCORDING TO MR. COHEN, AGAIN, WITH MONEY FROM THE TRUMP FOUNDATION CHARITY. SO THAT GETS INTO SOME GRAY AREA BETWEEN CHARACTER AND SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF, IF NOT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, BUT SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY IS NOT WHAT THE CHARITY WAS MEANT TO DO. IN ONE EXCHANGE COHEN EXPLAINED HOW — >>THAT’S ALSO, TANYA, IMPORTANTLY, TANYA, THAT IS PART OF AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION LED BY NEW YORK STATE BECAUSE REMEMBER THEY WERE LOOKING AT ONE POINT INTO THE TRUMP FOUNDATION AND THE CHARITY WORK. REMEMBER, HE HELD THAT EVENT DURING THE CAMPAIGN IN DES MOINES WHERE HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DONATE A LOT OF MONEY TO VETERANS. HE NEVER DID IT. THAT LED TO INVESTIGATIONS BY “THE WASHINGTON POST” INTO HOW MONY WAS BEING RAISED, SPENT OR HUSBANDED BY THE CHARITY. THEN THE NEW YORK STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL GOT INVOLVED AND SETTLED WITH THE TRUMP FOUNDATION AND GOT THEM TO DISSOLVE THE FOUNDATION. THAT WAS ALL DONE IN THE LEGAL SPHERE, THIS IS THE POLITICAL SPHERE AND NOW THEY WANT TO PUT THIS ON THE RECORD SO CONGRESS CAN LOOK INTO IT AS WELL. >>ABSOLUTELY. IN ONE EXCHANGE MR. COHEN EXPLAINED HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP INDIRECTLY INSTRUCS HIM TO TELL LIES ABOUT RUSSIA? >>DID THE PRESIDENT IN ANY WAY FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW COACH YOU IN TERMS OF HOW TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS OR THE CONTENT OF YOUR TESTIMONY BEFORE HOUSE COMMITTEE? >>AGAIN, IT’S DIFFICULT TO ANSWER BECAUSE HE DOESN’T TELL YOU WHAT HE WANTS, WHAT HE DOES IS, AGAIN, MICHAEL, THERE’S NO RUSSIA, THERE’S NO COLLUSION, THERE’S NO INVOLVEMENT, THERE’S NO INTERFERENCE. I KNOW WHAT HE MEANS BECAUSE I’VE BEEN AROUND HIM FOR SO LONG. SO IF YOU’RE ASKING ME WHETHER OR NOT THAT’S THE MESSAGE THAT’S STAYING ON POINT, THAT’S THE PARTY LINE THAT HE CREATED, THAT SO MANY OTHERS ARE NOW TOUTING, YES, THAT’S THE MESSAGE THAT HE WANTED TO REINFORCE. >>ED, WHAT DOES THIS TELL US ABOUT HOW THE PRESIDENT CONDUCTS HIS BUSINESS? BECAUSE THAT’S A LITTLE VAGUE AND IT’S CERTAINLY NOT A SMOKING GUN. IN FACT, MR. COHEN AT ONE POINT SAID HE WOULD NOT USE THE WORD COLLUDED TO DESCRIBE THE PRESIDENT AND HIS DEALINGS WITH RUSSIA. SO IS THIS TELLING US REALLY ANYTHING AT ALL, ED? >>SO THERE’S NO PAPER TRAIL, THERE’S NO DIRECT INSTRUCTION TO LIE, THERE’S INFERENCES. SOUNDS LIKE WHAT COHEN IS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT TRUMP IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS SENT A LOT OF TIME WITH LAWYERS AND KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT NOT TO SAY AND HOW TO CONVEY IT TO PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR HIM SO THAT HE AVOIDS ANY POTENTIAL ALLEGATIONS LIKE THE ONES THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO INFER TODAY BECAUSE OF HIS INFERENCES. I THINK IT SPEAKS TO NOT ONLY HIS CHARACTER BUT POTENTIALLY THE PRESIDENT’S MOTIVATIONS AND I THINK ONCE AGAIN SHOWS US THAT THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO IS SAVVY WHEN IT COMES TO LEGAL MATTERS, BUSINESS MATTERS AND HOW TO DIRECT PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR HIM TO GET WHAT HE WANTS. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULDN’T HOLD UP NECESSARILY IN A COURT OF LAW. COHEN INFERRING — OR SAYING THAT TRUMP INFERRED SOMETHING. BUT IN A POLITICAL THEATER LIKE THIS, IT’S EXACTLY THE KIND OF CAT NIP THE DEMOCRATS ARE LOOKING FOR SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE THE CHARGE THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON, INSTRUCTING HIS PEOPLE IN HIS ORBIT TO DO THINGS ON HIS BEHALF THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CRIMINAL OR AT LEAST IMPROPER. >>THAT CERTAINLY WAS A LOT OF POLITICAL THEATER TODAY. CAITLIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY WAS THIS ENTERTAINMENT OR DO YOU THINK SOMETHING DAMAGING REALLY CAME OUT OF THIS IN TERMS OF THE PRESIDENT’S REPUTATION? >>WELL, THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE KNEW, EITHER FROM REPORTING OR FROM THINGS THAT TRUMP HAS TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AND THERE IS AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE BY HIS SUPPORTERS THAT THEY KIND OF KNEW WHO THEY WERE GETTING WHEN THEY ELECTED HIM BUT THAT’S NOT REALLY WHAT INVESTIGATORS ON THESE COMMITTEES ARE LOOKING FOR. THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THINGS TO TAKE BACK AND INVESTIGATE FURTHER. REMEMBER, DEMOCRATS FEEL THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN SIGNIFICANT OVERSIGHT OF TRUMP AND HIS ADMINISTRATION AND EVERYTHING IN HIS ORBIT INCLUDING THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION DURING THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL. THEY NOW HAVE SUBPOENA POWER ON THESE COMMITTEES. THEY NOW ARE IN CHARGE OF THESE COMMITTEES IN TERMS OF BRINGING WITNESSES FORWARD THAT THEY WANT TO TALK TO. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THE CHAIRS OF THESE VARIOUS COMMITTEES, MAXINE WATERS I THINK IS GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT COULD COME OUT OF REFERENCES TO DEUTSCHE BANK, WHAT COULD COME OUT OF TAX RETURNS ON THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE, RICHARD NEAL. SO THERE ARE WAYS THIS INVESTIGATION INTO TRUMP CAN BE EXPANDED AND FURTHER DRAWN OUT AND WHAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO DO IS KIND OF PRE BUTT ALL OF THAT BY DISCREDITING COHEN AND CALLING THIS WHOLE ENTIRE EXERCISE PART OF A GREATER EFFORT TO BRING DOWN DONALD TRUMP. >>BUT ASIDE FOR AN EXPANDED INVESTIGATION INTO DONALD TRUMP ON THE PART OF THE DEMOCRATS AND TO POTENTIALLY CRIMINAL WRONGDOING, THERE DOES SEEM TO BE SOME DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE JUST TO HIS CHARACTER AND I AGREE WITH WHAT ED WAS SAYING EARLIER THAT, YOU KNOW, CHARACTER IS ONE THING, CRIMINAL WRONGDOING IS ANOTHER BUT THIS IS POLITICS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND CHARACTER MATTERS A LOT. SO DO YOU THINK THAT SOME OF WHAT WE LEARNED TODAY FROM — WE DON’T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS TRUE BUT WHAT COHEN ALLEGES THAT TRUMP PRIDED HIMSELF IN DODGING THE DRAFT, HE DIDN’T THINK HE WOULD WIN THE PRESIDENCY, HE USED THREATS TO KEEP HIS ACADEMIC RECORD SECRET, APPARENTLY HE WANTED MR. COHEN TO THREATEN HIS, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONS TO NOT RELEASE HIS S.A.T. SCORES, HE REGULARLY DERIDED AFRICAN-AMERICANS. IF ANY OF THIS IS TRUE IT’S CERTAINLY ANOTHER BLOW TO PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CHARACTER. >>IT DEPENDS. YOU WOULD THINK SO FOR ANOTHER PRESIDENT PERHAPS BUT A LOT OF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN OUT THERE AND LIKE MANY THINGS IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, IT REALLY IS A MATTER OF WHO IS VIEWING THIS AND IT’S OFTEN COMING DOWN ON PARTISAN TERMS. BUT I THINK IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE AND ED MENTIONED THIS AND PAULA DID TOO ABOUT THIS CASE IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE PRESIDENT’S CONTROL. AND SO THERE IS THIS CONCERN THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS THAT’S NOTHING REALLY TO DO WITH THE CHARACTER REFERENCES, ALTHOUGH HE’S VERY DEFENSIVE OF THAT, AND WE CAN IMAGINE THOSE TWEETS ARE COMING AT SOME POINT. HE’S ALSO VERY PROTECTIVE OF HIS CHILDREN, BUT THE CASE THAT IS BEING BROUGHT — THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER, I THINK, IS ALSO THE TOP CONCERN FOR HIM. >>CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR INSIGHT. ED O’KEEFE IN WASHINGTON, THANK YOU. >>>WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MUCH MORE CBSN. STAY WITH US. >>>JOINING ME NOW IS FRANCO OR DORN YESES. HE’S A WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR CLATCHY NEWS. WELCOME. WHEN THE PRESIDENT’S FORMER LAWYER CALLS HIM A RACIST, A CON MAN, A CHEAT, TALKS ABOUT HIS AVOIDING VIETNAM OR NOT WANTING TO BETTER THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WHAT KIND OF POLITICAL IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE ON THE PRESIDENT? >>IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT POLITICAL IMPACT. YOU CAN SEE THAT ALREADY IN THE WHITE HOUSE’S RESPONSE AND PRESIDENT TRUMP’S RESPONSE, LASHING OUT AT TWITTER FROM HANOI, VIETNAM, AT AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT SUMMIT WITH THE NORTH KOREAN LEADER. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE RESPONSES FROM TRUMP’S ALLIES IN THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE INCLUDING THE MINORITY LEADER REPRESENTATIVE JIM JORDAN WHO IS LASHING OUT AND SLASHING AT HIM, AT COHEN, TRYING TO — REPUBLICAN AFTER REPUBLICAN IS COMING TO THE DEFENSE OF TRUMP, BASICALLY TRYING TO TAKE DOWN COHEN. ONE REPUBLICAN EVEN SAYING, LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE. >>THAT WAS A HUMOROUS MOMENT THERE. I KNOW, FRANCO, COHEN SAYS THE PRESIDENT KNEW AHEAD OF TIME ABOUT THE WIKILEAKS DUMP OF HACKED E-MAILS DURING THE 2016 CAMPAIGN. I WANT TO PLAY THE PART OF HIS TESTIMONY RECALLING THAT CALL. LET’S LISTEN. >>IN JULY OF 2016, DAYS BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, I WAS IN MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE WHEN HIS SECRETARY ANNOUNCED THAT ROGER STONE WAS ON THE PHONE. MR. TRUMP PUT MR. STONE ON THE SPEAKERPHONE. MR. STONE TOLD MR. TRUMP THAT HE HAD JUST GOTTEN OFF THE PHONE WITH JULIAN ASSANGE AND THAT MR. ASSANGE TOLD MR. STONE IN A COUPLE OF DAYS THERE WOULD BE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP RESPONDED BY STATING TO THE EFFECT, WOULDN’T THAT BE GREAT? >>SO FRANCO, WILL THAT BE PROBLEMATIC FOR THE PRESIDENT? >>I THINK IT ABSOLUTELY COULD BE. I THINK THERE ARE CERTAINLY QUESTIONS WHETHER HE WOULD BE IN ANY LEGAL JEOPARDY, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY SAID THAT THE PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED. BUT FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT, THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT COULD BE VERY DAMAGING. YOU HAVE THE DEMOCRATS IN THIS HEARING BRINGING THESE POINTS UP, YOU KNOW, REALLY TRYING TO HAMMER THEM HOME FOR VERY MUCH A REASON TO RAISE MANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP. IN ELIJAH CUMMINGS’ OPENING STATEMENT HE SAID CLEARLY THIS COMMITTEE WILL NO LONGER PROTECT AND SURROUND THE WAGONS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. THEY ARE VERY SERIOUS. THEY WANT TO DAMAGE THE PRESIDENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. >>WHEN IT COMES TO DAMAGING THE PRESIDENT, COHEN DIDN’T REALLY SEEM TO HAVE ANY SMOKING GUN. HE DID SAY HE WOULD NOT USE THE WORD COLLUDED TO DESCRIBE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND RUSSIA. HOW SIGNIFICANT IS THAT? >>I THINK THAT WILL TELL. I WAS DEFINITELY LISTENING TO THAT VERY CLOSELY AS WELL WHEN HE WAS PRESSED ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS COLLUSION BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE RUSSIANS, AS YOU JUST NOTED, COHEN SAID, I WOULD NOT USE THE WORD COLLUDED IN HIS OPENING STATEMENT. HE SAID HE HAD SUSPICIONS, BUT CONSIDERING HOW MUCH STUFF THAT COHEN DOES HAVE, THE ALLEGATIONS THAT HE DID MAKE, THE 100 RECORDINGS THAT HE SAYS HE HAS FOR HIM NOT TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP COLLUDED I THINK DOES RAISE SIGNIFICANT QUESTIONS AND IS AN OPENING FOR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE WHITE HOUSE TO SHED SOME — YOU KNOW, TO CREATE SPACE THERE AND TO AY, CONTINUE TO HAMMER HOME THAT THEY DID NOT COLLUDE. >>RIGHT AND AT THE SAME TIME THE PRESIDENT TODAY ACCUSED COHEN OF LYING, AS DID ALL THE REPUBLICANS ON THE COMMITTEE, AS YOU MENTIONED, WHO INTERVIEWED HIM. TO REDUCE HIS SENTENCE, BUT HOW IS THE WHITE HOUSE TRYING TO REALLY PUSH BACK ON COHEN’S TESTIMONY? >>WELL, THEY ARE GOING FULL BORE IN TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CUT HIS CREDIBILITY. WE MENTIONED THE TWEET EARLIER TODAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN TWEETING NONSTOP ABOUT THIS. NOT NECESSARILY IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, BUT HE HAS BEEN TWEETING ENOUGH TO CUT INTO THE CREDIBILITY OF MICHAEL COHEN, STAFFERS HAVE BEEN RAISING THOSE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, HIS ALLIES IN THE GOVERNMENT ON BOTH ENDS OF PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE HAVE BEEN RAISING THESE QUESTIONS. AND JUST AGAIN, ON THE — YOU KNOW, IN THAT HEARING, COHEN NOTED THAT NOT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN HAD ASKED HIM A QUESTION ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP HIMSELF. ALL OF THE QUESTIONS WERE ABOUT COHEN AND HIS CREDIBILITY. I AM NOT SURE IF THAT WAS EXACTLY FULLY THE CASE BUT I THINK IT IS SIGNIFICANT HOW MUCH THEY WERE KIND OF JUST WORKING TO DAMAGE HIS CREDIBILITY AS OPPOSED TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT. >>YEAH, LISTENING TO THE TESTIMONY A LITTLE BIT LIKE GETTING WHIPLASH, YOU KNOW, ONE SET OF QUESTIONS IS ALL ABOUT COHEN, THE OTHER ALL ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP. SO HOW DOES THE WHITE HOUSE THEN EXPLAIN PRESIDENT TRUMP EMPLOYING COHEN FOR 10 YEARS? >>WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAYS IS THAT COHEN WAS ONE OF MANY LAWYERS. THEY DIMINISH HOW MUCH OF A ROLE COHEN HAD. THEY TALK ABOUT HOW HE REALLY DIDN’T DO TOO MUCH. WE HAVE HEARD THESE KIND OF THINGS BEFORE ABOUT DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO WERE A PART OF THE TRUMP CLAN OR PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION. THE PRESIDENT, WHEN HE’S IN FAVOR WILL SAY HOW GREAT THESE PEOPLE ARE. BUT AFTER THEY LEAVE OR AFTER QUESTIONS ARISE, THE NARRATIVE OFTEN WILL CHANGE AND IN THIS CASE IT’S ONE OF THOSE WHERE THEY WILL DIMINISH THE ROLE THAT THEY HAD. WE HAVE HEARD THIS ABOUT DIFFERENT MEMBERS WHO HAVE WRITTEN BOOKS THAT KIND OF ATTACK THE PRESIDENT. HE HAS LITERALLY SAID THAT COHEN HAD A SMALL ROLE, HE WAS ONE OF MANY, NOT PART OF BIG THINGS AND THAT ALL OF THIS THAT IS HAPPENING IS SIMPLY RELATED TO THINGS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP, HE SAYS, AND HE JUST WANTS TO CUT HIS SENTENCE. AS YOU HAD NOTED EARLIER. >>RIGHT. AND FRANCO, MEANWHILE, THE HOUSE VOTED TUESDAY TO BLOCK PRESIDENT TRUMP’S EMERGENCY DECLARATION. IT NOW HEADS TO THE SENATE WHERE A NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS WOULD HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT FOR IT TO MOVE ON. IF IT DOES PASS THE SENATE, WHAT WOULD THAT ADMONISHMENT MEAN FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP? >>IT WOULD BE AN EXTREME EMBARRASSMENT FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP ON HIS SIGNATURE ISSUE OF A BORDER WALL. AS YOU NOTE, IT PASSED THE HOUSE, NOW IN FRONT OF THE SENATE. THE ONLY FOUR REPUBLICANS NEED TO SIDE WITH DEMOCRATS IN ORDER TO SET THIS UP FOR A VETO FOR TRUMP. THREE HAVE ALREADY INDICATED THAT THEY WILL VOTE AGAINST IT. THOM TILLIS, LISA MURKOWSKI, SUSAN COLLINS AND THERE ARE PLENTY MORE I WOULD KEEP AN EYE ON WHO HAVE EXPRESSED STRONG RES VEGAS ABOUT IT, RAND PAUL FOR ONE AND KEEP AN EYE ON MITCH McCONNELL TOO WHO HAS, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT AN UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHETHER THERE’S LEGALITY FOR T HE SAYS HE’S SEEN THE JURY STILL OUT ON THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK — I PRESUME, CONSIDERING HE’S BEEN BACKING TRUMP, THAT HE WOULD, BUT IT’S GOING TO BE A VERY INTERESTING THING, WHAT THE — WHAT CONGRESS DOES HERE, WHAT THE SENATE DOES HERE AND TRUMP DOES NOT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN, WHICH IS WHY HE SENT PENCE YESTERDAY TO THE HILL TO RALLY THE TROOPS AND MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WHERE TRUMP STANDS AND THEY EXPECT THEM TO STAND WITH HIM. >>BECAUSE OF COURSE THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID IF IT DOES PASS, HE WILL VETO IT AND LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE DOESN’T APPEAR TO HAVE THE SUPPORT TO OVERSIDE A PRESIDENTIAL VETO. SO WHAT WOULD ALL OF THAT MEAN FOR THE PRESIDENT’S EFFORTS TO BUILD THE WALL? HE WOULD VETO THIS IF IT PASSES THE SENATE AND THEN WHAT? THE WALL STARTS GETTING FINISHED OR DID THERE CONTINUE TO BE THE LEGAL CHALLENGES THAT WILL SLOW IT DOWN? >>WE WILL ABSOLUTELY CONTINUE TO SEE MORE LEGAL CHALLENGES. YOU KNOW, JUST BEFORE THE NATIONAL — BEFORE PRESIDENT TRUMP DECLARED THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY, MY SOURCES WERE TELLING ME THAT THE LEGAL CHALLENGES WERE ALREADY WRITTEN AND TO BE SURE WITHIN HOURS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP ANNOUNCING THIS, WE SAW THOSE CHALLENGES STARTING TO MATERIALIZE IN THE COURTS FROM STATES, FROM DIFFERENT INTEREST GROUPS WHO HAVE BIG CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, EXPECT MORE FROM LANDOWNERS IN TEXAS WHO CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT THEIR LAND TO BE TAKEN. THIS IS GOING TO BE A BATTLE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WHEN I TALKED TO MY SOURCES WHO ARE KIND OF EXPERTS IN ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS THE COURTS, THEY DO NOT EXPECT THIS TO BE ACTUALLY GET TO THE SUPREME COURT, WHICH IS WHERE THEY THINK IT WILL ULTIMATELY END UNTIL POSSIBLY NEXT YEAR. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, IT COULD BE NO WALL AS REALLY IT HEATS UP FOR 2020 GENERALLY ELECTION CAMPAIGN AND THAT WILL BE A DIFFICULT POSITION FOR TRUMP TO BE IN WHEN HE’S TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS AGAIN. >>INDEED. FRANCO ORDONEZ, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. >>THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. >>WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MUCH MORE CBSN. STAY WITH US. >>>PRESIDENT TRUMP AND NORTH KOREA’S KIM JONG-UN BEGAN THEIR SECOND SUMMIT TODAY IN VIETNAM. THE TWO EXCHANGED PLEASANTRIES BEFORE HAVING DINNER TOGETHER. SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO AND ACTING CHIEF OF STAFF MICK MULVANEY WERE ALSO THERE. THE U.S. IS SEEKING FULL DENUCLEARIZATION OF NORTH KOREA, WHICH IT ASKED FOR AT LAST YEAR’S SUMMIT. NORTH KOREA WANTS THE U.S. TO LIFT SANCTIONSAND POSSIBLY REMOVE TROOPS FROM THE KOREAN PENINSULA. IN BRIEF COMMENTS TODAY THE PRESIDENT PRAISED THE ECONOMIC POTENTIAL OF NORTH KOREA. >>AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES AND I SAY IT TO THE PRESS, I SAY IT TO EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO LISTEN, I THINK THAT YOUR COUNTRY HAS TREMENDOUS ECONOMIC POTENTIAL, UNBELIEVABLE, UNLIMITED, AND I THINK THAT YOU WILL HAVE A TREMENDOUS FUTURE WITH YOUR COUNTRY, YOU’RE A GREAT LEADER AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT YOU MADE HAPPEN AND HELPING IT TO HAPPEN AND WE WILL HELP IT TO HAPPEN. >>AFTER THE SITDOWN, THE PRESIDENT TWEETED, QUOTE, GREAT MEETINGS AND DINNER TONIGHT IN VIETNAM WITH KIM JONG-UN OF NORTH KOREA. VERY GOOD DIALOGUE. RESUMING TOMORROW. JOINING ME NOW FROM WASHINGTON IS LISA COLLINS, A FELLOW WITH THE KOREA CHAIR AT THE CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES. I WANT TO BRING IN ROBERT CARLIN, A CBS NEWS CONSULTANT AND FORMER INTELLIGENCE AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT. LISA AND ROBERT, WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU. SHOULD NORTH KOREA’S ECONOMIC POTENTIAL AS THE PRESIDENT SAID, PLAY ANY ROLE IN THESE TALKS? >>I THINK NORTH KOREA CERTAINLY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO OPEN UP ITS ECONOMY AFTER DENUCLEARIZATION HAPPENS BUT THE U.S. IS REALLY LOOKING FOR NORTH KOREA TO PUT FORWARD SOME CONCRETE EVIDENCE THAT IT IS GOING TO DISMANTLE ITS NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM EVENTUALLY AND THAT’S WHAT THE U.S. WORKING LEVEL OFFICIALS ARE WORKING VERY HARD TO GET IN A JOINT STATEMENT ON THE GROUND IN HANOI TODAY. >>ROBERT, HOW SHOULD THE U.S. APPROACH THESE NEGOTIATIONS, THIS SECOND SUMMIT COMPARED WITH LAST YEAR’S SUMMIT? >>LAST YEAR’S SUMMIT WAS INTENDED TO FRAME THE PROBLEM TO AGREE ON SOME PRINCIPALS AND SOME COMMON THEMES. IT DID THAT AND SO IN THE NATURAL PROGRESSION OF THINGS THIS SUMMIT, THIS ROUND OF NEGOTIATIONS WILL BEGIN TO GET MORE SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF THE CHOREOGRAPHY AND THE ROUTE THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME TO REACH THE END POINT FOR EACH SIDE. >>SO THIS WILL BE A BABY STEP AS IT WERE. LISA, WHAT, IF ANY, SUBSTANTIVE STEPS SHOULD THE U.S. DEMAND NORTH KOREA TAKE TOWARD DENUCLEARIZATION OUT OF THIS SUMMIT. >>US UNITED STATES WILL ASK THERE BE INTERNATIONAL INSPECTORS ALLOWED TO ENTER THE COUNTRY TO LOOK AT CERTAIN SITES. THEY SHOULD ALSO REQUEST THE CHECKING OF NORTH KOREA’S URANIUM ENRICHMENT AND PLUTONIUM PRODUCTION FACILITIES. THAT IS ONE THING THAT WOULD BE NEW FROM THIS SUMMIT IF IT WERE ACHIEVED, WOULD BE THE VERSION OF URANIUM ENRICHMENT PROGRAMS AND I THINK THE U.S. WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING FOR BALLISTIC MISSILE PRODUCTION FACILITIES THAT THEY COULD ALSO BE — THAT CULD BE VERIFIED ON THE GROUND INSIDE THE COUNTRY. >>AND IS NORTH KOREA, LISA, LIKELY TO ACCEPT ANY OF THOSE STEPS? >>IT’S HARD TO SAY AT THIS POINT. I THINK THERE ARE SOME MINOR CONCESSIONS THAT NORTH KOREA MAY BE WILLING TO AGREE TO AND THAT WOULD BE, OF COURSE, ALLOWING SOME INSPECTORS INTO YOUNG PYEONG,THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS COMING OUT OF HANOI THIS IS SOMETHING ON THE TABLE BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES. THAT IF THAT DID HAPPEN IT WOULD BE A HOPEFUL FIRST STEP BUT IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW MUCH OF YOUNG GUN, THE ENTIRE FACILITY IS VERY LARGE, HOW MUCH OF THAT ENTIRE LOCATION THE NORTH KOREANS WOULD OPEN UP TO INSPECTORS AND WHAT THEY WOULD ALLOW TO BE CHECKED ONCE THERE. >>AND, ROBERT, KIM JONG-UN IS WITHDRAW TROOPS FROM SOUTH KOREA. IS THERE ANY SITUATION IN WHICH THE U.S. WOULD DO THAT? >>I DON’T THINK KIM JONG-UN IS GOING TO ASK SUCH A THING. IT’S MY SENSE OVER MANY, MANY YEARS THAT THE NORTH KOREANS DON’T WANT US TO WITHDRAW OUR TROOPS. THIS GOES AGAINST THE COMMON WISDOM, I KNOW. BUT WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE TALKING TO THE NORTH KOREANS ABOUT THIS AND IT’S MY FIRM UNDERSTANDING IS THEY DON’T WANT US TO GO, THEY WANT US TO STAY AND IF WE WERE TO PULL OUT, THEY WOULDN’T BE THE HAPPIEST CAMPERS. >>WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY WANT TROOPS TO STAY, U.S. TROOPS TO STAY IN SOUTH KOREA? >>THEY WANT TO BALANCE AGAINST CHINESE INFLUENCE. THE IDEA THAT THE CHINESE AND THE NORTH KOREANS ARE BLOOD BROTHERS AND HAVE — AND VIEW THE WORLD IN THE SAME WAY IS A BIG MISTAKE. THE NORTH KOREANS HAVE THEIR OWN EQUITIES, THEIR OWN SENSE OF THEIR HISTORY AND THEIR PLACE IN THE WORLD AND THEY DON’T WANT TO BE DOMINATED BY THE CHINESE. THEY DON’T WANT TO HAVE A HOSTILE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHINESE, BUT THEY DON’T TRUST THE CHINESE AND IT’S FOR A LONG TIME THEY HAVE THOUGHT THAT THE AMERICANS COULD PLAY THE ROLE AS THE BUFFER TO HELP PROTECT THEM AGAINST CHINESE AGGRESSION OF DIFFERENT SORTS, YEAH. >>INTERESTING. SO LISA, THE PRESIDENT TWEETED CHINA, RUSSIA, JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA WILL BE VERY HELPFUL. HOW DO THOSE COUNTRIES FACTOR INTO THE RELATIONSHIP WITH NORTH KOREA AS MUCH AS IT STANDS WITH THE U.S.? >>WELL, I THINK, OF COURSE, ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO SECURING A PEACEFUL KOREAN PENINSULA, SO I THINK THEY WOULD BE INVOLVED POLITICALLY. I THINK THEY WOULD ALSO BE INVOLVED ULTIMATELY ECONOMICALLY. THERE WERE REPORTS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THAT SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE STEVE VEGAN WAS VISITING SOME OF THE COUNTRIES ASKING TO SEE IF THERE WERE ECONOMIC AID PACKAGES WE COULD PUT TOGETHER TO ULTIMATELY ENTICE THE NORTH KOREANS TO GIVE UP SOME OF THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND DISMANTLE THEIR PROGRAMS SO THEY WOULD BE PART OF A ECONOMIC PACKAGE DEAL LATER ON THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED IF THERE IS VERIFIABLE DENUCLEARIZATION. >>LISA COLLINS AND ROBERT CARLIN, THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >>THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU. >>>THE SUMMIT IN HANOI IS BRINGING BACK MEMORIES OF THE CITY AS IT WAS DECADES AGO DURING THE VIETNAM WAR. JEFF GLOR TAKES A LOOK BACK AT ONE OF THE FIRST CONFLICTS EVER BROADCAST ON TV. >>THEY ARE THE FIRST ACTUAL GROUND COMBAT TROOPS TO ENTER THE COUNTRY. >>ON MARCH 8th, 1965, CAMERAS WERE ROLLING AS U.S. MARINES LANDED IN D’NAE. >>THEY WERE COMBAT READY WHEN THEY LANDED. >>Reporter: FOR THE FIRST TIME ON A REGULAR BASIS NEWS FROM THE FRONT LINES MADE ITS WAY INTO LIVING ROOMS ACROSS AMERICA. >>WE ARE WEARING THE BLACK VESTS. >>Reporter: WALTER CRONKITE GAVE US A LOOK FROM THE SKY. >>WOW. >>THE POWER TROOPERS ARE MOVING OUT MORE AND MORE EVERY DAY, GETTING A FEEL OF THE COUNTRY. >>Reporter: MORELY SAFER DOCUMENTED THE SOUNDS. AND PEOPLE — >>THIS IS WHAT THE WAR IN VIETNAM IS ALL ABOUT. THE OLD AND THE VERY YOUNG. >>Reporter: THE HORROR ON THE GROUND. REALITIES OF WAR MINUS THE FOG. MORE THAN 58,000 AMERICANS WERE KILLED OVER TWO DECADES DURING THE VIETNAM WAR, INCLUDING THOSE WHO COVERED IT. NINE CBS NEWS EMPLOYEES DIED, 33 OTHERS WERE WOUNDED. >>THERE ARE SIX MEN IN THE SMALL TRENCH AND TWO OF THE MEN WOUNDED, ONE A CBSN SOUND TECHNICIAN. >>Reporter: ED BRADLEY WAS HIT BY GUN SHRAPNEL. >>SIX EMPLOYEES OF CBS NEWS WERE CLUBBED, BEATEN AND DRIVEN BACK BY POLICE. >>Reporter: TOWARD THE END THIS, THIS, ONE OF THE MOST UNFORGETTABLE MOMENTS IN NEWS HISTORY. >>THE STAMPEDE OF TERRORIZED PEOPLE TRIED TO STORM THE PLAIN. >>Reporter: BRUCE DUNNING’S 1975 REPORT ON THE LAST PLANE OUT OF D’NAE AS THE CITY FELL TO NORTH VIETNAMESE TROOPS. >>AS MEN CLAMORED OVER ONE ANOTHER PUSHING ASIDE WOMEN AND CHILDREN, IN THEIR PANIC STRICKEN FURRY. >>Reporter: DESERTERS SHOVED AND SHOVED THEIR WAY ONTO A PLANE MENT FOR CHILDREN. >>FIGHT OFF THEIR FRIENDS AND RELATIVES TO GET ON, THE HARD WORKING CABIN CREW TOOK A COUNT. 268 PEOPLE WERE ON BOARD, AMONG THEM FIVE WOMEN AND TWO OR THREE SMALL CHILDREN. >>>COMING UP AFTER A BREAK, MICHAEL COHEN TOLD LAWMAKERS HE’S ASHAMED OF COVERING UP THE PRESIDENT’S ALLEGED CRIMINAL ACTS. YOU’RE STREAMING CBSN, CBS NEWS, ALWAYS ON. >>>MICHAEL COHEN DELIVERED AN EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY BEFORE CONGRESS TODAY LAYING OUT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ALLEGED CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES WHILE IN OFFICE. THE PRESIDENT’S FORMER LAWYER AND FIXER HAS ADMITTED TO LYING TO CONGRESS BEFORE BUT NOW HE SAYS HE’S TELLING THE TRUTH. COHEN EVEN PROVIDED DOCUMENTATION THAT HE SAYS BACKS UP HIS CLAIMS. >>WHAT YOU’RE DEALING WITH IN MR. COHEN’S PLEA OF GUILTY WAS THE FACT THAT IT IS SAID IN THE INFORMATION, CAPITAL I, THAT WAS FILED BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK THAT HE DID ALL OF HIS ACTIONS WITH RESPECT TO HUSH MONEY AT THE DIRECTION OF INDIVIDUAL ONE, WHO HE IDENTIFIES COMPLETELY IN THIS HEARING, HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, LET’S NOT FORGET INDIVIDUAL ONE IS IN FACT DONALD TRUMP AND THAT WAS NOT HIDDEN. THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT QUESTION OF IF DONALD TRUMP DURING THE CAMPAIGN, AND WE HAVEN’T GOTTEN TO PRESIDENT TRUMP YET, DIRECTED MICHAEL COHEN ON THE EVE OF THE ELECTION AFTER THE “ACCESS HOLLYWOOD” TAPE HAD COME PUBLIC, THAT HE WANTED THESE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS PAID, THAT IT WAS A CRIME BECAUSE IT WAS AGAINST THE FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION RULES BECAUSE IT WOULD DIRECTLY AFFECT THE ELECTION. >>SO THEN IS THE DATE ON THE CHECKS THAT THE PRESIDENT WROTE FOR MR. COHEN SIGNIFICANT? >>YES, BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN 2016. IT IS IN FACT IN 2017 WHEN HE IS ALREADY PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. SO UNLESS MR. TRUMP HAS SOME FEASIBLE REASON AS TO WHY HE SENT A CHECK, GAVE A CHECK OF $30,000 TO MICHAEL COHEN IN MARCH OF 2017 WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT, IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER PAYMENTS THAT MR. COHEN RECEIVED FOR THE COURSE OF A YEAR FOR HIM TO BE REPAID PLUS, SO HE GOT LIKE A BONUS PLUS, ACCORDING TO MR. COHEN, DO YOU ACCEPT THIS CHECK, PLUS THE ONE THAT WAS SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP, JR. AND ALLEN WEISSELBERG WHO REALLY WAS THE MAN WITH THE CHECKBOOK WITHOUT MORE CORROBORATION BECAUSE ALLEN WEISSELBERG WAS GIVEN IMMUNITY. >>AND LAWMAKERS SAY THEY WANT TO HEAR FROM WEISSELBERG. >>SO YOU HAVE CHECKS THAT COULD BE IN REPAYMENT OR YOU HAVE CHECKS FROM MICHAEL COHEN’S OTHER LEGAL WORK SO ALLEN WEISSELBERG BECOMES REALLY IMPORTANT NOT ONLY TO THIS COMMITTEE, I WOULD THINK TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. >>ABSOLUTELY. AND I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT COHEN SAID ABOUT THE WIKILEAKS DUMP AND WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT, VIS-A-VIS ROGER STONE. WE DO HAVE THE SOUND BYTE TO PLAY OF — ON WIKILEAKS AND ASSANGE. LET’S LISTEN. >>IN JULY OF 2016, DAYS BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, I WAS IN MR. TRUMP’S OFFICE WHEN HIS SECRETARY ANNOUNCED THAT ROGER STONE WAS ON THE PHONE. MR. TRUMP PUT MR. STONE ON THE SPEAKERPHONE. MR. STONE TOLD MR. TRUMP THAT HE HAD JUST GOTTEN OFF THE PHONE WITH JULIAN ASSANGE, AND THAT MR. ASSANGE TOLD MR. STONE THAT WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS THERE WOULD BE A MASSIVE DUMP OF E-MAILS THAT WOULD DAMAGE HILLARY CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN. MR. TRUMP RESPONDED BY STATING TO THE EFFECT, WOULDN’T THAT BE GREAT? >>NOW, PAULA, THE STATEMENT IS INTERESTING ON A LOT OF LEVELS BUT NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH BECAUSE ROGER STONE HAS REPORTEDLY RESPONDED TO WHAT MICHAEL COHEN SAID TODAY; IS THAT RIGHT? AND IF SO, IS THAT IN VIOLATION OF HIS GAG ORDER? >>IT CERTAINLY APPEARED TO BE. HE WAS HIT WITH A PRETTY RESTRICTIVE GAG ORDER LAST WEEK BY A JUDGE WHO SAID YOU CANNOT DISCUSS YOUR CASE. PART OF HIS CASE IS NOT BEING FULLY HONEST WITH CONGRESS ABOUT WIKILEAKS. I’LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE JUDGE WHETHER HE JUST VIOLATED HIS GAG ORDER BUT THESE CLAIMS RAISE A LOT OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE COHEN’S TESTIMONY DOES NOT MATCH WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID PUBLICLY. AND WHILE IT IS NOT A CRIME TO LIE TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WIKILEAKS, DUMPING E- MAILS, IT IS A CRIME TO LIE TO FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS AND SOURCES HAVE TOLD ME THAT IN HIS WRITTEN ANSWERS TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S QUESTIONS, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ABOUT WIKILEAKS MATCHES PUBLIC STATEMENTS SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE POSSIBILITY, THIS IS WHY COHEN IS RAISING THIS, THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE PRESIDENT MAY HAVE LIED TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, BUT JUST BECAUSE COHEN SAID SOMETHING HAPPENED ONE WAY, THAT DOESN’T ESTABLISH ANYTHING AT ALL. WHAT COHEN IS DOING IS HE IS GIVING HOUSE DEMOCRATS A ROAD MAP TO FOLLOW AND NOW SEEK OUT CORROBORATION FOR HIS STORY. >>NOW, IN ANOTHER EXCHANGE, COHEN EXPLAINED HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP INDIRECTLY INSTRUCTS HIM TO TELL LIES ON HIS BEHALF. LET’S LISTEN TO THAT. WE MAY NOT HAVE THAT SOUND BYTE JUST YET. BUT HE DID TALK ABOUT HOW THE PRESIDENT NEVER DIRECTLY TELLS HIM TO LIE, BUT THAT IT IS IMPLICIT IN HIS ACTIONS WHAT HE WANTS COHEN TO DO. SO RIKKI, I’M CURIOUS IN A LEGAL ASPECT, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN’T SEEM TO HOLD WATER. YOU CAN’T IMPLY SOMETHING, CAN YOU, LEGALLY? >>WELL, YOU CAN. IT DOESN’T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT COMES UP TO A CRIME. WE HAVE A LOT OF INFERENCE HERE. MICHAEL COHEN IS SAYING, LOOK, IF YOU’VE BEEN AROUND MR. TRUMP AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN AROUND MR. TRUMP, YOU KNOW WHEN HE IS DIRECTING YOU TO DO SOMETHING. THAT MAY GIVE YOU ECHOES YOU MAY REMEMBER OF JAMES COMEY’S TESTIMONY BACK WHEN IT WAS IN CONGRESS, AND HE SAID HOW HE INTERPRETED SOMETHING THE PRESIDENT SAID ABOUT MICHAEL FLYNN, DID HE TAKE IT THAT — TO BE NICE TO MICHAEL FLYNN OR GOOD TO MICHAEL FLYNN, THAT THAT WAS AN ORDER. WELL, IS IT BEAUTY IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER? DON’T YOU NEED MORE? DON’T YOU NEED A REAL AGREEMENT? BUT IT IS NOT JUST THAT COMMENT ALONE. MICHAEL COHEN SAYING, I KNEW WHAT HE MEANT, HE KEPT SAYING THAT PUBLICLY THAT WE WERE NOT INVOLVED IN RUSSIA AND HE WAS SAYING IT DURING THE CAMPAIGN, SO I KNEW THAT WHAT HE REALLY WANTED ME TO DO WAS TO FOLLOW HIS DIRECTIONS. NOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP CAN SIMPLY SAY, I CAN SAY ANYTHING I WANT IN THE CAMPAIGN AND FRANKLY THAT’S HOW I REMEMBERED IT AND MICHAEL COHEN’S DECISION TO LIE IS ALL HIS OWN. >>WE SHOULD REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS NEVER HAD TO SAY ANYTHING UNDER OATH, AT LEAST NOT TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE KNOW OF SO FAR. >>RIGHT. AND WE DON’T LIKE THE FACT THAT OUR LEADERS IN OFFICE MIGHT LIE TO US ON ANY BASIS, LET ALONE A REGULAR BASIS, BUT LYING TO THE PUBLIC IS NOT A CRIME. >>RIGHT. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, CAITLIN, THE BUSINESS DEALINGS THAT MICHAEL COHEN MAY HAVE REVEALED OR SOME OF THE NEFARIOUS DEALINGS HE ALLEGES THE TRUMP FAMILY MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN. THERE’S A BYTE WHERE HE TALKED ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW AND HOW HE LIED ABOUT THAT AND ADMITTED THAT. LET’S LISTEN. >>WAS IVANKA, JARED OR DON JUNIOR STILL INVOLVED IN THE RUSSIAN TOWER DEAL AT THAT TIME? >>THE COMPANY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL WHICH MEANT THAT THE FAMILY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL. >>IF MR. TRUMP AND HIS DAUGHTER IVANKA AND SON DONALD JUNIOR ARE INVOLVED IN THE RUMP — IN THE RUSSIAN TRUMP TOWER DEAL, IS IT POSSIBLE THE WHOLE FAMILY IS CONFLICTED OR COMPROMISED WITH A FOREIGN ADVERSARY IN THE MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION? >>YES. >>SO CAITLIN, COHEN IS IMPLICATING THE ENTIRE TRUMP FAMILY. THAT MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HEARD THAT. WE KNOW TRUMP JUNIOR HAS COME UNDER SPECULATION BUT THIS INCLUDES IVANKA, JARED, THE ENTIRE FAMILY. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? >>IMPORTANT FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, IVANKA WORKS IN THIS WHITE HOUSE CURRENTLY, AND, TWO, WE KNOW THE PRESIDENT IS VERY PROTECTIVE OF HIS CHILDREN, EVEN AS MR. COHEN DETAILED THE WAYS IN WHICH DONALD TRUMP HAS TALKED UNFAVORABLY ABOUT HIS OWN SON, HE IS VERY PROTECTIVE OF HIS DAUGHTER ESPECIALLY. SO WHAT WOULD THIS PROMPT TRUMP TO DO? I THINK IT’S INTERESTING TO LOOK AT ALL THE POLITICS BEING PLAYED HERE. >>YES. >>THIS IS A TALE OF TWO COMMITTEE HEARINGS REALLY. YOU HAVE REPUBLICANS ON ONE SIDE WORKING OVERTIME REALLY TO TRY TO DISCREDIT MICHAEL COHEN AND TO PRESENT HIM AS AN UNCREDIBLE WITNESS, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE IS ALSO INVOLVED IN ANOTHER CASE, OF COURSE, IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT, AND HE HASN’T BEEN ABLE TO SAY SOME THINGS AND DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO GET MORE ANSWERS FROM HIM AROUND THESE BUSINESS DEALINGS, AROUND THAT TRUMP TOWER MEETING, AROUND THIS PAYMENT, AND SO, YOU KNOW, MICHAEL COHEN HAS LIED BEFORE, HE IS GOING TO JAIL AS HE NOTED, AND REPUBLICANS ARE KIND OF TRYING TO SHOW THAT WHY SHOULD WE TRUST THIS PERSON. HOWEVER, THAT COULD HAVE A BACK FIRING EFFECT BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE ACTUALLY ASKED HIM SOME PRETTY SALACIOUS QUESTIONS THAT HE’S ANSWERED ABOUT A LOVE CHILD, ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN ACCUSED OR RUMORED TO BE DOING. HE SHOT THOSE DOWN. SO IS HE CREDIBLE THEN? >>AND AT THIS POINT WHAT MOTIVATION WOULD HE HAVE TO LIE? >>RIGHT. >>IT DOESN’T SEEM LIKE HE WOULD HAVE MUCH. HE COULD GET INTO MORE TROUBLE IF HE KEPT LYING, CORRECT? >>WELL, HE’S ALREADY GOING TO PRISON FOR FRAUD AND LYING AND THEN HE’S GOING TO PRISON FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. SO HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE. ALL HE’S LOOKING AT IF HE LIES IS MORE TIME. SO THE ARGUMENT, OBVIOUSLY, FROM THE DEMOCRATS’ POINT OF VIEW IS HE’S THE ONE WHO REALLY UNDERSTANDS IT’S NOT THAT HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE. HE HAS EVERYTHING TO LOSE IF HE LIES. >>YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT ALL OF THESE COLORFUL DETAILS THAT ARE COMING OUT, SOME OF WHICH ARE SALACIOUS. HE AT ONE POINT TALKED ABOUT AN ELEVATOR TAPE THAT HE DOESN’T BELIEVE EXISTS BUT IT’S — IT’S QUITE SOMETHING TO HEAR ABOUT. LET’S LISTEN. >>I’M TOLD WE DO HAVE IT. IT’S COMING IN JUST A SECOND. >>THERE’S AN ELEVATOR TAPE THAT WENT UP FOR AUCTION IN 2016; IS THAT CORRECT? >>YES, I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS. >>AND WHO IS ON THAT TAPE? >>IT’S MR. TRUMP WITH MELANIA. >>AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT TAPE? >>THE STORY GOES THAT HE STRUCK MELANIA WHILE IN THAT ELEVATOR BECAUSE THERE’S A CAMERA INSIDE, WHICH I’M NOT SO SURE — ACTUALLY, I’M CERTAIN IT’S NOT TRUE. I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT TAPE FOR YEARS. I HAVE KNOWN FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE INCLUDING FOLKS FROM AMI WHO HAVE — >>BUT THERE WAS SOME TAPE THAT WENT UP FOR AUCTION, CORRECT? >>I DON’T BELIEVE THAT AUCTION WAS REAL AND I DON’T BELIEVE ANYBODY — I DON’T BELIEVE MR. TRUMP EVER STRUCK MRS. TRUMP, EVER. I DON’T BELIEVE IT. >>AND ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYONE PURCHASING THAT TAPE, THEN? >>I DON’T BELIEVE IT WAS EVER — >>YOU NEVER SAW THIS TAPE? >>NO, MA’AM, AND I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO WENT TO GO TRY TO PURCHASE IT FOR CATCH AND KILL PURPOSE. IT DOESN’T EXIST. AND MR. TRUMP WOULD NEVER, IN MY OPINION, IT’S — THAT’S NOT SOMETHING HE WOULD DO. >>GOOD TO KNOW. >>PAULA, EVEN THOUGH COHEN DENIED THE EXISTENCE OF THIS TAPE, WE ARE HEARING ABOUT IT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, THESE ARE THE KIND OF DIRTY DETAILS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE CANNOT BE HAPPY ABOUT. >>CERTAINLY, ALTHOUGH AT LEAST COHEN DID VOUCH FOR THE PRESIDENT’S CHARACTER THAT EVEN THOUGH HE CALLED HIS RACIST AND A FRAUD AND ALLEGED THAT ENGAGED IN CRIMINAL CONSPIRACIES, SAYING HE DOESN’T BELIEVE HE WOULD BEAT HIS WIFE. ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THINGS THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS HEARING, REPUBLICANS WERE SUCCESSFUL IN ATTACKING COHEN’S CREDIBILITY. WE KNEW HE WAS A LIAR BEFORE THIS HEARING BECAUSE HE’S BEEN CONVICTED OF LYING TO CONGRESS, GOVERNMENT, AND BANKS. BUT THEY WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN ATTACKING THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT HE SAID. AND HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE WALKING AWAY FROM THIS HEARING AT THE END OF THE DAY WITH ALL OF THESE NEW LEADS AND WAYS TO INVESTIGATE THE PRESIDENT AND ONE OF THE MOST SHOCKING THINGS THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS HEARING IS THE FACT THAT COHEN SAYS THERE WERE MORE ALLEGATIONS OF CRIMINAL WRONGDOING THAT HE CAN’T DISCUSS. IN FACT, SPECIFICALLY HE WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS LAST CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT. HE SAID THE LAST TIME HE TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT WAS SHORTLY AFTER HIS HOME AND OFFICES WERE RAIDED. BUT HE SAID HE COULD NOT REVEAL WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION BY FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN MANHATTAN. AND I HAVE CONSISTENTLY SAID IN MY REPORTING, I BELIEVE IT’S THAT INVESTIGATION IN MANHATTAN LOOKING AT CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS, LOOKING AT ALL THE NONRUSSIA-RELATED CRIMINAL QUESTIONS, THAT POSES THE BIGGEST LEGAL THREAT TO THE PRESIDENT. >>RICE, WOULD YOU AGREE? I SEE YOU NODDING YOUR HEAD HERE. >>100% OF THE TIME AGREE WITH PAULA REID ANYWAY. WE BOTH LOOK AT THINGS THE SAME WAY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT’S HAPPENING IN NEW YORK, YOU NOT ONLY HAVE THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, WHICH WE LAWYERS HAVE OFTEN CALLED THE MOST POWERFUL LAW FIRM IN THE WORLD BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF THEIR INVESTIGATION AND PROSECUTION IS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. >>AND THEIR DEPENDENCE AS WELL, CORRECT? >>THEY ARE PRETTY INDEPENDENT BUT STILL HAVE TO REMEMBER THEY ARE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. WE CAN’T FORGET ABOUT WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE. THE STATE A.G. IN 2018 WENT FORWARD WITH REFERRALS FROM A CIVIL CASE, REFERRALS TO THE IRS, REFERRALS TO OTHER BODIES FOR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, HAVING TO DO WITH THE TRUMP FOUNDATION, WHICH DOES, BY THE WAY, INVOLVE NOT ONLY DONALD TRUMP, BUT INVOLVES THE TRUMP CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE IDEA WAS AND IT DOES COME OUT AGAIN TODAY IN TESTIMONY, THAT WHEN YOU’RE DEALING WITH A PARTICULAR PAINTING, THAT WAS PURCHASED BY EITHER THE FOUNDATION OR THE ORGANIZATION, YOU HAVE BOTH THE FOUNDATION AND THE ORGANIZATION UNDER INVESTIGATION IN THE STATE, BUT ALSO I WOULD BET IN THE FEDERAL JEFFREY BERMAN, HE HAS RECUSED HIMSELF FROM ANY OF THE TRUMP INVESTIGATIONS. YOU HAVE A WELL OILED MACHINE THAT’S GOING FORWARDS, THEORETICALLY WITHOUT POLITICS BUT JUST LOOKING AT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. THAT MAY BE, AS THEY SAY WHERE THE PEDAL MEETS THE METAL. >>I WANT TO PLAY A SOUND BITE OF COHEN TALKING ABOUT THAT TRUMP TOWER MEETING INVOLVING DONALD JR. THAT’S ALSO SIGNIFICANT. LET’S LISTEN. >>SOME TIME IN THE SUMMER OF 2017 I READ ALL OVER THE MEDIA THAT THERE HAD BEEN A MEETING IN TRUMP TOWER IN JUNE OF 2016 INVOLVING DON JR. AND OTHERS FROM THE CAMPAIGN WITH RUSSIANS, INCLUDING A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. AND AN E-MAIL SETTING UP THE MEETING WITH THE SUBJECT LINE DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON. SOMETHING CLICKED IN MY MIND. I REMEMBERED BEING IN A ROOM WITH MR. TRUMP PROBABLY IN ELEGY JUNE OF 2016 WHEN SOMETHING PECULIAR HAPPEN. DON TRUMP JR. CAME INTO THE ROOM AND WALKED BEHIND HIS FATHER’S DESK, WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF WAS UNUSUAL. PEOPLE DIDN’T WALK BEHIND MR. TRUMP’S DESK TO TALK TO HIM. I REMEMBER DON JR. LEANING OVER AND SPEAKING IN A LOW VOICE AND SAYING THE MEETING IS ALL SET. AND I REMEMBER MR. TRUMP SAYING OKAY, GOOD, LET ME KNOW. >>SO RIKKI, I KNOW YOU HAVE TO LEAVE SOON. IT SOUNDS AS IF HE IS SAYING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW ABOUT THAT MEETING WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DENIED. IT’S SOMETHING THAT DONALD JR. HAS DENIED. AND IT COULD PLACE THE PRESIDENT IN HOT WATER. >>WELL, IT COULD. BUT IT APPEARS THAT THE ONLY PERSON WHO KNOWS ABOUT THIS CALL ON THE SPEAKERPHONE OR THE ONLY PEOPLE, IF IT OCCURRED ARE ROGER STONE, DONALD TRUMP AND THE PERSON WHO IS LISTENING ON THE SPEAKER WHO WAS MICHAEL COHEN. WELL YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT ROGER STONE AND DONALD TRUMP ARE GOING TO SAY THAT THAT CALL DID NOT OCCUR THE WAY MICHAEL COHEN DESCRIBED IT. SO MICHAEL COHEN IS LEFT ON HIS OWN. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT IF ALL YOU HAVE IS MICHAEL COHEN WITHOUT ANY OTHER CORROBORATION, THAT IS A WEAK SITUATION. BUT YOU COULD GET PHONE RECORDS. >>YOU COULD GET PHONE RECORDS. I KNOW YOU HAVE TO RUN TO GO TO NETWORK. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STAYING WITH US. PAULA, I’M GOING TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THAT. OBVIOUSLY COHEN IS A CONVICTED LIAR. IF HE’S THE ONLY ONE IN THE ROOM THAT CAN STATE THAT, IT PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO HOLD MUCH WATER. >>Reporter: NO. MICHAEL COHEN IS NOT ENOUGH. BUT THIS THEME CAME UP MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT THE HEARING. PEOPLE SORT OF TRYING TO BOLSTER HIM AND REMIND US ALL THAT MANY HISTORIC CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS RELIED ON THE TESTIMONY OF PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN CONVICTED OF MUCH WORSE CRIMES THAN MICHAEL COHEN. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT CAME TO TAKING DOWN SIGNIFICANT MOB FAMILIES. THE PROBLEM IS HERE IS ANYTHING COHEN SAYS, ANY GOOD DEFENSE ATTORNEY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO UNDERMINE HIM QUICKLY. THE FACT HE’S HEADED TO PRISON FOR LYING NOT JUST TO CONGRESS BUT ALSO TO THE GOVERNMENT ON HIS TAX FORMS, TO VARIOUS BANKS. HE’D BE PRETTY EASY TO IMPEACH AS A WITNESS. THAT’S WHY IT’S ALL ABOUT CORROBORATION. AND TODAY HE SHOWED UP WITH SOME RECEIPTS. HE CAME WITH EXHIBITS. HE CAME WITH DOCUMENTS. AND THAT’S WHAT’S SO IMPORTANT IN THIS HEARING. HE’S COMING WITH ITEMS TO CORROBORATE HIS CLAIMS THAT NOW HOUSE DEMOCRATS NEW LYM BOLDENED WITH SUBPOENA POWER, THEY CAN TRY TO GET ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OF WHICH WOULD BE THE PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS. TODAY OF COURSE COHEN, HE ALLEGED THE PRESIDENT WOULD UNDERVALUE HIS NET WORTH SO AS NOT TO HAVE TO PAY HIS FAIR SHARE. JUST BECAUSE MICHAEL COHEN SAID THAT DOESN’T MEAN IT’S TRUE. BUT BY PRESENTING THESE DOCUMENTS HE IS NOW POTENTIALLY GIVEN HOUSE DEMOCRATS A LICENSE TO GO PURSUE THE PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS. FINANCES SHOULD BE OFF LIMITS TO INVESTIGATORS, SO I DON’T KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS RIGHT NOW IN VIETNAM, BUT I AM SURPRISED WE HAVEN’T HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT ON THAT ISSUE. >>I’M SURE WE WILL SOON. IT WAS INTERESTING HOW COHEN PAINTED A PICTURE OF A PRESIDENT WHO WANTED TO INFLATE HIS ASSETS WHEN IT CAME TO BEING ON THE FORBES LIST OF WEALTHY AMERICANS BUT DEFLATE HIS ASSETS WHEN IT CAME TO THE IRS. SOMETHING ELSE MICHAEL COHEN TALKED ABOUT. THIS QUESTION OF INTIMIDATION. THE PRESIDENT NEVER PHYSICALLY THREATENED OTHERS HIMSELF BUT WOULD USE HIS EMPLOYEES. HERE’S THAT CLIP. >>HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MR. TRUMP PERSONALLY THREATEN PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL HARM? >>NO. HE WOULD USE OTHERS. >>HE WOULD HIRE OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THAT? >>I’M NOT SO SURE HE HAD TO HIRE THEM. THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING THERE. EVERYBODY’S JOB AT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION WAS TO PROTECT MR. TRUMP. EVERY DAY MOST OF US KNEW WE WERE COMING IN AND WE WERE GOING TO LIE FOR HIM ON SOMETHING. AND THAT BECAME THE NORM. AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT’S úHAPP COUNTRY AND IT’S EXACTLY WHAT’S HAPPENING IN GOVERNMENT, SIR. >>SO PAULA, DOES THAT SHIELD THE PRESIDENT LEGALLY SPEAKING THAT HE NEVER HAD TO VERBALLY DIRECT HIS WORKERS TO SHIELD HIM IN THAT WAY? >>WELL THIS SPEAKS MORE I THINK TO ETHICS AND MORALS THAN IT DOES TO LEGAL CULPABILITY. HERE HE’S HAVING PEOPLE CARRY OUT THREATS IN DIFFERENT WAYS. HE NOTED IT WASN’T ALWAYS PHYSICAL VIOLENCE. SOMETIMES THERE’D BE OTHER IMPLIED THREATS OF LEGAL ACTION OR NOT PAYING YOUR BILLS. I CAN’T SEE WHERE THE LEGAL EXPOSURE WOULD BE SINCE THIS IS SO LONG AGO A LOT OF THIS HAPPENED. MICHAEL COHEN TRIED TO PULL OUT OF THIS HEARING SAYING HE FELT THREATENED BY THE PRESIDENT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE FOUND THAT PRETTY RICH CONSIDERING HOW MANY PEOPLE COHEN HAD THREATENED ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT. A LOT OF THESE STATEMENTS, THINGS YOU SAY AND DO IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOU TELL FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS. THAT’S THE GREAT ISOLLYL VULNERABILITY. NOT ONLY FOR THE PRESIDENT, ALSO MICHAEL COHEN. ALSO THE PRESIDENT’S FAMILY MEMBERS AND ASSOCIATES. IT’S CLEAR THEY DON’T HAVE THEIR STORIES STRAIGHT. SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE IS LYING. THE BIG QUESTION IS WHO. >>WHO INDEED. PAULA REID IN WASHINGTON AND CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS ON SET. >>>WHEN WE RETURN WE’LL HAVE THE REST OF THE DAY’S NEWS. YOU’RE STREAMING CBSN. CBS NEWS, ALWAYS ON. >>>HELLO, EVERYONE. I’M TANYA RIVERO. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. AN EXPLOSIVE DAY ON CAPITOL HILL. PRESIDENT TRUMP’S FORMER FIXER APPEARED BEFORE LAWMAKERS GIVING WHAT MANY ARE CALLING BOMB SHELL TESTIMONY AGAINST HIS FORMER BOSS. COHEN TESTIFIED BEFORE THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ON MR. TRUMP’S ALLEGED CRIMINAL CONDUCT WHILE HE WAS IN OFFICE. BUT BEFORE THE HEARING EVEN GOT UNDERWAY SOME LAWMAKERS WERE LOOKING TO POSTPONE IT. >>MR. CHAIRMAN I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER. I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE THIS HEARING. >>IS THERE A SECOND? >>MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS ASKED TO BE RECOGNIZED BEFORE THE MOTION. >>THE VOTE IS SO IN TABLING THE MOTION. >>YOU KNOW WHO HAD THIS MATERIAL BEFORE ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE? CNN HAD IT BEFORE WE DID. CNN HAD BEFORE WE DID. >>WELL THE VOTE IS ON TABLING THE MOTION TO POSTPONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AY. ALL OPPOSED SAY NO. >>I APPEAL THE RULING OF THE CHAIR. I CAN ASSURE YOU IT’S IN THE RULES. >>THE HEARING WAS NOT POSTPONED. MR. COHEN GAVE HIS WIDE RANGING TESTIMONY. HERE AREMENT SO OF THE HIGHLIGHTS. >>MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK FOR DONALD TRUMP? >>APPROXIMATELY A DECADE. >>TEN YEARS? >>THAT’S CORRECT. >>YOU SAID ALL THESE BAD THINGS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THERE IN THAT LAST 30 MINUTES AND YET YOU WORKED FOR HIM FOR TEN YEARS? ALL THOSE BAD THINGS. I MEAN, IT’S THAT BAD I CAN SEE YOU WORKING FOR HIM FOR TEN DAYS. MAYBE TEN WEEKS. MAYBE EVEN TEN MONTHS. BUT YOU WORKED FOR HIM FOR TEN YEARS. MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE? >>I NEVER WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >>THAT’S THE POINT, ISN’T IT, MR. COHEN. >>NO, SIR. >>YOU WANTED TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >>NO, SIR. >>YOU DIDN’T GET BROUGHT TO THE DANCE. >>I WAS EXTREMELY PROUD TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I WAS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL OF THESE CATCH AND KILL EPISODES BUT THESE CATCH AND KILL SCENARIOS EXISTED BETWEEN DAVID AND MR. TRUMP LONG BEFORE I STARTED WORKING FOR HIM IN 2007. A COPY OF A CHECK MR. TRUMP WROTE FROM HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS I MADE TO COVER UP HIS AFFAIR WITH AN ADULT FILM STAR AND TO PREVENT DAMAGE TO HIS CAMPAIGN. HE IS A RACIST. HE IS A CONMAN. AND HE IS A CHEAT. >>MICHAEL COHEN ACCUSED THE PRESIDENT OF VARIOUS CRIMINAL ACTS SINCE ASSUMING THE OVAL OFFICE. THESE ARE THE MAIN HEADLINES. THIS IS A COPY OF A CHECK WRITTEN TO COHEN FROM MR. TRUMP’S PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT. IT WAS TO ALLEGEDLY REIMBURSE COHEN FOR HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO PORN STAR STORMY DANIELS WHO ALLEGES SHE HAD A SEXUAL ENCOUNTER WITH MR. TRUMP. THE PRESIDENT HAS REPEATEDLY DENIED HE KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. DURING THE TESTIMONY COHEN PAINTED THE PRESIDENT AS A RACIST. WHILE PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS IN OFFICE COHEN CLAIMS MR. TRUMP ASKED HIM QUOTE, IF HE COULD NAME A COUNTRY RUN BY A BLACK PERSON THAT WASN’T AN EXPLETIVE. COHEN SAYS THE PRESIDENT ALSO SAID BLACK PEOPLE WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE VOTE, TOO STUPID. AND COHEN DOUBLED DOWN ON CLAIMS THE PRESIDENT NOT ONLY KNEW OF BUT DIRECTED NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE TRUMP TOWER PROJECT IN MOSCOW. THE REASON? THE PRESIDENT’S FORMER FIXER SAID TRUMP STOOD TO MAKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE MOSCOW REAL ESTATE PROJECT. NOWTHESE ACCUSATIONS COME MONTHS AHEAD OF PRISON TIME FOR COHEN. HE WAS SENTENCED TO THREE YEARS BEHIND BARS LAST YEAR AFTER PLEADING GUILTY TO CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS WHILE WORKING WITH WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. COHEN ALSO LIED TO CONGRESS. CBSN POLITICAL REPORTER CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS IS WITH ME ON SET. ED O’KEEFE IS ON CAPITOL HILL. HOW IS CAPITOL HILL RESPONDING TO SOME OF THESE BOMB SHELL ALLEGATIONS IN COHEN’S TESTIMONY TODAY? >>WELL, LET’S REMEMBER A FEW THINGS. MOST PEOPLE BEGAN TO HEAR ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT. SO HEARING HIM NOW SAY WHAT WAS — IS DOMINATING ATTENTION UP HERE TODAY. THERE’S AN UNDERSTANDING AS THE CHAIRMAN SAID EARLIER TODAY. THE ADMINISTRATION WILL NO LONGER BE PROTECTED WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUES OF RUSSIA AND THESE OTHER MATTERS AT LEAST ON THE HOUSE SIDE. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY REALLY THE FIRST MAJOR PUBLIC HEARING WITH A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL, OR TRUMP ORBIT OFFICIAL, IF YOU WILL, DESCRIBING THESE ALLEGATIONS IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE. AND IT’S DESIGNED TO PUT THIS ALL OUT NOW IN THE PUBLIC IN A POLITICAL SETTING AS OPPOSED TO THE ON GOING LEGAL INVESTIGATIONS WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE NEARING THEIR END. I THINK THIS, EVERYONE UP HERE HAS SORT OF SEEN THIS AS THE OPENING SAL SALVO. THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE AND OTHERS WILL GO IN THE COMING MONTHS AS DEMOCRATS TRY TO PICK APART VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF THE TRUMP ORBIT. OF WORK HE DID AS A CANDIDATE AND BUSINESSMAN AND ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP SINCE HE BECAME PRESIDENT. >>CLEARLY THERE’S A LOT MORE DIGGING DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO WANT TO DO AFTER TODAY’S TESTIMONY. NOW MICHAEL COHEN DENIED AN ACCUSATION FROM REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN JIM JORDAN THAT HE TURNED ON PRESIDENT TRUMP úBECA THE WHITE HOUSE. THAT WAS SOMETHING REFERRED TO IN A BUZZFEED ARTICLE. LET’S LISTEN. >>MR. COHEN, HOW LONG DID YOU WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE? >>I NEVER WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >>THAT’S THE POINT, ISN’T IT, MR. COHEN? >>NO, SIR. >>YES, IT IS. >>NO, IT’S NOT SIR. >>YOU WANTED TO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >>SIR, I WAS EXTREMELY PROUD TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I DID NOT WANT TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE. I WAS OFFERED JOBS. I CAN TELL YOU A STORY OF MR. TRUMP REAMING OUT REINCE PREIBUS BECAUSE I HAD NOT TAKEN A JOB WHEN MR. TRUMP WANTED ME TOO WHICH IS WORKING AT THE WHITE HOUSE GENERAL COUNSEL. WHAT I SAID AT THE TIME AND I BROUGHT A LAWYER IN WHO PRODUCED A MEMO AS TO WHY I SHOULD NOT GO IN BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND IN ORDER TO HANDLE SOME OF THE MATTERS I TALKED ABOUT IN MY OPENING THAT IT WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR ME NOT TO GO IN AND THAT EVERY PRESIDENT HAD A PERSONAL ATTORNEY. >>HERE’S WHAT I SEE. I SEE A GUY WORK FOR TEN YEARS AND IS HERE TRASHING THE GUY HE WORKED FOR TEN YEARS. DIDN’T GET A JOB IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOW YOU’RE BEHAVING JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO’S GOT FIRED OR DIDN’T GET THE JOB THEY WANTED LIKE ANDY MCCABE, LIKE JAMES COMEY, SAME KIND OF SELFISH MOTIVATION AFTER YOU DON’T GET THE THING YOU WANT. THAT’S WHAT I SEE HERE TODAY. >>MR. JORDAN, ALL I WANTED WAS WHAT I GOT. TO BE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT. >>SO CAITLIN, THIS IS A NEW NARRATIVE AS A RESULT OF A RECENT BUZZFEED PROFILE THAT SORT OF PAINTED A PICTURE OF MICHAEL COHEN AS OHM BITTERED BECAUSE HE DID NOT GET A POSITION IN THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE. THAT HE DOESN’T REALLY HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO AT THIS POINT OR ANY LOWER TO GO. TRYING TO PAINT HIM AS DISGRUNTLE. WHO HAS GIVEN THAT HE HAS LIED TO CONGRESS BEFORE WHAT’S TO SAY HE IS BEING TRUTHFUL NOW. THAT’S WHAT YOU HEARD IN JORDAN’S QUESTIONING AND THROUGH MOST REMEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICANS TRYING TO PAINT THIS PICTURE OF COHEN TO DISCREDIT HIM BECAUSE, AS ED MENTIONED, IT’S NOT ONLY THAT COHEN IS TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS INVOLVING HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH TRUMP. WE ARE NOW IN DIVIDED GOVERNMENT. DEMOCRATS HAVE POWER IN THESE VARIOUS COMMITTEES TO PROBE VARIOUS PARTS OF THE TRUMP WORLD AND THERE IS THIS CONCERN ABOUT WHAT KIND OF EXPOSURE COHEN IS GIVING TO THEM. >>REPUBLICANS SPENT A LOT OF TIME ALSO TRYING TO PAINT A PICTURE OF HIM AS AN OPPORTUNIST. CLAIMING HE WANTS TO WRITE A BOOK AND THIS IS JUST GIVING HIM MORE ATTENTION. >>EXACTLY AND THAT HE TOOK MONEY FROM TRUMP ALL THESE YEARS. THAT HE WORKED FOR HIM LOYALLY. TO COHEN’S POINT, I ADMIT TO ALL THESE THINGS, YES, I DID THAT. >>ED, COHEN EXPLAINED WHY PRESIDENT TRUMP LIED ABOUT HIS BUSINESS DEALINGS IN MOSCOW. HERE’S WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE AFTER WE HEAR. >>I LIED TO CONGRESS WHEN MR. TRUMP STOPPED NEGOTIATING THE MOSCOW TOWER PROJECT IN RUSSIA. THAT WAS FALSE. OUR NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUED FOR MONTHS LATER DURING THE CAMPAIGN. TO BE CLEAR, MR. TRUMP KNEW OF AND DIRECTED THE TRUMP MOSCOW NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LIED ABOUT IT. HE LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE NEVER EXPECTED TO WIN. HE ALSO LIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE STOOD TO MAKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE MOSCOW REAL ESTATE PROJECT. >>WHERE DOES THAT FIT INTO WHAT WE KNEW? THE PRESIDENT HAS CHANGED HIS STORY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS BUSINESS DEALINGS IN MOSCOW AND WHAT HE WAS HOPING TO DO THERE. >>RIGHT. THIS PUTS ON THE RECORD NOW AND IN PUBLIC THINGS WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT. THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ALLEGED AND REPORTED ON BACKGROUND FROM ANONYMOUS SOURCES OR THROUGH LEGAL SOURCES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. IT CONFIRMS IN A PUBLIC SETTING WHAT MANY HAVE LONG BELIEVED ABOUT TRUMP AND WHY HE WAS CONTINUING TO DO BUSINESS DEALS DURING THE CAMPAIGN. THAT HE ULTIMATELY SAW THIS AS A POTENTIALLY LUCRATIVE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND DIDN’T ANTICIPATE WINNING THE JOB. YOU CAN SIT THERE AND SAY YEAH BUT THIS IS AN UNCREDIBLE WITNESS BECAUSE HE WAS SAYING ONE THING A FEW MONTHS AGO AND HAS BEEN LYING ABOUT IT. NOW IS CHANGING HIS STORY AND THAT’S TOTALLY VALID AND FAIR. BUT IT IS IN A SENSE CONFIRMING WHAT A LOT OF REPORTING WE’VE SEEN THAT SUGGESTS THAT ALL OF THIS BUSINESS WORK ESSENTIALLY WAS GOING ON IN RUSSIA HERE IN THE UNITED STATES IN OTHER COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT BY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT HE WOULD BOLSTER THE BRAND. AGAIN, A REMINDER, THIS IS A POLITICAL EXERCISE. THIS IS A POLITICAL ARENA AND A POLITICALLY LED OR POLITICALLY MOTIVATED TO SOME EXTENT INVESTIGATION. NOT A LEGAL ONE. TO REHASH ALL OF THIS TO PUT IT INTO PUBLIC RECORD STARTS TO ESTABLISH THAT PUBLIC RECORD OF POLITICAL INVESTIGATION OR CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION WHICH HAS A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF EVIDENCE, DIFFERENT LEVEL OF — DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAT WOULD APPLY IN THIS CASE AND ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF IT IS DOING THIS ALL IN PUBLIC SO THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GET TO HEAR THIS STUFF. EVEN IF IT’S FROM A WITNESS LIKE COHEN. THE FACT WE SIT HERE TODAY TALKING ABOUT THINGS HE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE DONE. REASONS HE MAY HAVE DONE THIS. REHASHING WHETHER OR NOT HE REALLY WANTED A WHITE HOUSE JOB OR NOT IS ALL DESIGNED BY REPUBLICANS TO DISCREDIT COHEN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHILE WE COVER THE FACT HE IS CONFIRMING PUBLICLY A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. THE STUFF ABOUT HIM BEING A RACIST, A CONMAN, A LIAR TO HIS WIFE. THAT’S ONE THING. THAT’S A CHARACTER ISSUE. BUT THE OTHER ISSUES OF POTENTIAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ARE THE FAR MORE SERIOUS ONES AND THE ONES THAT DEMOCRATS ULTIMATELY ARE MORE EXPECTED TO FOCUS ON. >>IT’S INTERESTING BECAUSE SOME SORT OF, THEY REACH A GRAY AREA, FOR INSTANCE, COHEN ALLEGES THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT A STRAW BIDDER TO PAY I BELIEVE $60,000 FOR A PORTRAIT OF MR. TRUMP JUST BECAUSE HE WANTED IT TO GO FOR THE HIGHEST PRICE THEN HE REIMBURSED THAT BIDDER, ACCORDING TO MR. COHEN, AGAIN, WITH MONEY FROM THE TRUMP FOUNDATION CHARITY. THAT GETS INTO SOME GRAY AREA BETWEEN CHARACTER AND SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF IF IT NOT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY BUT SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY IS NOT WHAT THE CHARITY WAS MEANT TO DO. IN ONE EXCHANGE COHEN EXPLAINED. >>BUT THAT’S ALSO, TANYA, IMPORTANTLY, TANYA, TANYA, THAT IS PART OF AN ON GOING INVESTIGATION LED BY NEW YORK STATE. THEY WERE LOOKING AT ONE POINT INTO THE TRUMP FOUNDATION AND THE CHARITY WORK. HE HELD THAT EVENT DURING THE CAMPAIGN IN DES MOINES WHEN HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DONATE A LOT OF MONEY TO VETERANS. HE NEVER DID THAT. THAT LED TO INVESTIGATIONS BY THE WASHINGTON POST INTO HOW MONEY WAS BEING RAISED, SPENT BY THE CHARITY. THEN THE NEW YORK STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S OFFICE GOT INVOLVED. THEN THEY SETTLED WITH THE TRUMP FOUNDATION AND GOT THEM TO DISSOLVE THE FOUNDATION. SO AGAIN — >>>WE WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK AND INTERRUPT, TAKE YOU TO CAPITOL HILL WHERE THE PRESIDENT’S FORMER FIXER IS TESTIFYING BEFORE THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. IT’S BEEN AN EXPLOSIVE DAY, LARGELY PARTISAN ON BOTH SIDES. WE’VE HEARD REPUBLICANS GRILLING MICHAEL COHEN ON HIS CREDIBILITY AND DEMOCRATS PRESSING FOR MORE ANSWERS ON EXACTLY WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW. IT HAS BEEN A DAY OF A LOT OF TESTIMONY COMING FORWARD. WE’VE HEARD FROM STORMY DANIELS WHO HAS COME FORWARD SAYING SHE’S PROUD OF MICHAEL COHEN AND HOPES HE ALSO UNDERSTANDS THE DANGER THAT HIS ACTIONS PLACED ON HER AND HER FAMILY. WE’RE GETTING REACTION FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AS WELL. WE JUST SAW GAVELING IN. SO ALL OF THIS IS TAKING PLACE. THE PRESIDENT IS IN IT VIETNAM. AND FURTHER HEAR WHAT MICHAEL COHEN HAD TO SAY. WE’VE ALSO BEEN FOLLOWING THE ACTIVITY ON CAPITOL HILL. THEY DID BREAK FOR A LITTLE BIT TO VOTE. WE DO KNOW, IN FACT, THE HOUSE DID PASS JUST A SHORT TIME AGO A BILL TO REQUIRE UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS ON GUN SALES. THAT HAPPENING JUST A SHORT TIME AGO AND IT’S ONE OF THE FIRST VOTES IN A WHILE. THE WHITE HOUSE PASSED THIS LEGISLATION WHICH MANDATED FEDERAL CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS ON ALL GUN SALES. THIS INCLUDES PRIVATE TRANSACTIONS. IT’S A HIGH PROFILE VOTE ON GUN CONTROL. ONE THAT HASN’T BEEN TAKEN IN DECADES. WAS PASSED IN THE HOUSE A SHORT TIME AGO. 240 TO 190. THAT WAS THE FINAL VOTE. IT’LL BE TOUGH TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN MAKE IT THROUGH THE GOP-CONTROLLED SENATE. WILL BE A VERY HARD FIGHT. YOU SEE LANNY DAVIS, MICHAEL COHEN’S ATTORNEY BEHIND HIM THERE. WE’LL TAKE YOU BACK NOW TO SEE INTO THIS HEARING THAT IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ANY MOMENT NOW WITH ELIJAH CUMMINGS AS CHAIRMAN. AS THE CONGRESSMEN ARE TAKING THEIR SEATS THERE, I WANT TO REMIND YOU MICHAEL COHEN HAS PLEADED GUILTY TO EIGHT COUNTS IN AUGUST OF 2018. THAT INCLUDES LYING TO CONGRESS. HE WAS VERY OPEN ABOUT THAT TDAY. HE’S SET TO START A THREE YEAR PRISON SENTENCE IN MAY. JUST YESTERDAY ON TUESDAY HE WAS DISBARRED. NOT ALLOWED TO PRACTICE AS AN ATTORNEY ANY MORE. HE IS TESTIFYING BEFORE THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. THAT’S WHERE HE IS RIGHT NOW. BEFORE THE HEARING TOOK PLACE WHEN HE WALKED IN HE SAID HE WAS FEELING GOOD EARLY THIS MORNING. HE SAID IT WAS STRESSFUL BUT DO GOOD. DURING HIS TESTIMONY THROUGHOUT HIS OPENING STATEMENTS AND WHILE HE WAS GRILLED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HE DID APOLOGIZE FOR HIS ACTIONS, PARTICULARLY FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. HE APOLOGIZED TO HIS FAMILY. AND SEVERAL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS GRILLED HIM ON WHAT HE WOULD SAY TO HIS CHILDREN. HE DID BREAK DOWN AT ONE POINT, HIS VOICE QUIVERING, HIS EYES WELLING WITH TEARS SAYING HE WAS SORRY FOR HIS ACTIONS. COHEN WAS ASKED WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT THE HEARING COINCIDING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP MEETING WITH KIM JONG-UN. HE SAYS IT’S IRONIC, ISN’T IT? HE FOUND IT IRONIC THAT HE’S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND HE DID. IT WAS SORT OF A NOD TO HIS PREPARED REMARKS AT THAT POINT. AND ROGER STONE, COINCIDENTALLY HAS WEIGHED IN ON THIS. AND I BELIEVE IT’S CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS GAVELING IN. LET’S LISTEN IN. >>MR. COHEN, I WANT TO FINALIZE THIS ISSUE RELATING TO YOUR TRUTH IN TESTIMONY FORM. THE FORM REQUIRES YOU TO LIST YOUR CONTRACTS OR PAYMENTS ORIGINATING FROM A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. NOT FROM ALL FOREIGN ENTITIES. WE SAID WE WOULD GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO CONSULT WITH YOUR ATTORNEYS. HAVE YOU DONE THAT AND DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? >>MY FOUR ATTORNEYS CONTINUE TO BELIEVE AS THEY DID BEFORE THAT THE LANGUAGE OF THE TRUTH IN TESTIMONY FORM WHICH I WAS GIVEN AND SIGNED JUST RIGHT BEFORE THIS HEARING AND WHICH REQUIRES DISCLOSURE OF ANY CONTRACTS OR PAYMENTS FROM FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS DID NOT APPLY TO MY WORK FOR BTA BANK, WHICH IS KAZAK OWNED ENTITY. HAD ENTITIES BEEN INTENDED FOR DISCLOSURE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN. IF THE COMMITTEE’S COUNCIL HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW THAT I SHOULD DISCLOSE MY CONTRACT WITH BTA BANK, WE’D BE WILLING TO DO THAT. >>MR. MR. CHAIRMAN. >>LET ME FINISH. >>SURE. >>I WANT TO UNDERSTAND CLEARLY YOU SOUGHT THE ADVICE OF YOUR COUNCIL? >>THAT’S CORRECT. >>AND YOUR COUNCIL ADVISED YOU TO SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID. >>THAT’S CORRECT. >>I YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN. >>I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR HIS COURTESY. MR. CHAIRMAN, INSTEAD OF MAKING POINTS OF ORDER AND GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, PERHAPS A WAY TO SOLVE THIS IS FOR THE CHAIRMAN. THAT HE HAS RECEIVED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS WHETHER THEY’RE AN ENTITY OR GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE STRONG BELIEF, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE’S OVER $900,000 THAT CAME FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF KAZAKHSTAN ON BEHALF OF MR. COHEN AND IT IS EITHER THE TRUTH OR THE WHOLE TRUTH OR NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH AND THE RULES, MR. CHAIRMAN, REALLY LOOK AT FOREIGN PAYMENTS THAT COME FROM OR WITH FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS. AND THE BANK HE’S TALKING ABOUT IS OWNED 81% BY THE KAZAKHSTAN GOVERNMENT. >>RECLAIMING MY TIME THEN WE’RE GOING TO MOVE ON. WHAT I WILL TAKE. FIRST OF ALL, LET ME BE CLEAR. I SAID TO MR. COHEN THAT IF HE CAME IN HERE AND LIED I WOULD NAIL HIM TO THE CROSS. DIDN’T I? >>YES, YOU DID. MORE THAN ONCE. >>SO IF THERE’S ANY AMBIGUITY, I WANT THAT TO BE CLEARED UP. I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN WORKING WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT’S STRAIGHTENED OUT. I DON’T WANT IT TO BE A THING WHERE HE THINKS ONE THING, WE THINK ONE THING. WE CAN CLEAR THAT UP. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING. >>JUST ON THAT SUBJECT, MR. CHAIRMAN. I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT IT JUST TO THE BTA BANK. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT KOREA AIR SPACE INDUSTRIES, ONE OF HIS OTHER CLIENTS AND ANY OTHER CLIENT THAT’S FOREIGN THAT MAY HAVE SOME CONNECTION TO THAT RESPECTIVE COUNTRY’S GOVERNMENT. I HOPE HIS ATTORNEYS LOOK AT ALL THOSE. >>RECLAIMING MY TIME. WE WILL TAKE THAT CERTAINLY UNDER ADVISEMENT. I’M A MAN OF MY WORD. WE WILL WORK WITH YOU AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO COME UP WITH THAT. I DON’T THINK IT’S AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST. HELLO. >>YES. YEAH. >>MR. COHEN. I WANT TO FOCUS MY QUESTIONS ON THE SMOKING GUN DOCUMENT YOU HAVE PROVIDED THIS COMMITTEE. THIS DOCUMENT IS COMPELLING EVIDENCE OF FEDERAL AND STATE CRIMES INCLUDING FINANCIAL FRAUD. YOU HAVE PROVIDED THIS COMMITTEE WITH A CHECK FROM PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP’S REVOCABLE TRUST ACCOUNT MARKED AS EXHIBIT 5 B. IT IS A CHECK FOR $35,000 AND IT IS DATED MARCH 17, 2017. AFTER THE PRESIDENT TOOK OFFICE. IT’S RIGHT NOW ON THE SCREEN. DO YOU SEE IT, SIR? >>YES, SIR. >>TO BE CLEAR, THE TRUMP REVOCABLE TRUST IS THE TRUST THE PRESIDENT SET UP TO HOLD HIS ASSETS AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT. IS THAT CORRECT? >>I BELIEVE SO. >>DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU WERE PAID FROM THE TRUST AS OPPOSED TO THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ACCOUNT? >>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. >>DID YOU THINK IT WAS ODD THAT HE PAID YOU ONCE FROM HIS PERSONAL ACCOUNT AND THEN HE’S PAYING YOU THROUGH THE SCHEME OF A TRUST? >>I’LL BE HONEST, I WAS JUST HAPPY TO GET THE CHECK. >>TODAY YOU TESTIFIED THE CHECK WAS SIGNED BY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION CFO. IS THAT CORRECT? >>THAT IS CORRECT. >>ACCORDING TO THE CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST YOU YOU SENT MONTHLY INVOICES CONTAINING FALSE INFORMATION TO AN INDIVIDUAL IDENTIFIED AS EXECUTIVE ONE. WEISELBERG IS EXECUTIVE ONE; CORRECT? >>YES. >>THE CRIMINAL CHARGE AGAINST YOU STATES EXECUTIVE ONE FORWARDS YOUR INVOICE TO SOMEONE REFERRED TO AS EXECUTIVE TWO. PRESUMABLY DONALD TRUMP JR. >>I BELIEVE SO. >>AS FEDERAL PROSECUTORS LAID OUT IN THEIR CRIMINAL CHARGES, PAYMENTS LIKE THIS RESULTED IN NUMEROUS FALSE STATEMENTS IN THE BOOKS AND RECORDS OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. IT’S IMPORTANT FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THIS. NOTHING TO DO WITH COLLUSION. THIS IS FINANCIAL FRAUD. GARDEN VARIETY FINANCIAL FRAUD. IT IT WAS DISGUISED AS A PAYMENT FOR LEGAL SERVICES TO YOU. BUT THIS WAS NOT A PAYMENT FOR LEGAL SERVICES, WAS IT? >>NO, SIR. >>IT COULD GIVE RISE TO SERIOUS STATE AND FEDERAL CRIMINAL LIABILITY IF A CORPORATION IS COOKING ITS BOOKS. BASED ON YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY DONALD TRUMP JR. AND ALAN WEISELBERG DIRECTED THIS PAYMENT TO YOU YOU AND APPROVED THIS PAYMENT. >>MR. TRUMP INITIALLY AGO KNOWLEDGED THE DEBT. I WAS INSTRUCTED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO THIS OVER 12 INSTALLMENTS. WHAT THEY DECIDED TO DO THEN WAS HAVE ME SEND AN INVOICE. IN WHICH THEY CAN HAVE A CHECK CUT. THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES TO YOUR FOLLOW UP. >>AND DONALD TRUMP JR. OBVIOUSLY SIGNED OFF ON THIS. >>IT WOULD EITHER BE ERIC TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP JR. AND OR ALLEN WEISSELBERG. >>AND YOU THINK EXECUTIVE TWO IS DONALD TRUMP JR.? — >>I CAN MAKE THAT CONCLUSION. >>YOU TOLD REPRESENTATIVE KELLY THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS AWARE OF THIS SCHEME; IS THAT CORRECT? >>THAT’S CORRECT. >>I JUST WANT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THE EXPLOSIVE NATURE OF YOUR TESTIMONY ON THIS DOCUMENT. ARE YOU TELLING US, MR. COHEN, THAT THE PRESIDENT DIRECTED TRANSACTIONS IN CONSPIRACY WITH ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND HIS SON DONALD TRUMP JR. AS PART OF A CIVIL, CRIMINAL — AS PART OF A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY OF FINANCIAL FRAUD. IS THAT YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY? >>YES. >>AND DO YOU KNOW IF THIS CRIMINAL FINANCIAL SCHEME THAT THE PRESIDENT, ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND DONALD TRUMP JR. ARE INVOLVED IN IS BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK? >>I’D RATHER NOT DISCUSS THAT QUESTION BECAUSE IT WOULD BE PART OF AN INVESTIGATION THAT’S CURRENTLY ON GOING. >>I JUST WANT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOLELY APART FROM BOB MUELLER’S INVESTIATION THERE IS GARDEN VARIETY FINANCIAL FRAUD AND YOUR ALLEGATION AND THE EXPLOSIVE SMOKING GUN DOCUMENT SUGGESTS THE PRESIDENT, HIS SON AND HIS CFO MAY BE INVOLVED IN A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY AND ISN’T IT TRUE, MR. COHEN, THAT THIS CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY THAT INVOLVED FOUR PEOPLE, THAT THERE’S ONLY ONE PERSON SO FAR WHO HAS SUFFERED THE REPERCUSSIONS AND THAT’S WHY YOU’RE IN JAIL? >>WILL BE GOING TO JAIL, YES. >>THE THREE OTHER PEOPLE THOUGH WHO WERE EQUALLY INVOLVED IN THIS CONSPIRACY. >>YES, IT IS TRUE. >>THANK YOU, MR. COHEN. I YIELD BACK MY TIME. >>GOMEZ. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. COHEN, I’M GOING TO TACKLE THE PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS. DURING THE 2016 CAMPAIGN YOU SAID YOU PERSONALLY WOULDN’T, QUOTE, ALLOW HIM TO RELEASE THOSE RETURNS UNTIL THE AUDITS ARE OVER, UNQUOTE. FOR THE RECORD NOTHING PREVENTS INDIVIDUALS FROM SHARING THEIR OWN TAX RETURNS EVEN WHILE UNDER AUDIT BY THE IRS. MR. COHEN, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER PRESIDENT TRUMP’S TAX RETURNS WERE REALLY UNDER AUDIT BY THE IRS IN 2016? >>I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER. I ASKED FOR A COPY OF THE AUDIT SO THAT I COULD USE IT IN TERMS OF MY STATEMENTS TO THE PRESS. AND I WAS NEVER ABLE TO OBTAIN ONE. >>OKAY. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIDE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE PRESIDENT’S TAX RETURNS HE REFUSED TO RELEASE? >>I DO NOT. >>CAN YOU GIVE US ANY INSIGHT INTO WHAT THE REAL REASON IS THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS? >>STATEMENTS THAT HE HAD SAID TO ME WAS THAT WHAT HE DIDN’T WANT WAS TO HAVE AN ENTIRE GROUP OF THINK TANKS THAT ARE TAX EXPERTS RUN THROUGH HIS TAX RETURN AND START RIPPING IT TO PIECES AND THEN END UP IN AN AUDIT AND ULTIMATELY HAVE TAXABLE CONSEQUENCES, PENALTIES AND SO ON. >>SO THAT’S AN INTERESTING POINT. HE MIGHT END UP IN AN AUDIT. COULD YOU PRESUME FROM THAT STATEMENT THAT HE WASN’T UNDER AUDIT. >>I PRESUME HE’S NOT UNDER AUDIT. >>THE REASON I BRING THIS UP. I’M ALSO THE ONLY DEMOCRAT ON THIS COMMITTEE THAT ALSO SERVES ON THE COMMITTEE OF WAYS AND MEANS. IT’S THE CHIEF TAX WRITING COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND IT’S THE ONLY COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THAT HAS JURISDICTION TO REQUEST AN AMERICAN’S TAX RETURNS AND THAT INCLUDES THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. MY CONSTITUENTS NEED TO KNOW WHETHER THE PRESIDENT HAS FINANCIAL TIES THAT ARE CAUSING HIM TO PROTECT HIS OWN BOTTOM LINE RATHER THAN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS COUNTRY. CAN HE BE BLACKMAILED BECAUSE OF HIS FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS VENTURES, INCLUDING BY FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS? AND I KNOW THE OPPOSITION IS THE FIRST THING THEY’RE GOING TO ASK OR SAY IS THAT HE RELEASED HIS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORMS. BUT I BELIEVE THERE’S OTHER THINGS WE CAN LEARN FROM HIS TAXES. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WE CAN LEARN IN HIS TAX RETURNS IF WE ACTUALLY GOT OUR HANDS ON THEM? >>NO, I’VE SEEN THEM, I’VE JUST NEVER GONE THROUGH THEM. THEY’RE QUITE LONG. >>QUITE LONG. ONE OF THE THINGS I ALSO FIND IRONIC IS THE WAY THEY’RE KIND OF ATTACKING YOU AS TO UNDERMINE YOUR CREDIBILITY IS ONE OF THE WAYS IS BY SAYING THAT YOU COMMITTED BANK FRAUD AND TAX EVASION. AND THE REASON WHY IS A BIG DEAL IS THAT IT REALLY GOES DOWN TO THE PERSON’S CHARACTER WHEN IT COMES TO TAXES. BUT YET THE REPUBLICAN MINORITY HAS NEVER ASKED TO SEE HIS TAXES. RIGHT? SOMETHING THAT FOR 40 YEARS DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ALIKE HAVE RELEASED THEIR TAX RETURNS TO PROVE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THEY DIDN’T HAVE FINANCIAL INTERESTS THAT WOULD BE LEVERAGABLE BY A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. BUT THIS MINORITY REFUSES TO ASK FOR HIS. A PATTERN. I’M NOTICING A PATTERN ABOUT THE PRESIDENT AND THOSE IN HIS INNER CIRCLE. RECEIVED GUILTY PLEAS FROM 34 PEOPLE AND THREE COMPANIES WE KNOW OF. THE LATEST BEING LONG TERM TRUMP ADVISOR ROGER STONE. THAT GROUP INCLUDES SIX FORMER TRUMP ADVISOR. IT APPEARS THE PRESIDENT HAS A FONDNESS FOR ENTRUSTING THOSE WHO WILL ONE, LIE FOR HIM. TWO, BREAK THE LAW FOR HIM. THREE, CHEAT THE SYSTEM FOR HIM. ESSENTIALLY HE WANTS TO SURROUND HIMSELF WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST LIKE HIM. >>FROM THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES IT APPEARS SO. >>MR. COHEN, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PRESIDENT. TO HIS CONDUCT. WHEN HE WENT TO HELSINKI AND BOWED BEFORE VLADIMIR PUTIN. AND NOBODY CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY HE ACTS THE WAY HE ACTS. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE WAY WE GET THOSE ANSWERS IS REALLY LOOKING AT EVERYBODY THAT SURROUNDS HIM WHO HE’S BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH. IT’S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM LINE. THANK YOU AND I YIELD BACK. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT WE READ FOR THE RECORD A TWEET FROM DR. DARYL SCOTT WHICH SAYS MICHAEL COHEN ASKED, NO, BEGGED ME TO ASK POTUS TO GIVE HIM A JOB IN THE ADMINISTRATION. HE IS STILL LYING UNDER OATH. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT. I HAVE ONE MORE FROM BOB DEIDEL. GETTING SICK WATCHING THESE HEARINGS, I KNOW MICHAEL COHEN PERSONALLY FOR MANY YEARS AND HE TOLD ME SEVERAL TIMES HE WAS VERY ANGRY AND UPSET HE DIDN’T GET A POST IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THAT HE QUOTE, WOULD DO WHAT HE HAS TO DO NOW TO PROTECT HIS FAMILY, CLOSED QUOTE. I ASK THAT BE. THANK YOU. >>TWO QUICK ONES. >>THEN WE GOT OTHER ONES. WE’LL DO YOU, MR. MR. RANKING MEMBER. THEN WE’LL DO THE OTHER ONES AT THE END. I HAVE SOME THINGS TOO I WANT TO GET IN. >>I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT AN ARTICLE IN SALON MAGAZINE WRITTEN BY STANLEY BRAND. FORMER HOUSE COUNCIL TO TIP O’NEIL. OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE SESSION LOOKS LIKE AN ILLEGITIMATE SHOW HEARING. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION. >>A LETTER MR. MEADOWS AND I SENT TO YOU THE CHAIRMAN REQUESTING THAT YOU CALL DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL ROD ROSENSTEIN TO TESTIFY AT THIS HEARING ALSO BE PART OF THE RECORD. THANK YOU. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>CAN I RESPOND? >>JUST ONE SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THE ARTICLE. I JUST WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS ONE RIGHT AWAY. WHEN WE SAW THAT ARTICLE, MR. RANKING MEMBER, WE KNEW THAT IT WAS INACCURATE. LET ME JUST, ON BASICS. THE CASE IS THAT MR. BRAND, DISTINGUISHABLE FROM WHAT’S GOING ON HERE. WE GOT IRVIN B. NATHAN, FORMER GENERAL COUNSEL OF THE HOUSE FROM 2007 TO 2010 AND SAYS IN SHORT THE COMMITTEE HAS AMPLE JURISDICTION AND RESPONSIBILITY TO EVEN CONSIDER THE UPCOMING VOLUNTARY TESTIMONY OF MR. COHEN. THAT’S DATED FEBRUARY 2019. 25th OF 2019. I WANT TO ENTER THAT INTO RECORD WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED. WHERE ARE WE? MISS OCASIO-CORTEZ. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. COHEN, I’D LIKE TO QUICKLY PICK UP ON SOME PREVIOUS LINES OF QUESTIONING BEFORE GETTING INTO MY OWN. I MAY GO A LITTLE QUICKLY TO GET IT ALL IN FIVE MINUTES. FIRST MY COLLEAGUE FROM VERMONT HAD ASKED YOU SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT AMI THE PARENT COMPANY OF THE NATIONAL INQUIRER. IN THAT YOU MENTIONED A TREASURE-TROVE, A QUOTE TREASURE-TROVE OF DOCUMENTS IN DAVID OFFICE RELATING TO INFORMATION ASSEMBLED. AGAINST PEOPLE WHO HAD POTENTIALLY DAMAGING INFORMATION ON THE PRESIDENT. YOU MENTION THE THE PRESIDENT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHEREABOUTS OF THE DOCUMENTS AND WHO POSSESSED THEM. DOES THAT TREASURE-TROVE OF DOCUMENTS STILL EXIST? >>I DON’T KNOW. I HAD ASKED DAVID FOR THEM. >>YOU WOULD SAY THE PERSON WHO KNOWS THE WHEREABOUTS OF THESE DOCUMENTS WOULD DAVID >>DAVID BARRY LEVINE OR DYLAN HOWARD. >>THANK YOU. SECONDLY, I WANT TO ASK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR CONVERSATION WITH MY COLLEAGUE FROM MISSOURI ABOUT ACID INFLATION. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE DID THE PRESIDENT EVER PROVIDE INFLATED ASSETS TO AN INSURANCE COMPANY? >>YES. >>WHO ELSE KNOWS THAT THE PRESIDENT DID? AND WHERE WOULD THE COMMITTEE FIND MORE INFORMATION ON THIS? DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO REVIEW HIS FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND HIS TAX RETURNS IN ORDER TO COMPARE THEM? >>YES. AND YOU’D FIND IT AT THE TRUMP ORG. >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE LAST THING HERE, THE TRUMP GOLF ORGANIZATION CURRENTLY HAS A GOLF COURSE IN MY HOME BOROUGH OF THE BRONX. I DRIVE PAST IT EVERY DAY GOING BETWEEN BRONX AND QUEENS. IN FACT THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTED ON THE TRUMP LINKS BRONX COURSE IN AN ARTICLE TITLED TAXPAYERS BUILT THIS NEW YORK GOLF COURSE AND TRUMP REAPS THE REWARDS. THAT ARTICLE IS WHERE MANY NEW YORKERS AND PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY LEARN THAT TAXPAYERS SPENT $127 MILLION TO BUILD TRUMP LINKS IN A QUOTE, GENEROUS DEAL ALLOWING PRESIDENT TRUMP TO KEEP ALMOST EVERY DOLLAR THAT FLOWS IN ON A GOLF COURSE BUILT WITH PUBLIC FUNDS. THIS DOESN’T SEEM TO BE THE ONLY TIME THE PRESIDENT HAS BENEFITED AT THE EXPENSE OF THE PUBLIC. MR. COHEN, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR ASSERTION THE PRESIDENT MAY HAVE IMPROPERLY DEVALUED HIS ASSETS TO AVOID PAYING TAXES. ACCORDING TO A REPORT BY THE WASHINGTON POST WHILE THE PRESIDENT CLAIMED IN FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORMS THAT TRUMP NATIONAL GOLF CLUB IN IT JUPITER, FLORIDA WAS WORTH MORE THAN $50 MILLION. HE HAD REPORTED OTHERWISE TO LOCAL TAX AUTHORITIES THAT THE COURSE WAS WORTH QUOTE, NO MORE THAN $5 MILLION. MR. COHEN, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THIS SPECIFIC REPORT IS ACCURATE? >>IT’S IDENTICAL TO WHAT HE DID AT TRUMP NATIONAL GOLF CLUB AT BRIAR CLIFF MANOR. >>TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE WAS THE PRESIDENT INTERESTED IN REDUCING HIS LOCAL REAL ESTATE TAX BILLS? >>YES. >>AND HOW DID HE DO THAT? >>WHAT YOU DO IS YOU DEFLATE THE VALUE OF THE ASSET AND THEN YOU PUT IN A REQUEST TO THE TAX DEPARTMENT FOR A DEDUCTION. >>THANK YOU. NOW IN OCTOBER 2018 THE NEW YORK TIMES REVEALED THAT QUOTE, PRESIDENT TRUMP PARTICIPATED IN DUBIOUS TAX SCHEMES DURING THE 1990s, INCLUDING INSTANCES OF OUTRIGHT FRAUD THAT GREATLY INCREASED THE FORTUNE HE RECEIVED FROM HIS PARENTS. IT FURTHER STATED FROM MR. TRUMP QUOTE, HE ALSO HELPED FORMULATE A STRATEGY TO UNDERVALUE HIS PARENTS REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS BY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON TAX RETURNS, SHARPLY REDUCING HIS TAX BILL WHEN THOSE PROPERTIES WERE TRANSFERRED TO HIM AND HIS SIBLINGS. MR. COHEN, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THAT SPECIFIC REPORT IS ACCURATE? >>I DON’T KNOW. I WASN’T THERE IN THE 1990s. >>WHO WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS? >>ALLEN WEISSELBERG. >>AND WOULD IT HELP FOR THE ME TO OBTAIN FEDERAL AND STATE TAX RETURNS FROM THE PRESIDENT AND HIS COMPANY TO ADDRESS THAT? >>I BELIEVE SO. >>THANK YOU. I YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME TO THE CHAIR. >>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ONE MORE TIME MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THE WAY IN WHICH YOU COMPORT YOURSELF AND I KNOW THERE ARE SOME THAT WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE THAT THE MORE YOU SAY SOMETHING THE MORE TRUE IT IS, BUT IN FACT THIS COMMITTEE THANKS YOUR LEADERSHIP AND OUR DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY HAS BEEN DOING THE WORK OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE ALONE WE LOOKED AT THE ISSUE OF MAKING ELECTION DAY A FEDERAL HOLIDAY, REDUCING DRUG PRICING, AND PURSUED SUBPOENAS TO REUNITE FAMILIES. JUST RECENTLY BEFORE WE RETURNED HERE TRIED TO PASS A UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK GUN BILL. SO WE ARE DOING THE BUSINESS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, INCLUDING TODAY. IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT THE BEST SUNLIGHT, SUNLIGHT IS SAID TO BE THE BEST OF DISINFECTANTS. ELECTRIC LIGHT IS THE MOST EFFICIENT POLICEMAN. WELL LET THERE BE LIGHT. THE POINT OF OVERSIGHT IS TO PURSUE TRUST, PURSUE THE TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. TO UNDERSTAND IF LIES, DECEIT AND CONSTRUCTION ARE THREATENING AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND INDEED OUR SAFETY. MR. CHAIRMAN, CHARITIES SHOULD NOT BE ABUSED AS PERSONAL PIGGY BANKS. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW AND UNFAIR TO CHARITIES THAT PLAY BY THE RULES. A LINE OF QUESTIONING WE HAVE NOT YET ADDRESSED AND WE’VE BEEN GLARINGLY ABSENT IN TACKLING IS THAT OF THE ABUSES OF THE TRUMP FOUNDATION. THE PRESIDENT’S CHARITABLE FOUNDATION AGREED TO RESOLVE IN RESPONSE TO AN ON GOING INVESTIGATION AND LAWSUIT BY THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL. THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL FOUND WHAT IT CALLED QUOTE, CLEAR AND REPEATED VIOLATIONS OF STATE AND FEDERAL LAW. IN I UNDERSTAND YOUR OPENING STATEMENT CORRECTLY, IN MID 2013 YOU ARRANGED FOR A STRAW PURCHASING TO BID $60,000 FOR A PORTRAIT. WHY WOULD THE PRESIDENT WANT TO BID UP THE PRICE OF SOMETHING HE WAS PAYING FOR? >>ALL ABOUT EGO. >>HOW WAS IT PAID FOR? >>I BE A CHECK FROM IT THE TRUST. >>AN ABUSE AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN PURSUIT HERE. I THINK ULTIMATELY WE’RE DEMONSTRATING IS PATRIOTISM. THIS IS ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT AND JUST FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. DID THE FOUNDATION FUNDS REIMBURSE THE STRAW PURCHASER? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE MECHANICS OF THAT PAYMENT. >>I’M NOT INVOLVED WITH THE FOUNDATION. >>DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING? >>OH, YES. >>HOW DID YOU KNOW? >>BECAUSE HE TASKED ME TO FIND THE STRAW BIDDER TO ENSURE HIS PAINTING, WHICH WAS GOING LAST IN THE AUCTION, WOULD GO FOR THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF ANY OF THE PAINTINGS THAT HAD BEEN PUT ON THE AUCTION BLOCK FOR THE DAY. >>AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PAINTING? >>BELIEVE IT’S IN ONE OF THE CLUBS. >>OKAY. ACCORDING TO THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL MARCH 2014 MR. TRUMP USED THE FOUNDATION TO PAY $10,000 FOR THE WINNING BID ON ANOTHER PORTRAIT OF MR. TRUMP THAT ENDED UP AS DECOR IN ONE OF HIS GOLF COURSES IN MIAMI. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT TRANSACTION? >>YES. >>ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER INSTANCES WHERE THE TRUMP FOUNDATION WAS USED TO BENEFIT THE TRUMP FAMILY? >>YES. >>COULD YOU ELABORATE? >>SO THERE WAS A CONTRACT THAT I ENDED UP CREATING ON MR. TRUMP’S BEHALF FOR, IT WAS A UKRAINIAN OLIGARCH. MR. TRUMP WAS ASKED TO COME IN TO PARTICIPATE IN WHAT WAS THE UKRAINIAN AMERICAN ECONOMIC FORUM. UNFORTUNATELY HE WASN’T ABLE TO GO BUT I WAS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE 15 MINUTES BY SKYPE WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE A CAMERA VERY MUCH LIKE A TELEVISION CAMERA, VERY MUCH LIKE THAT ONE AND THEY WOULD TRANSLATE MR. TRUMP TO THE QUESTIONER AND THEN HE WOULD RESPOND BACK. I NEGOTIATED A FEE OF $150,000 FOR 15 MINUTES. I WAS DIRECTED BY MR. TRUMP TO HAVE THE CONTRACT DONE IN THE NAME OF THE DONALD J. TRUMP FOUNDATION. AS OPPOSED TO DONALD J. TRUMP OR SERVICES RENDERED. >>THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ABUSES OF THE FOUNDATION THAT YOU’D LIKE TO SHARE? AGAIN, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW AND AGAIN EXTREMELY UNFAIR TO CHARITIES PLAYING BY THE RULES. >>NOT AT THIS TIME. BUT IF I THINK OF ONE. >>FOR THE BALANCE OF MY TIME, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT SOMEONE COULD DENY RENTAL UNITS TO AFRICAN-AMERICANS, LEAD THE BIRTHER MOVEMENT, REFER TO THE DIES A ME A AS HOLE COUNTRIES AND REFER TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS AS FINE PEOPLE HAVE A BLACK FRIEND AND STILL BE RACIST? >>YES. >>I AGREE. >>YOU MAY ANSWER THE REQUEST QUESTION. >>I DID. YES. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE TWO UNANIMOUS CONSENT. SINCE WE’RE FINISHING UP BEFORE WE GET DONE I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND. >>JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I JUST WANT TO GET TO MISS TLAIB. THEY’VE BEEN WAITING HERE ALL DAY. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU FOR CENTERING THIS COMMITTEE ON OUR SOLE PURPOSE IS EXPOSING THE TRUTH. SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH AND THIS IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE IT’S THE CENTER OF WHAT IS PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. THE PEOPLE AT HOME ARE FRUSTRATED, MR. COHEN AND THEY WANT CRIMINAL SCHEMES TO STOP, ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM THE OVAL OFFICE. MR. COHEN, I AM UPSET AND KNOW MY RESIDENTS FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT A MAN YOU WORKED FOR FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS IS USING THE MOST POWERFUL POSITION IN THE WORLD TO HURT OUR COUNTRY SOLELY FOR PERSONAL GAIN. WE ARE UPSET THAT SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES HERE ARE SO DISCONNECTED OF WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE THIS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SENDING CHECKS TO COVER BRIBE PAYMENTS, NOT HUSH PAYMENTS. BRIBE PAYMENTS YOU MADE ON HIS BEHALF. ONE IN 2017 OF MARCH AND ANOTHER AUGUST 2017 AFTER HE WAS SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT. THEY ARE UPSET THAT WHILE MY COLLEAGUES ARE TRYING TO DISCREDIT YOUR TESTIMONY BY SOME OF YOUR OWN UNLAWFUL ACTS AND LIES THAT THEY ARE DISCONNECTED WITH THE FACT THAT YOU WERE THE PERSONAL LAWYER FOR THIS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT THIS PRESIDENT CHOSE YOU AS HIS LEGAL COUNSEL. MY STANCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME, MR. CHAIRMAN. BASED ON THE FACTS, NOT ON FUTURE REPORTS THAT WE’RE ALL WAITING ON. MY RESIDENTS BACK HOME DON’T NEED A COLLUSION CAUSE WITH A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO KNOW THIS PRESIDENT INDIVIDUAL ONE HAS DISREGARDED THE LAW OF THE LAND, THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. AND THAT HE HAS MISUSED HIS PARDON POWERS. IN THE SENTENCING MEMO MR. COHEN FILED. IN PARTICULAR AND AS COHEN HIMSELF AS NOW ADMITTED WITH RESPECT TO BOTH PAYMENTS HE ACTED IN COORDINATION WITH AND AT THE DIRECTION OF INDIVIDUAL ONE. MR. COHEN, AS YOU KNOW PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP, BRAND COMES FIRST. NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. úBASED BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW, IS THAT INDIVIDUAL ONE USED HIS MONEY, BUSINESSES AND PLATFORM TO ENRIH HIMSELF, HIS BRAND AND IN THE PROCESS DIRECTED YOU, MR. COHEN TO COMMIT MULTIPLE FELONIES AND YOU COVERED IT UP; CORRECT? >>THAT’S CORRECT. >>YOU CALLED IT PROTECTING HIS BRAND; CORRECT? >>AND HIM AS WELL. >>MR. COHEN, WITH THIS DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS MAKING DECISIONS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? >>NO, I DON’T. >>ESPECIALLY THOSE YOU SAID THAT HE USED HORRIBLE WORDS ABOUT LIKE AFRICAN-AMERICANS, MUSLIM AMERICANS AND IMMIGRANTS? >>YES. >>JUST TO MAKE A NOTE, MR. MANY CHAIRMAN. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS A PERSON OF COLOR, A BLACK PERSON WORKING FOR THEM DOES NOT MEAN THEY AREN’T RACIST. AND IT IS INSENSITIVE THAT SOME WOULD EVEN SAY THE FACT THAT SOMEONE WOULD ACTUALLY USE A PROP. A BLACK WOMAN IN THIS CHAMBER, IN THIS COMMITTEE. IS ALONE RACIST IN ITSELF. DONALD TRUMP IS SETTING. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASK THAT HER WORDS BE TAKEN DOWN. >>I RECLAIM MY TIME. DONALD TRUMP. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. >>THE HIGHEST OFFICE CAN BE. >>MR. CHAIRMAN, THE RULES ARE CLEAR. >>COVER UP AND HOLD ON TO BUSINESS ASSETS TO BREAK CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS AND CONSTITUTIONAL CLAUSES. WHAT WE HAVE HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS CRIMINAL CONDUCT AND THE PURSUIT OF THE HIGHEST PUBLIC OFFICE BY MR. COHEN AND INDIVIDUAL ONE. I HOPE THAT THE GRAVITY OF THIS SITUATION HITS EVERYONE IN THIS BODY. AND IN CONGRESS AND ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. I ASK THAT HER WORDS WHEN SHE’S REFERRING TO AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF THIS BODY BE TAKEN DOWN AND STRICKEN FROM THE RECORD. I’M SURE SHE DIDN’T INTEND TO DO THIS. BUT IF ANYONE KNOWS MY RECORD AS IT RELATES, IT SHOULD BE YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>CHAIRMAN. I WOULD LIKE. >>HOLD ON. >>I WANT THE WORDS WRITTEN BACK. >>EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPHRASE THAT STATEMENT, MS. TLAIB. >>I CAN ACTUALLY READ IT FROM HERE. JUST TO MAKE A NOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS A PERSON OF COLOR, A BLACK PERSON WORKING FOR THEM DOES NOT MEAN THEY AREN’T RACIST. IT IS INSENSITIVE THAT SOMEONE WOULD EVEN SAY RACIST, SAY IT IS RACIST IN ITSELF AND TO USE A BLACK WOMAN AS A PROP TO PROVE IT OTHERWISE. I CAN SUBMIT THIS FOR THE RECORD. IF A COLLEAGUE IS THINKING THAT THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING. I’M JUST SAYING THAT’S WHAT I BELIEVE TO HAVE HAPPENED. AS A PERSON OF COLOR IN THIS COMMITTEE THAT’S HOW I FELT AT THAT MOMENT AND I WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT. I AM NOT CALLING THE GENTLEMAN, MR. MEADOWS A RACIST FOR DOING SO. I AM SAYING IN ITSELF IT IS A RACIST ACT. >>I HOPE NOT, MR. CHAIRMAN. I NEED TO BE CLEAR ON THIS. MR. CHAIRMAN. >>MR. MEADOWS. WAIT A MINUTE. >>I’VE DEFENDED YOU. >>MR. MEADOWS. MR. MEADOWS! I’M THE CHAIR. >>YES, SIR, YOU ARE. >>THANK YOU. I WILL CLEAR THIS UP. NOW MS. TLAIB. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. YOU DID NOT, YOU WERE NOT INTENDING TO CALL MR. MEADOWS A RACIST; IS THAT RIGHT? >>NO, I DO NOT CALL MR. MEADOWS A RACIST. >>WAIT A MINUTE, HOLD ON. >>AS A PERSON OF COLOR, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO EXPRESS MYSELF AND HOW I FELT AT THAT MOMENT. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD THAT’S WHAT WAS MY INTENTION. >>ALL RIGHT. >>MR. MEADOWS. >>MR. CHAIRMAN. THERE’S NOTHING MORE PERSONAL TO ME THAN MY RELATIONSHIP, MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR. MR. PEOPLE KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND TO INDICATE THAT I ASKED SOMEONE WHO IS A PERSONAL FRIEND OF THE TRUMP FAMILY, WHO HAS WORKED FOR HIM, WHO KNOWS THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL THAT SHE’S COMING IN TO BE A PROP, IT’S RACIST TO SUGGEST THAT I ASK HER TO COME IN HERE FOR THAT REASON. THE PRESIDENT’S OWN PERSON, SHE’S A FAMILY MEMBER. SHE LOVES THIS FAMILY. SHE CAME IN IT BECAUSE SHE FELT LIKE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WAS GETTING FALSELY ACCUSED. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU ARE, YOU AND I HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP THAT’S NOT BASED ON COLOR. AND TO EVEN GO DOWN THIS SON OF FORMER SHARECROPPERS, BASICALLY SLAVES. I GET IT. I LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY AND I THINK, I DON’T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN HER MOUTH. I THINK SHE SAID THAT SHE WAS NOT CALLING YOU A RACIST AND I THOUGHT THAT WE COULD CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE MR. MEADOWS, YOU KNOW, OF ALL THE PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE I HAVE SAID IT AND GOT IN TROUBLE FOR YOU ARE ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS I KNOW THAT SHOCKS A LOT OF PEOPLE. >>LIKEWISE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>BUT YOU ARE. I CAN SEE AND FEEL YOUR PAIN. I FEEL IT. AND SO I DON’T THINK SHE INTENDED TO CAUSE YOU THAT KIND OF PAIN AND THAT KIND OF FRUSTRATION. DID YOU HAVE A STATEMENT? >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN TO MY COLLEAGUE MR. MEADOWS THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION AND I DO APOLOGIZE IF THAT IS WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT I SAID SOMEONE IN GENERAL AND AS EVERYBODY KNOWS IN THIS CHAMBER AND PRETTY DIRECT. IF I WANTED TO SAY THAT, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN FOR ALLOWING ME TOO CLARIFY BUT AGAIN I SAID SOMEONE. NOT REFERRING TO YOU AT ALL AS A RACIST. >>I THANK THE GENTLEWOMAN FOR HER COMMENTS I AGGRESSIVE THE CHAIRMAN FOR WORKING TO CLARIFY THIS AND I APPRECIATE THE CHAIRMAN’S INTERVENING. >>TO THE GENTLEMAN FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO RESOLVE THAT. THE GENTLEMAN THAT ASKED EARLIER . >>I WILL WITHDRAW MY REQUEST. >>YOU DON’T WANT TO DO THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT? >>I NEED THE UNANIMOUS BECAUSE I THINK I NEED TO OFFICIALLY WITHDRAW MY REQUEST AND IT BE STRICKEN. YOU DID A? >>I DID. >>SOUNDS GOOD I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU FOR YOUR UNANIMOUS CONSENT. I THINK YOU WANT TO PUT INTO THE RECORDS AND DOCUMENTS? >>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WE PUT FORWARD IN THE RECORD THE VANITY FAIR ARTICLE WHICH INDICATES THAT MICHAEL COHEN MUST BE THE MOST GIFTED CONSULTANT IN AMERICA. OUTLINING HIS INSIGHTS INTO GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE AND POLICY IN REAL ESTATE, SUGGESTING IT IS NOT A REAL COMPANY AND LIKE HE IS NOT A LAWYER. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED. >> THANK YOU. ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT OF THE L.A. TIMES ARTICLE OF JULY 16, 2018 ACTUALLY BE PUT IN THE RECORD, WHICH OUTLINES THE $1.2 MILLION PAYMENT AND MISGIVINGS THEREAFTER. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED ANY OTHER UNANIMOUS CONSENT OR REQUESTS? >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE FEBRUARY 9, 2019 WASHINGTON POST PROFILE OF MICHAEL COHEN TITLED MICHAEL COHEN’S SECRET AGENDA PART OF THE RECORD. THE STORY SHOWS GOING TO BE A SELFISH NUCLEAR, WHO IS ALL ABOUT HIMSELF EVEN HAS A FALSE ANECDOTE ABOUT HOW HE ONCE CLAIMED TO DELIVER HIS OWN BABY SPIN WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED. >>AS UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE THE MAY 9, 2018 WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE SOUTH KOREAN FIRM PAID MICHAEL COHEN $150,000 AS IT SOUGHT CONTRACT FROM U.S. GOVERNMENT AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE ARTICLE REPORTED KOREA AEROSPACE INDUSTRIES PAID A SHELL COMPANY RUN BY COHEN. >>WITHOUT SO ORDERED. >>UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE MICHAEL COHEN’S SENTENCING STATEMENT TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK FOR THE RECORD. THE STATEMENT ESTABLISHES THAT MICHAEL COHEN CONTINUES TO FALSELY BLAME HIS CRIMES ON BLIND LOYALTY TO THE PRESIDENT BUT ONLY COHEN IS TO BLAME FOR HIS MANY FALSE STATEMENTS TO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS IN THE ERA. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED. >>UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE AUGUST 20, 2018 — CNN ARTICLE FEDS SCRUTINIZING MICHAEL COHEN’S FORMER ACCOUNTANT AND BEEN CLOSE PART OF THE RECORD. COHEN’S ACCOUNT SUPPORTED TO SUBPOENA BEFORE A GRAND JURY AND A LAWYER IN HIS SENTENCING MENU PROSECUTOR SAID COHEN ATTEMPTED TO BLAME HIS TAX EVASION ON THE ACCOUNTANT. FEBRUARY 26, 2019 ORDER FILED BY THE APPELLATE DIVISION IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK REGARDING DISCIPLINARY PROCEEDINGS AGAIST MICHAEL COHEN PART OF THE RECORD. THIS ORDER, WHICH PROACTIVELY APPLIES, STARTING FEBRUARY 28, ESTABLISHES COHEN COMMITTED A SERIOUS CRIME AND CEASED BEING AN ATTORNEY WHEN HE WAS CONVICTED OF LYING TO CONGRESS. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED. >>FINALLY MR. CHAIRMAN I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE THE JULY 26, 2018 WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE MICHAEL COHEN’S SECRETLY RECORDED TRUMP, DOES THAT MAKE HIM A BAD LAWYER, PART OF THE RECORD. THE ARTICLE DESCRIBES POTENTIAL ETHICAL VIOLATIONS OF A LAWYER, COHEN RECORDING HIS CLIENT, TRUMP, WITHOUT THE CLIENT’S KNOW KNOWLEDGE BUT WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED MR. NORTON? >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE THE JANUARY 18, 2019 HUFFINGTON POST ARTICLE 11 TWEETS FROM THE FAKE FAN ACCOUNT STOOD MICHAEL COHEN PLATE TO ALL PART OF THE RECORD THE ACCOUNT DESCRIBED AS A PLACE WHERE WOMEN WO LOVED MICHAEL COHEN, STRONG SIX SYMBOL NON- BUSINESS-ORIENTED. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED. >>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MAKE THE APRIL 20, 2018 ARTICLE IN MOTHER JONES TITLED MICHAEL COHEN SAYS HE HAS NEVER BEEN TO PRAGUE HE TOLD ME A DIFFERENT STORY, PART OF THE RECORD. >>WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED. >> THANK YOU. >>VERY WELL. MR. COHEN I HAVE SOME CONCLUDING REMARKS, BEFORE I DO THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY? >>YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD. I HAVE SOME CLOSING REMARKS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO MYSELF BECAUSE THIS AN APPROPRIATE TIME? >>YOU CAN DO IT NOW. >> THANK YOU. FIRST I WANT TO THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, BECAUSE I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE SOME FINAL THOUGHTS. I HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED I MADE MY OWN MISTAKES AND I HAVE OWNED UP TO THEM PUBLICLY AND UNDER OATH. THE SILENCE AND COMPLICITY IN THE FACE OF THE DAILY DESTRUCTION OF OUR BASIC NORMS AND ITS ABILITY TO ONE ANOTHER WILL NOT BE ONE OF THEM. I DID THINGS AND I ACTED IMPROPERLY. AT TIMES AT MR. TRUMP’S BEHEST. I BLINDLY FOLLOWED HIS DEMANDS. MY LOYALTY TO MR. TRUMP HAS COST ME EVERYTHING. MY FAMILY’S HAPPINESS, FRIENDSHIPS, MY LAW LICENSE, MY COMPANY, MY LIVELIHOOD, MY HONOR , MY REPUTATION AND SOON, MY FREEDOM. AND I WILL NOT SIT BACK AND SAY NOTHING AND ALLOW HIM TO DO THE SAME TO THE COUNTRY. INDEED, GIVEN MY EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR MR. TRUMP, I FEAR THAT IF HE LOSES THE ELECTION IN 2020 THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE A PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF POWER AND THIS IS WHY I AGREED TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU TODAY AND IN CLOSING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY DIRECTLY TO THE PRESIDENT, WE HONOR OUR VETERANS EVEN IN THE RAIN. YOU TELL THE TRUTH EVEN WHEN IT DOESN’T AGGRANDIZE YOU. YOU RESPECT THE LAW AND OUR AND CREDIBLE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS, YOU DON’T ILLINOIS THEM. YOU DON’T DISPARAGE GENERALS, GOLD STAR FAMILIES, PRISONERS OF WAR AND OTHER HEROES WHO HAD THE COURAGE TO FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY. YOU DON’T ATTACK THE MEDIA AND THOSE WHO QUESTION WHAT YOU DON’T LIKE OR WHAT YOU DON’T WANT THEM TO SAY. AND YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN DIRTY DEEDS. YOU DON’T USE YOUR POWER OF YOUR BULLY PULPIT TO DESTROY THE CREDIBILITY OF THOSE WHO SPEAK OUT AGAINST YOU. YOU DON’T SEPARATE FAMILIES FROM ONE ANOTHER OR DEMONIZE THOSE LOOKING TO AMERICA FOR A BETTER LIFE. YOU DON’T VILIFY PEOPLE BASED ON THE GOD THEY PRAY TO IN YOU DON’T CUDDLE UP TO OUR ADVERSARIES AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR ALLIES. AND FINALLY, YOU DON’T SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT BEFORE CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR’S JUST TO SIMPLY APPEASE YOUR BASE. THIS BEHAVIOR IS CHURLISH, IT DENIGRATES THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT AND IT IS SIMPLY UN- AMERICAN AND IT IS NOT YOU. SO TO THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT AND HIS RHETORIC, AS I ONCE DID, I PRAY THE COUNTRY DOESN’T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES THAT I HAVE MADE OR PAID A HEAVY PRICE THAT MY FAMILY AND I ARE PAYING. IN A THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS ADDITIONAL TIME, CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE RANKING MEMBER HAS A CLOSING STATEMENT. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. WE KNOW MR. COHEN HAS BEEN DISHONEST IN THE PAST, THAT IS WHY HE IS GOING TO PRISON IN TWO MONTHS, BUT THERE ARE THINGS TODAY THAT HE SAID DURING THE SEVERAL HOURS OF QUESTIONING THAT JUST DON’T ADD HE SAID HE NEVER DEFRAUDED ANY BANK. WHEN HE WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION QUESTIONING FOR MR. COLBER, I’M SUE THAT’S NOT TRUE BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO PRISON FOR THAT VERY OFFENSE. HE SAID TODAY HE WAS A GOOD LAWYER WHO UNDERSTOOD THE NEED TO REPRESENT HIS CLIENT, HIS CLIENT WITH LEGAL ADVICE, BUT IN HIS WRITTEN TESTIMONY HE SAID HE NEVER BOTHERED TO CONSIDER WHETHER PAYMENTS TO WOMEN FOR IMPROPER, WHETHER PAYMENTS WERE IMPROPER MUCH LESS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. HE ATTESTED IN HIS SIGNED TRUTH AND TESTIMONY FORM HE DID NOT HAVE ANY REPORTABLE CONTRACTS WITH FOREIGN GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. EARLY HE ADMITTED TO HAVING CONSULTING AGREEMENTS WITH AT LEAST TWO FOREIGN ENTITIES OWNED IN PART BY FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS. BTA BANK OF KAZAKHSTAN AND KOREA AIRSPACE INDUSTRIES OF SOUTH KOREA. HE SAID TO CHAIRMAN CUMMINS THAT PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP DIRECTED HIM IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION CFO ALAN WEISEL BERG TO QUOTE GO BACK TO HIS OFFICE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THE $130,000 PAYMENT THE IN HIS TESTIMONY HE SAYS MR. TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO USE MY OWN PERSONAL FUNDS FROM THE HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT TO AVOID ANY MONEY BEING TRACED BACK TO HIM THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE CAMPAIGN AND IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION ABOUT HIM PAIN TO SET UP THE FAKE TWITTER ACCOUNT,@WOMEN FOR COHEN, HE DID DIRECT THE COMMISSION OF THAT TWITTER ACCOUNT HE SAYS I DID NOT SET THAT UP IT WAS DONE BY YOUNG LADY THAT WORKS FOR THE FIRM, WHEN IN FACT HE DID ASK THE I.T. FIRM REDFISH TO SET IT UP ACCORDING TO THE OWNER OF REDFISH. FINALLY, HE SAID HE DIDN’T WANT A JOB WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, EVEN THOUGH THE ATTORNEYS WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK STATED THAT THIS WAS A FACT WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS THEY SAID I WOULDN’T CALL THEM LIARS BUT THAT STATEMENT IS NOT ACCURATE. MR. CHAIRMAN I THINK MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING TODAY, MR. MEADOWS AND I SENT YOU A LETTER ASKING US, ASKING YOU TO HAVE MR. ROSENSTEIN HERE, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT LAST WEEK WHEN YOU ANNOUNCED THAT MR. COHEN WAS COMING THIS WEEK, JUST HAPPENED TO BE THE VERY SAME WEEK THAT WE LEARNED THAT DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES WAS THINKING ABOUT WEARING A WIRE TO RECORD THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, WAS ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATING, TALKING TO CABINET MEMBERS AND INVOKING THE 25th AMENDMENT. THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON NOT THIS SAD DISPLAY WE HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS. AGAIN, IT IS NOT MY WORDS, YOU CAN TAKE THE WORDS OF THE FORMER GENERAL COUNCIL FOR THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES UNDER TIP O’NEILL. SO HOPE WE HAVE LEARNED SOME THINGS TODAY. BUT, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS I SAID EARLIER, YOUR FIRST BIG HEARING, THE FIRST ANNOUNCED WITNESS OF THE 116th CONGRESS IS A GENTLEMAN WHO IS GOING TO PRISON IN TWO MONTHS FOR LYING TO CONGRESS. I DON’T THINK THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON. I YIELD BACK. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SAT HERE AND HAVE LISTENED TO ALL OF THIS AND IT IS VERY PAINFUL. IT IS VERY PAINFUL. YOU MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES MR. COHEN AND YOU HAVE ADMITTED THAT. AND ONE OF THE SADDEST PARTS OF THIS WHOLE THING IS THAT SOME VERY INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE HURTING TOO. AND YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. AND THAT IS YOUR FAMILY. AND SO YOU COME HERE TODAY — DEEP IN MY HEART, WIND I PRACTICED LAW I REPRESENTED A LOT OF LAWYERS WHO GOT IN TROUBLE. AND YOU COME SAYING I HAVE MADE MY MISTAKES, BUT NOW I WANT TO CHANGE MY LIFE. AND YOU KNOW IF WE, AS A NATION, DID NOT GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY AFTER THEY HAVE MADE MISTAKES TO CHANGE THEIR LIVES A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD NOT DO VERY WELL. I DON’T KNOW WHERE YOU GO FROM HERE. AS I SAT HERE AND LISTENED TO BOTH SIDES, I JUST FELT AS IF — PEOPLE ARE NOW USING MY WORDS THAT THEY TOOK FROM ME, THAT DIDN’T GIVE ME CREDIT, WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. WE REALLY ARE. AS A COUNTRY, WE ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THIS. I TOLD YOU, OR SOME REASON MR. COHEN I TELL MY CHILDREN, I SAY WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO YOU DO NOT ASK THE QUESTION WHY DID IT HAPPEN TO ME, ASK THE QUESTION WHY DID IT HAPPEN FOR ME? I DON’T KNOW WHY THIS IS HAPPENING FOR YOU YOU, BUT IT IS MY HOPE THAT A SMALL PART OF IT IS FOR OUR COUNTRY TO BE BETTER. IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE CRYING OUT FOR A NEW NORMAL FOR US GETTING BACK TO NORMAL. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR DEMOCRACY STAYS INTACT. THE ONE MEETING I HAD WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP I SAID TO HIM THE GREATEST GIFT THAT YOU AND I , MR. PRESIDENT, CAN GIVE TO OUR CHILDREN IS MAKING SURE THAT WE GIVE THEM A DEMOCRACY THAT IS INTACT. A DEMOCRACY BETTER THAN THE ONE WE CAME UPON. AND I AM HOPING THAT THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID TODAY WILL HELP US AGAIN TO GET BACK THERE. I MEAN, COME ON NOW, I MEAN WHEN YOU’VE GOT THE WASHINGTON POST, AS MY PRESENT HAS MADE AT LEAST 8718 FALSE OR MISLEADING STATEMENTS. THAT IS STUNNING. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN. AND SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT CAUGHT UP IN IT. YOU GOT CAUGHT UP IN IT. YOU GOT CAUGHT UP IN IT. AND SOME KIND AWAY I HOPE THAT YOU, I KNOW THAT IT IS PAINFUL GOING TO PRISON, I KNOW IT HAS GOT TO BE PAINFUL BEING CALLED A RAT. LET ME EXPLAIN A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT BUT I LIVE IN INNER-CITY BALTIMORE, AND WHEN YOU CALL SOMEBODY A RAT THAT IS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS YOU CAN CALL THEM BECAUSE WHEN THEY GO TO PRISON THAT MEANS A SNITCH. I’M JUST SAYING. SO THE PRESIDENT CALLED YOU A RAT. WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT. WE REALLY ARE. AND I AM HOPING THAT ALL OF US CAN GET BACK TO THIS DEMOCRACY THAT WE WANT AND THAT WE SHOULD BE PASSING ON TO OUR CHILDREN SO THEY CAN DO BETTER THAN WHAT WE DID. SO YOU WONDER WHETHER PEOPLE BELIEVE YOU. I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T KNOW WHETHER THEY BELIEVE YOU, BUT THE FACT IS THAT YOU COME, YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD DOWN AND THAT HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS YOU CAN DO. LET ME TELL YOU THE PICTURE THAT REALLY, REALLY PAINED ME, YOU WERE LEAVING THE PRISON, LEAVING THE COURTHOUSE AND I GUESS YOUR DAUGHTER HAD BRACES OR SOMETHING ON. THAT THING HURT ME. IS THE FATHER OF TWO DAUGHTERS IT HURT ME. AND I CAN IMAGINE HOW IT MUST HURT FOR YOU. I AM JUST SAYING TO YOU I WANT TO FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN HARD, I KNOW YOU FACED A LOT, I KNOW YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR FAMILY BUT THIS IS A PART OF YOUR DESTINY. AND HOPEFULLY THIS PORTION OF YOUR DESTINY WILL LEAD TO A BETTER, A BETTER, A BETTER MICHAEL COHEN, A BETTER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, A BETTER UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND A BETTER WORLD. AND I MEAN THAT FROM THE DEPTHS OF MY HEART. WE ARE DANCING WITH THE ANGELS THE QUESTION WILL BE ASKED IN 2019 WHAT DO WE DO TO MAKE SURE WE KEPT OUR DEMOCRACY INTACT. DID WE STAND ON THE SIDELINES AND SAY NOTHING. I AM TIRED OF THESE STATEMENTS THEY SAY OH THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING. IT IS NOT THE FIRST HEARING. THE FIRST HEARING WITH REGARD TO PRESCRIPTION DRUGS REMEMBER A LITTLE GIRL, A LADY SAT THERE , HER DAUGHTER DIED BECAUSE SHE COULD NOT GET $333 A MONTH IN INSOLENT. THAT WAS OUR FIRST HEARING. SECOND HEARING, HR ONE VOTING RIGHTS CORRUPTION IN GOVERNMENT. COME ON NOW WE CAN DO MORE THAN ONE THING. AND WE HAVE GOT TO GET BACK TO NORMAL. WITH THAT, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. . >>WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING TESTIMONY HERE FROM FORMER PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, MICHAEL COHEN. THERE YOU SEE MR. COHEN IN THE HEARING ROOM. IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY. THIS IS A HEARING, AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING, IT STARTED THIS MORNING. BROKE FOR A SHORT TIME AND RESUMED WITH THE HEARING JUST NOW WRAPPING UP. THERE YOU SEE AS WELL IN THE HEARING ROOM MICHAEL COHEN’S OWN ATTORNEY, LANNY DAVIS, WHO WE LEARNED OVER THE COURSE OF THIS IS APPARENTLY WORKING FOR FREE. MR. COHEN TESTIFIED. BUT, THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST HIGHLY ANTICIPATED, I THINK IT IS SAFE TO SAY, EVENTS IN WASHINGTON, PARTICULARLY WITH THE DEMOCRATS COMING TO POWER IN THE HOUSE. THIS, AS WE SAW THERE FROM CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS WAS WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO DO WAS ASK QUESTIONS THAT THEY HOPED WOULD ILLUMINATE SOME OF THE HAPPENINGS AROUND THE CANDIDACY OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AND EVEN AS WE HEARD FROM MICHAEL COHEN, EVENTS THAT TRANSPIRED DURING THE PRESIDENCY OF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. LET’S BRING IN RIGHT NOW OUR PAULA REID, CBS NEWS WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT IN WASHINGTON. REBECCA IS A CBSN LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR AND FORMER ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY FOR NEW YORK COUNTY.

100 Comments

  1. Rosie Dotz
    Rosie Dotz February 28, 2019

    The second parts starts at 6:40🙌💃

  2. S D
    S D February 28, 2019

    Trump 2020 2024 2028……hahaha…..what a sea of fools here!

  3. B B
    B B February 28, 2019

    Imagine wanting to invoke the 25th on a totally insane destructive POTUS! Oh yeah…let's do it!!

  4. Sword Breaker
    Sword Breaker February 28, 2019

    Just another leftist farce, debunked almost before the video finished uploading.

  5. Sophie Peraaud
    Sophie Peraaud February 28, 2019

    WE ALREADY SEEN AND KNOW THE REPUBLICANS ARE LYING CROOKS.

  6. J S
    J S February 28, 2019

    I love how the Republicans bring up Mr. Cohen's ethics while defending one of the most unethical people I've ever seen, I also love how Mr. Jordan brings up the Dems using a play book as he reads from a script

  7. Gideon
    Gideon February 28, 2019

    what. a. joke.

  8. Ragnarok
    Ragnarok February 28, 2019

    Debbie was helping Hillary cheat in the election and she was forced to step down, funny how she wants to talk about trump cheating when she’s no better.

  9. Serge Sauvé
    Serge Sauvé February 28, 2019

    This is awful. Republicans asking the same damn question 20 times bashing the guy on personal topics. Not asking pertinent questions concerning the fraud that Trump is. Pathethic guys… Did Trump use funds thrue his trust to pay prostitutes ? YES. Did Trump knew about the Russian deal ? YES. Did trump falsify documents in order to pay less tax ? YES. Is Trump a liar ? YES. And on and on…A real crook.

  10. Yaneen Fedrick
    Yaneen Fedrick February 28, 2019

    The president is guilty

  11. Mac A.
    Mac A. March 1, 2019

    4:27:45 Interesting… when Mr. Steube asked Cohen about proof of the purpose of the payment, Cohen says "Mr. Trump doesn't text message"… but then at 7:03:09, Cohen says Mr. Trump texted him to find the straw bidder… hmm.

  12. Christina Mueller
    Christina Mueller March 1, 2019

    Why in the world would anybody not want to hear the truth about a sitting president?

  13. Sea shadowbanned N.Christopher
    Sea shadowbanned N.Christopher March 1, 2019

    HAHAHAHAHAHA… the bigots on the Left are so desperate…..
    So sick of socialist democrat propaganda….”PROVING POSSIBLE….blah.”..HAHAHAHAH

  14. Roberta Hubert
    Roberta Hubert March 1, 2019

    6:49:11 a black man was removed by the police?? I'm just wondering why??

  15. Roberta Hubert
    Roberta Hubert March 1, 2019

    As bad as Cohen is he is an innocent compared to Trump. He is going to prison for his crimes but Trump remains the President of the United States.???how is this possible???

  16. Pickle rick!!
    Pickle rick!! March 1, 2019

    Libtard alert! I'm sorry making fun of people with mental handicaps is just wrong and gets Dems butts hurting.redacted

  17. T
    T March 1, 2019

    Mr. Jordan you will be, and your posterity will be shamed for decades.

  18. Anunaki T.
    Anunaki T. March 1, 2019

    Melania, take your son and head off to Transylvania or wherever it is you and your chain immigration parents came from. Time to move on.

  19. Gerald Slonaker
    Gerald Slonaker March 1, 2019

    Cohen's closing remarks at around 7 hrs and 19 min sounds like they were written for him by CNN or MSNBC LOL

  20. red russo
    red russo March 1, 2019

    Americans are so lazy and stupid you love car salesman that smile to your face and tell you emotional BS that makes you excited. Facts don't mean anything because Americans don't know what a fact is you guys love this Cohen guy who lies to your face. Trump continuously works for this country and does things no other president has ever done and now you all want to live in Soviet Russia the place that we came from to get away from socialist you're all idiots

  21. Rob Holly
    Rob Holly March 1, 2019

    AOC asked questions like a pro

  22. Ronnel Vickers
    Ronnel Vickers March 1, 2019

    As much as I like Jim Jordan ,I wish he could have went deeper into hammering this pos ,missing the bulldog who jumped out for no reason ,Chavez, and Hillary smoker Trey howdy ,missing these people !!!!

  23. docoluv9
    docoluv9 March 1, 2019

    4:15 wiki leaks hacked. Ummm so they did so is it Russia or then can't be both. BTW want any hacking was Seth rich that obsconded with the stolen info. That's why he was murdered. Kim. Com explained it.

  24. docoluv9
    docoluv9 March 1, 2019

    So it's ok that all the treasonous acts that came from the emails happened just don't steal the emails. Lol completely rediculous

  25. Carl
    Carl March 1, 2019

    Notice his head shaking when Mr. Jordan was trying to make it sound as if all his crimes were committed for himself lol.

  26. Josue2018
    Josue2018 March 1, 2019

    testimony isn't delivering any real' damage to Trump. nothing particularly revelatory. testimony is pretty underwhelming.

  27. Babe
    Babe March 1, 2019

    Mr Rory you mention the Americans are more concerned with the things going on near or at the border.. you failed to mention the two green beret soldiers that were caught smuggling cocaine inside the US… so stop it with the border wall speech.. The American people know the POTUS IS CROOKED! #impeachment #Impeach

  28. islandslim ting
    islandslim ting March 1, 2019

    Starts at 21:00 … You're welcome 😊

  29. islandslim ting
    islandslim ting March 1, 2019

    How can the Republicans condemn Cohen when Trump paid him to commit all these federal crimes? How can you both justify and condemn an individual for engaging in the very same things ? The truth is they're all liars Michael Cohen, Trump, & committee members included.

  30. MOMMYWASAMUD SHARK
    MOMMYWASAMUD SHARK March 1, 2019

    Did he say "liar liar your pants on fire?"

  31. A A
    A A March 1, 2019

    For some reason, I'd like to see a movie about this man's life.

  32. micky0000
    micky0000 March 1, 2019

    The way the republicans are behaving to defend their boss even tho it’s clearly how guilty he is , is the reason why humanity is gonna parish out of ignorance and corruption

  33. L. A.
    L. A. March 1, 2019

    Michael Cohen committed crimes FOR TRUMP ! Gym Jordan and Racist Meadows are filth

  34. Fredrick's Kitchen
    Fredrick's Kitchen March 1, 2019

    Michail cohen is just another democrat puppet.

  35. muf
    muf March 1, 2019

    Just skip the republicans parts, they yell stupidities just showing their mental disabilities. The relevant, important questions come from the democrats.

  36. Cristina Cabral
    Cristina Cabral March 1, 2019

    This is like Kabuki theater this is not going to age well for the republicans. The GOP you don't balance the budget, you don't care about health care, you have demonstrated to us what your position has been. You are all being paid by Putin

  37. Cpt. Crunch
    Cpt. Crunch March 1, 2019

    Looks like the "witch hunt" is working it's way to the whole coven.

  38. Cpt. Crunch
    Cpt. Crunch March 1, 2019

    1:50:00 "I have a color tv"

  39. El Profe Gomez
    El Profe Gomez March 1, 2019

    These about us te people of the greatest country in the world. Congress is our reprensentative, but defending a crimal in office is not acceptable

  40. Amanda V
    Amanda V March 1, 2019

    God, Rep. Jordan is a joke. Unprofessional and tacky. Ugh.

  41. Trichelle Vargas
    Trichelle Vargas March 1, 2019

    Well if trump didn't know a crook was working for and under him for 10 years, is he qualified to be president. He surrounded himself with these types of people but he had no involvement, no knowledge, and is surprised by all this? I find that hard to believe.

  42. Luis G A
    Luis G A March 1, 2019

    Trumpf and these Republicans are all co-conspirators and Russian moles now… treason!

  43. Stan Wilder
    Stan Wilder March 1, 2019

    Mr. Michael Cohen says that "Trump is Racist, Crooked, Dishonest and I agree he's just like Obama, Bush, Clinton" we thought that would make all the dems happy because that is what they have voted for over the p[ast 20 years.

  44. Cat Weasel
    Cat Weasel March 2, 2019

    We need more plumbers

  45. iquanyin
    iquanyin March 2, 2019

    debbie wasserman schultz helped rig the dem convention against bernie. had she not done that, bernie—the legitimate dem nominee and long thought by experienced people to be the ONLY one who could have beat trump—might have gone on to win and our country would be vastly better off. just wanted to remind folks of that bit of history. also, there would have been nothing for the russians to reveal.

  46. iquanyin
    iquanyin March 2, 2019

    haha, the republicans are scared to ask any questions! because of what cohen might reveal. so they just spend time repeating their poster: liar liar pants on fire! 😂😂😂

  47. iquanyin
    iquanyin March 2, 2019

    i love how the R asshats pretend that the people with the good on trump should be angels who would somehow know.

  48. iquanyin
    iquanyin March 2, 2019

    everything the republicans say about cohen is even more true about them

  49. Michael Harpole
    Michael Harpole March 2, 2019

    Circus

  50. iquanyin
    iquanyin March 2, 2019

    man, two hours in and the republicans haven’t asked a single pertinent or helpful thing.

  51. iquanyin
    iquanyin March 2, 2019

    what, they are trying to charge him with more crimes to make him stop talking! nothing is too low for these R clowns. o.m.g.

  52. Fuck your reply.
    Fuck your reply. March 2, 2019

    Jordan has to be the sorriest excuse for a man I have ever witnessed.

  53. Lilli Lizzy
    Lilli Lizzy March 2, 2019

    Dag! He's singing like Patti LaBelle.

  54. Lariz Hector
    Lariz Hector March 2, 2019

    Michael Cohen, it don't matter if he came voluntarily, a liar is a lair and coming voluntarily;this is some old trick that many guilty people play.
    I can believe the short time that he going to be in jail; if it was one of us they will keep us in jail for ever? Also Mr.Cummings , He try to soften our ears with eloquent words, but He don't say nothing good about Our President, in fact he descriminate against The President.
    Wow! Democrats are terrify of President Donald Trump 2020. ( say no! to baby's killers) ( say no to socialism)
    RED on 2020.God bless the USA.

  55. A Andrus
    A Andrus March 2, 2019

    "The days of this committee protecting the President at all costs are over." – Representative Elijah Cummings 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  56. Mandalyn Echols
    Mandalyn Echols March 2, 2019

    Republican are adding nothing of value… might as well save 3 hours and skip them.

  57. jayson biggs
    jayson biggs March 2, 2019

    I get the impression that Rep. Jordan is trying to give the impression that he is smarter than he is. He comes across as a loud, arrogant knucklhead. Rep. Meadows appears to be smarter. Not a knucklehead. But definitely pompous and arrogant.

  58. anneloc1
    anneloc1 March 2, 2019

    I agree why are the reps not asking questions and just making speeches

  59. Carl
    Carl March 2, 2019

    @ 56:47 the bank copy of proof of a wire transfer to stormy Daniels according to Cohen is not at all what he says it is..Read the document…only proof there is that he withdrawed $131,000…..doesnt show a thing about what he did with that money…More lies from this idiot. Also @ 57:44 that check means nothing..You cant have a personal lawyer without paying them..Where is the proof of what this money was paid to him for..What a liar. @ 1:00:09 there is nothing at all illegal about that letter..This is what a lawyer is supposed to do.That was a legal document for the purpose of informing the school of the penal code..This man is just mad because he will be doing jail time, HE decided to lie under oath to our over sight committee and he wants to blame it on somebody,so why not Trump…Pathetic waste of air this man is..No wonder he got fired…Innocent until PROVEN guilty,remember that people.Zero proof Trump is guilty of anything..Mueller even knows this..Democrats will never learn.

  60. Biobot One
    Biobot One March 2, 2019

    I don’t care if the presidents attorney general gets caught selling weapons to Mexican drug cartels, I’m still voting to re-elect him! Now what!?

  61. travis barnhart
    travis barnhart March 3, 2019

    everytime Replublicans time runs out during a question, Cohen shockingly "doesnt uunderstand the question" or "doesnt have an answer" hmmmm corruption

  62. Wendy Sue
    Wendy Sue March 3, 2019

    One will not be able to tell truth from lies. One can't tell what his motive for testifying is or for saying what he says. And when they had a chance to question a witness for Trump, Lynne Patton, who is known for her excellent character and accomplishments, they brushed her aside, called her a prop because she is black, and then said it was racist to bring a black witness, who knows Trump very well, to testify for Trump's character and show by her good charachter and opinion that he isn't a racist. See they won't allow anything else in the bubble of they're narrative.
    So they are all liars and this is much worse for the American people than anybody realizes. Because these lawmakers aren't using the law they are using the power their position gives them to destroy the law. And anybody who doesn't fit their ever changing narrative now is their target. They are lawless, operating under lawlessness and parading a lawless one about as their proof that others broke the law.

  63. joe harris
    joe harris March 3, 2019

    i'd love to hear why it's so important to these republicans to have a guy from their team as POTUS. if he's a criminal why isn't that more important than their loyalties? can anyone recommend a video to me that would help me understand? please?

  64. Carl
    Carl March 3, 2019

    All of these republicans speaking are traitors.

  65. Carl
    Carl March 3, 2019

    7:11 you can defend someone all you want, when you use someone like you did it in the very least makes you a supporter of a racist.

  66. Sensible Observer
    Sensible Observer March 3, 2019

    There is a lot of "beating a dead horse" going on here.

  67. Mark Sanders
    Mark Sanders March 3, 2019

    Trump is a liar and his corrupt. I hope he rots in prison…

  68. Raoul Solarino
    Raoul Solarino March 3, 2019

    The Republicans not only disgraced themselves in front of the country here but they proved beyond any question that they are complicit in the crimes of this president.
    Once Trump is crushed by the wheels of justice WE MUST NOT FORGET the traitors on this committee who sought to undermine our democracy.
    Jordan & Meadows, you are at the top of that list.

  69. Rockinghorse Winner
    Rockinghorse Winner March 4, 2019

    Dying, discredited (totally discredited at this point) MSM's last stand….

  70. MadakiNomaroishi
    MadakiNomaroishi March 5, 2019

    I'm just here to get book deals – the end ,oh and I'm a Democrat 👌

  71. Mark Sanders
    Mark Sanders March 5, 2019

    If Trump was innocent he would not be calling Cohen a rat. When Trump calls Cohen a rat is he not admitting that he is guilty? An innocent person would not be responding that way

  72. metparker
    metparker March 5, 2019

    How do you run a government, like this. Why doesn't EVERYONE want to get to the bottom of these issues. It reminds me of the fall of Rome. Govern yourselves according.

  73. Lennart Krantz
    Lennart Krantz March 5, 2019

    It takes a thief to catch a thief. The republicans are wasting a lot of time telling us , the audience , how bad and dishonest Mr. Cohen is. We know that already. The republicans want a more decent and credible witness to question. Such nice people seldom have contacts in- or knowledge about the underworld. The entire Trump-investigation would come to a halt , if merely witnesses were questioned whom the republicans could appreciate , such as Mother Theresa or Mickey Mouse.

  74. D T
    D T March 5, 2019

    Cohen is lier!

  75. Mel Zee
    Mel Zee March 6, 2019

    Jim Jones was evil too and look what happened to those poor misguided souls. Now, looks like millions.

  76. Oreo Jays
    Oreo Jays March 6, 2019

    honestly think the republicans are just reading off scripts 🤣

  77. toney ingram
    toney ingram March 6, 2019

    Trump always been a Lowdown lying dog and will be lying the day satan come back for him and his people

  78. toney ingram
    toney ingram March 6, 2019

    Kim and Putin are making a bigger damn fool out of trump and his brain dead people who love a evil lying devil like trump

  79. Albert Elmore
    Albert Elmore March 7, 2019

    That closing statement from Cummings tho!

  80. excited box
    excited box March 9, 2019

    How did they miss that he said not all those hush money payments had were to women? Seems someone was sleeping with men too.

  81. Caleb Keane
    Caleb Keane March 10, 2019

    That low life from North Dakota is clearly just angry about someone saying anything negative about Trump, you can actually see his hand shaking. I'm really tired of partisan politics!

  82. Intru Enze
    Intru Enze March 11, 2019

    Cohename

  83. Intru Enze
    Intru Enze March 11, 2019

    Interesting how Michael blows the trumpet

  84. Oreo Jays
    Oreo Jays March 13, 2019

    2:53:20 WHERE ARE THE BOXES!!!!!!!!!!!

  85. Brock Madigan
    Brock Madigan March 13, 2019

    1st Witness will be going to prison for lying to Congress. Swear em in !!! He has been thoroughly vetted by Mr. Schiff, obama FBI and RMueller.

  86. Hilmon Stigler. Isaac jr
    Hilmon Stigler. Isaac jr March 13, 2019

    What,s the real name

  87. Hilmon Stigler. Isaac jr
    Hilmon Stigler. Isaac jr March 13, 2019

    L I e lie

  88. Latasha Roberts
    Latasha Roberts March 14, 2019

    Y’all voted for Trump! All politicians lied. Trump is not a good liar. The World is weak, will entertain anything that tickles their ears

  89. Latasha Roberts
    Latasha Roberts March 14, 2019

    IM SICK OF JORDAN, AND THE OTHER JERKS

  90. A Naam
    A Naam March 17, 2019

    I had no idea the queen was there too (Ms. Pressly). No pressure.

  91. tree man
    tree man March 18, 2019

    Another one bites the dust
    Another one bites the dust
    Another one gone
    Another one gone
    Another one bites the dust
    Hey, they're gonna get Trump too😁👍
    Another one bites the dust
    Badda boomp boomp boomp
    Ba doom doom doom doom doomp…..
    Badda boomp boomp boomp
    Ba doom doom doom doom doomp!!!!!!

  92. Simo Galile
    Simo Galile March 22, 2019

    Thank you Mr. Cohen for lecturing the coward Republicans and showing them what they really are.

  93. Tech 45
    Tech 45 March 25, 2019

    NO Russia cuison,DEMS stop wasting tax payers money! And stop beating a dead hose in the ground 🙁

  94. Christopher Sinquefield
    Christopher Sinquefield March 27, 2019

    Nice video

  95. Lennart Krantz
    Lennart Krantz April 21, 2019

    This hearing shows that the USA is still a free nation. US and UK soldiers liberated Denmark from Hitlers hangmen and pushed out Stalin's robot-soldiers from the Danish island Bornholm. Mr. Cohen would have disappeared long ago in Mr. Putin's Russia or Mr. Xi's China.

  96. Stephen Davis
    Stephen Davis May 11, 2019

    Look at all these devils they can't even accept that their president is a racist and everything that he's accused of this devil's play ground which is america is what caused the world to be like what is is today, the destroyer of the world.

  97. James Wilson
    James Wilson June 15, 2019

    The Very Idea That
    Cohen Abused The
    Attorney Client
    Priveledges, then
    Viciously Assaulted
    Verbal Allegations
    Then Spew Attempts Possibilities?Without
    Fact, Lies No Merit.
    Mrs.Wilson(Quote…
    "If I were Pres.Trump,
    I Would Sue Cohen,
    Muellar, & Pelosi,
    Bidden, Schumer……
    I would Sue Them
    Defamation. Of
    Character…………….!

  98. Pope Cody
    Pope Cody June 22, 2019

    God, this guy is such a stooge.

  99. Anne Wyatt
    Anne Wyatt August 6, 2019

    Who would know the truth!!🤷‍♀️ my main issue here is he hates Trump and as his attorney what happened to attorney/ client privilege? Cullen is a pig 🐷 Would've had a bit of respect after prison if he had just shut up… but who know what the truth is from this 🐷 I'm sure his lawyer and the dems wrote his opening speech🤦‍♀️ and Trump had an affair, so what !!! Clinton more than had them then openly lied to the American people.
    This 🐷 Cullen shouldn't even been here. The dems are scratching at straws 🙄

  100. Erik E
    Erik E August 16, 2019

    Cummings what a joke send him to zoo

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