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sound like it's gonna be the best podcast ever it's the second best Rachel doing the transcripts is the best come on fans have spoken okay Thank You Rachel Thank You Larry well we have new palling tonight on the presidential race and it is showing a possible statistical tie for first place among the Democratic candidates between Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren now I know you haven't heard that before because I know just about every discussion of this poll and most polls in political campaigns completely ignores the margin of error the margin of error in this new NBC news/wall Street Journal poll is four point nine percent just about five points as a margin of error and Joe Biden only has a seven point lead in the poll over Elizabeth Warren now I know that appears to be outside the margin of error but it isn't there's Joe Biden at 26 there's Elizabeth Warren at 19 okay what you always have to remember about the margin of error in a poll is that the margin means that any number in the poll could move five points in this case four point nine points in either direction up or down and those movements can be independent meaning Joe Biden's number could move down in reality Elizabeth from the Warrens number could be up higher in reality and there could be a spot in there in the truth somewhere inside the margin of error we're there actually in a possible statistical tie or possibly even Elizabeth Warren's a point ahead of Joe Biden that's how close this is that's how tight these polling numbers are now with Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden and I know that might sound confusing but that's the way margins of error work in polling and what you're really seeing now in this poll is this real tightening between Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren in that possible statistical tie for first place so when we consider all of these polling numbers later in the show let's remember that margin of error for all the candidates I'm going to be stressing that margin of error even more than I usually do because what that margin of error in this poll shows is the possibility that all the top-tier campaigns might actually be running much closer to each other it also means that some of those people who are suffering at the low end of this pole at two points at one point could actually be running higher than that within the margin of error of the pole so don't take this poll to be a very specific marking of exactly where each candidate is but it tells us a lot about the strengths of these candidates and the way those strengths are changing over time this obviously puts enormous pressure on the next round of debates because the biggest movement in the polls that we've seen since the first round of debates has been with senator Elizabeth Warren and Senator Komal Harris if they are perceived once again as they were before it to be the winners of the next round of debates it won't be the end of Joe Biden or any of its only the other top-tier candidates but that could be enough to end the hopes of some of the bottom polling candidates so is the Democratic field starting to really take shape we will study those polls later in this hour and we have breaking news tonight about new women coming forward saying Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused them when they were minors a lawyer for one of those newly revealed victims claiming she was abused by Jeffrey Epstein will join us later in this hour but first president Trump stepped up to the microphone in the Rose Garden this afternoon with the Attorney General at his side to finally admit that there was absolutely nothing they could do to change the effect of the recent Supreme Court decision forbidding a question about a person's citizenship on the next census the president then pretended that he was taking action despite the Supreme Court decision by ordering every department and agency the federal government to provide the Department of Commerce which is in charge of the census with all the data that those departments might have on citizenship statistics in this country if any that is data that is already available to the Census Bureau but it is still up to the Census Bureau and the professionals working there to decide exactly how to obtain the most accurate count available of persons living in the United States which is what the Constitution requires the census to count not citizens persons the Attorney General in the United States proudly stood beside the president in the Rose Garden as the president told this lie about Democrats far-left Democrats in our country are determined to conceal the number of illegal aliens in our midst they probably know the number is far greater much higher than anyone would have ever believed before maybe that's why they fight so hard this is part of a broader left-wing effort to erode the rights of the American citizen and it's very unfair to our country and then the Attorney General of the United States stepped up to the microphone to congratulate the President on his lying and to add to that lying Thank You mr. president and congratulations on today's executive order which will ensure that we finally have an accurate understanding of how many citizens and non-citizens live in our country that is absolutely not true there is nothing that the President ordered today that will make the next census more accurate the Attorney General knows that the Attorney General allowed himself to be a prop at a political reelection rally for the President on government property today leading off our discussion tonight are Neal Katyal former acting US Solicitor General and Jason Johnson politics cetera through common a professor of politics and media at Morgan State University both our MSNBC contributors Neal Katyal you've argued this case you're part of the team that won this case in the Supreme Court what did you see happening in the Rose Garden today well what I saw happening in the Rose Garden Lawrence was really a time for celebration for the American people because we have to celebrate a Supreme Court that reigned in this president calling his actions contrived in a waffle and an opinion by Chief Justice John Roberts we had to celebrate a rule of law we have to celebrate a Justice Department that stood up to the President and said we can't be asking these questions so that's the positive thing I saw in the Rose Garden the negative thing I saw is what not to celebrate the president Donald Trump who after all ordered this question put on the census in the first place because of the Voting Rights Act he said he wanted to enforce it which Union hear a word about in the ceremony today instead you heard all this rhetoric about counting illegal aliens and stuff like that which his citizenship stuff is never done in the first place it just asked whether you're a citizen or not doesn't even ask whether you're legal or illegal and more generally yeah sure he finally obeyed the Supreme Court after trying threatening to defy it for two weeks that's a pretty low bar I mean this is a president who for to last two weeks has been saying I'm going to issue an executive order to do an end run around the Supreme Court and I can't think of something more disqualifying for a President of the United States than to defy openly what a supreme court dezerter flirt with it that's just not what we look for in a leader Jason Johnson the president has a unique form of surrender he declares victory in every surrender and this seemed to me to be the staged attempt to claim a victory while surrendering to the Supreme Court yes the president claimed that he had victory last fall in the midterms the president claimed that he was exonerated by the Moller report I would love to see this man play poker he would probably leave the table naked and say I won I won they took all my clothes right like it doesn't really matter what the facts are Donald Trump is going to claim that he is somehow victorious that he has somehow been exonerated that he is somehow still able to do what he wants to do what's most disturbing to me in all honesty about we sought the Rose Garden is again it's the idea of the Attorney General William bar playing up to the president's lies you know there needs to be somebody occasionally in the White House who says to this president you're wrong this doesn't work let's move on I mean you saw that the entire team and the Justice Department basically said we can't do this for you and they tried to replace them so I'm concerned and also Lawrence this is just the opening salvo we still have a president who is finding ice agents basically to terrorize people throughout the country this weekend for no purpose other than to politically annoy people to frustrate people and to an today people so this census question being gone is just the beginning he's going to be attacking anybody he thinks he can with whatever resources he has available for the next two years and they'll cut y'all to the William Barr piece of this this is a week in which the Attorney General suggested that there was a way to move forward simply by changing the Justice Department lawyers who would be arguing this case and they actually went into court and tried to do that they ran into serious trouble in one court trying to change those lawyers but that that was the Attorney General trying as much as he possibly could to play along with the President on this yeah I've been disheartened by this Attorney General when it comes to this case both because of that and trying to basically swap in new lawyers he'll do Trump's dirty work but also just even today this whole idea of this charade that this executive order actually does anything all the executive order does according to its description by the president is order the Census Bureau to use its existing databases to collect information that's what the Census Bureau has been arguing all along that's what the challengers to this whole citizenship question have been arguing all along and what the Justice Department had been going into court to say oh that wouldn't be enough we actually have to formally add this question to the census and the like so all this executive order did was do what we are already doing with the Census Bureau wanted to do and I guess you can have a celebratory rose garden ceremony when you issue an executive order that says the sky is blue but at the end of the day you haven't done anything you've just announced what everyone already knows and Jason do you see coincidental timing here in the announcement of raids for this weekend at the same time when the president is making as much noise as you possibly can about the census you have people who are afraid of opening the door being told not to open the door to anyone who knocks on their doors and at some point next year in addition to mailing census forms out to people there will be people who go around the country and knock on doors to try to follow up on people who haven't mailed their census I've had my door knocked on by a young UCLA student who was hired for that purpose and and so this it strikes me as as all part of a chorus to try to make sure those doors stay closed tightly next year one census takers come around oh yes Lawrence you know the idea is to to keep brown and tan people from filling out the census that's what the president wants to do there's been plenty of sociological research you have former Republican consultants who have said that that is the goal the purpose of these sorts of things to make people nervous because when people are unsure counted or aren't counting themselves it makes it more easy for the federal government to not give resources to those particular communities for everything from gap disaster relief to education but Lawrence this is this is the thing that really frightens me about what's happening this weekend even beyond what might be the racial motivations even beyond the fact that even ice and Border Patrol agents have been saying we don't think this is the most effective way to go what leads anyone in this country to believe that the President of the United States will not use this method the weekend before a presidential election if he is allowed to do this whatever he wants basically just send sort of American troops throughout this country to major metropolitan cities to go after something that is not immediately an immediate danger to this country what makes you think he won't do this next election year he will it's another exercise of power on the part of Donald Trump that demonstrates that he wants to be a proto dictator he's not concerned about democracy or making this country better he is concerned about frightening non-white people in this country from participating in our democracy Neal Katyal what happens next on the census cases that are still before the courts well it's going to be up to the judges there to dismiss them or not you know there are all these allegations that for the president added this to the census for the point for the purpose of discriminating the reasons Jason was saying a moment ago so there are some questions about looking back in time but looking forward in time at least if the president's word can be taken today and you know I know that's a big if but but assuming that he follows through on what he said they're going to inform the courts there will be no citizenship question on the 2020 census which is exactly what we and all the challengers had been asking for so it is a stunning absolute victory for the challengers an absolute defeat for Trump and hopefully these court cases will now be entirely over and this whole lawless defiance of the Supreme Court will be put to bed Bill Cotterell and Jason Johnson thank you for leading off our discussions and I'd really appreciate it thanks Lawrence thank you and when we come back we have breaking news tonight Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused them when they were minors and Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers were asking the judge in his case today to send him home from federal custody and let him await trial under house arrest in his tile house in Manhattan that's next we got breaking news tonight from Miami Herald reporting new women coming forward claiming they were sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein on the same day that Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers asked a judge in New York to allow him to go home to his townhouse in Manhattan instead of waiting for trial in federal custody in the same Metropolitan Corrections Center were accused terrorists mobsters and the Mexican drug lord el chapo have had to wait for their trials Julie K Brown and David smiley of the Miami Herald are reporting tonight quote at least a dozen new victims have come forward to claim they were sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein even as the multi-millionaire money manager tries to convince a federal judge to allow him to await a sex trafficking trial from the comfort of the same 77 million dollar Manhattan mansion where he's accused of luring teenage girls into unwanted sex acts following Epstein's arrest Saturday in New Jersey four women have reached out to New York lawyer David Boies and at least 10 other women have approached other lawyers who have represented dozens of Epstein's alleged victims in the past Jack's Corolla a pooch attorney said at least five women all of whom were minors at the time of their encounters with Epstein have reached out to either him or Fort Lauderdale lawyer Brad Edwards quote the people we are speaking to are underage victims in Florida and in New York they are not individuals whose claims have previously been part of any law enforcement investigation Scarola said the Miami Herald reports that some of the Florida lawyers that have represented girls that were allegedly victimized by Jeffrey Epstein are concerned about what they say is his history of witness intimidation in the past attorney Jack Scarola said Jeffrey Epstein presents a very significant flight risk and I think that his proven pattern of intimidation of witnesses in the past is a strong indication there is reason to fear he would engage in the same kind of conduct again particularly since he is facing now what amounts to life in prison attorneys Carolla credits the US attorney in Manhattan Jeffrey Berman with encouraging possible victims of Jeffrey Epstein to come forward and making them feel they will be treated better this time then some girls were treated by Alex Acosta when he was the US attorney in Florida who agreed not to prosecute Jeffrey Epstein for any of the sex crimes outlined in a 53 page draft federal indictment that Alex Acosta's staff prepared before Alex Acosta decided to drop that case here is what the US attorney in Manhattan said on Monday that encouraged possible victims to come forward yesterday Alex Acosta who is now Donald Trump's Labor Secretary blames the very forgiving deal that he made with Jeffrey Epstein when he was the US attorney in Florida on the local state prosecutor who actually did bring charges against Jeffrey Epstein that resulted in a light 13 month jail sentence in which Jeffrey Epstein was allowed to spend at least 12 hours a day six days a week at his office in Florida Alex Costas statement provoked this from the former Palm Beach State Attorney Barry Krishna who said I can emphatically state that mr. Casas recollection of this matter is completely wrong the US Attorney's Office produced a 53 page indictment that was abandoned after secret negotiations between mr. Epstein's lawyers and mr. Acosta the State Attorney's Office was not a party to those meetings or negotiations indefinitely had no part in the federal non-prosecution agreement and the unusual confidentiality agreement that kept everything hidden from the victims mr. Acosta should not be allowed to rewrite history today Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers asked the federal judge in the case to allow Epstein to await trial under house arrest at his 77 million-dollar townhouse in Manhattan his lawyers offered to put up the townhouse and Epstein's private jet as a form of bail money along with any amount of additional money the judge might require Epstein's lawyers offered to hire private armed guards to in effect Epstein in his own Hall the judge has scheduled a hearing on the bail request for Monday in federal court in Manhattan and joining our discussion now is Mimi Roca a former assistant US attorney in the Southern District of New York she is an MSNBC legal contributor and we so many new developments here not surprising I suppose that there are so many new victims coming forward claiming that Jeffrey Epstein abuse them after the US attorney invited them to come forward exactly it's not surprising for two reasons one is anyone who saw even a clip or a headline from that press conference heard the US attorney and the head of the New York FBI office say we are here for the victims and I read something today about one of the victims from New York saying I have renewed faith in the justice system I trust these prosecutors it doesn't take a lot to earn the trust of someone who's been a victim of any crime not just sex trafficking murder violence fraud and the US attorney in Southern District of New York and the FBI director they did it in a second and that is why I think so many victims are going to come forward now because they understand this is different they are here for us to have our day in court they will take their chances maybe there's a litigation risk there always is but they are here for us the victims and so there are probably many girls out there women now but they wore girls then and some of them may have been abused after that agreement was reached with Epstein in Florida and that's gonna be the most tragic part about it but the good part is they have a voice now and that 53 page indictment that Alex Acosta threw away reportedly included information from over three dozen girls at that time women and talking about what happened to them when they were girls Reid Weingarten Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer has submitted this multi-page document to the court asking that he be sent home and that we can guarantee you he'll show up we'll put you know ankle bracelet on whatever you need and he says to the judge in asking for this he says quote there are no allegations in the indictment that mr. Epstein trafficked anybody for commercial profit that he forced coerced defrauded or enslaved anybody or that he engaged in any of the other paradigmatic sex trafficking activity that the law the federal law aims to eradicate now we happen to also have the federal law here which says it this it's a crime for any person who quote recruits entices harbors transports provides obtains advertises maintains patronizes or solicits so he according to the accusations did indeed recruit it's the very first verb they use in the law as a crime and so what Reed Reed Weingarten is saying in his letter is on its face is untrue about the accusations absolutely look I mean Reed Weingarten is a very good defense lawyer he's doing his job he's not saying this doesn't meet the statute he's saying come on this isn't so bad this isn't the kind of sex trafficking that people think of when they think of you know people being bound and you know but this is sex trafficking this is exactly what the federal statute aims to prevent girls who are not old enough who are vulnerable who are susceptible to coercion to fraud to being lured into these kinds of schemes this is what Jeffrey Epstein did he preyed on vulnerable young girls I have seen it so many times in my career and it is no less tragic than a scheme that uses violence and by the way I don't know that there wasn't violence here some of these girls were raped and sexually assaulted Jeffrey Epstein look this bail memo it's a good bail memo for asking for bail release it's exactly what the Southern District expected there's no surprises here they will have a very good response and I look forward to reading it and I do think he will be agitated and he's asking of a judge to do this who in the past has said this kind of basically house arrest for very rich people who can afford to hire a private guards and all that to guarantee that they will show up is unfair to other defendants who cannot hire private guards and cannot provide the court with the same kind of guarantees that it cost us tremendous amount of money to to provide all right you can't buy your way you should not be able to buy your way out of jail out of detention and you know I know that there's a history of that actually not being true in our country I think in the federal system it is more fair it is more equal and there are very good judges like judge Berman who I know very well who understands it with some time who's willing to put up his 77 million-dollar townhouse in part he's willing to put it up because he's got five other ones that is not real security and it also doesn't address the threat that this man poses to the victims part of why victims are willing to come forward right now is because he's in jail if he is out of jail they are more threatened by him and so you need that security you need witnesses he has a history of attempting and having people attempting to tamper with witnesses I think judge is going to take that very seriously we're gonna squeeze in a break here we're gonna come back with more on this subject when we come back we will be joined by an attorney who is representing one of the women who has come forward this week saying that she was abused by Jeffrey Epstein sexually at the age of fourteen that's when he began and that he forcibly raped her when she was 15 and she says that one of Jeffrey Epstein recruiters hung around outside her high school to find her and recruit her and bring her to meet Jeffrey Epstein that's nice one of the alleged victims of Jeffrey Epstein who came forward after he was arrested as Jennifer arose who went public with her accusations against Jeffrey Epstein yesterday in an interview with Savannah Guthrie did Jeffrey Epstein rape you yeah forcefully raped me know exactly what he was doing and I don't think cared what hurts even more so is that if I wasn't afraid to come forward sooner then maybe he wanted some other girls I feel really guilty until this day I feel really guilty sharing our discussion now is Kimberly Lerner she's one of the attorneys representing Jennifer Ross who has accused Jeffrey Epstein of raping her when she was 15 years old and Mimi Roca still was Kimberly I want to get your reaction to read Weingarten and Jeffrey Epstein his lawyers today asking the judge to allow him to go home for house arrest well that would be absolutely absurd first of all he's a flight risk he has more means than anyone second of all it's extremely intimidating to the victims and the witnesses my client Jennifer who just came forward she doesn't know who he could reach out to she doesn't want to live in fear I mean she's given up her anonymity at this point but she certainly doesn't need to live in fear of a predator who has every reason to keep her silent and Reid Weingarten Epstein's lawyer said today that really what he said the judges this is really just a routine Florida State possible prostitution charge it is not sex trafficking and then he misstated what the federal law on sex trafficking includes and what the very first word that the law uses his recruits anyone who recruits and what we heard we played virtually all of the of the interview that's been I got three last night and the audience heard last night Jennifer describing the recruitment process yes Jennifer had just transferred to a new school she had lost her father she was 14 years old when she was 12 your father died of AIDS and this older woman not older but older than her befriended her and found out her father died of AIDS something she was very embarrassed of at the time and started talking about this kind man this man who was into philanthropy this man who could help her nothing about massages was nothing like that was ever mentioned it was just a person who was I had a lot of money and wanted to help and Jennifer was finally convinced to go meet him and it was it was about a month that he just met her talk to her listened to her and told her how beautiful she was and then he would give her money to help her out there was no mention of massage no mention of anything he literally gained her trust he preyed upon her and it was a slow process and what strikes me about it is virtually everything we heard in that interview yesterday that we played in full that Jennifer describes everything she describes Reid Weingarten says did not happen in in his pleading to the judge today he says there was no recruitment he says that there's no accusation in Jeffrey Epstein ever using violence ever using force that's exactly what we heard Jennifer say yesterday that she was forcibly raped well that's his job his job is to deny all the allegations if he went in there and admitted it there'd be a problem right Jeffrey Epstein forcibly raped my client there is no adds ifs or buts about it it doesn't matter if she voluntarily massaged him it doesn't matter if she was in her underwear she was a 14 year old child you can't lose sight you know these 14 year olds they may look like they're 16 they may look like they're 18 I have a 14 year old they're children and there's a reason why the law protects them but regardless he forced himself inside of her and there was no excuse and he needs to be brought down maybe in your experience how do you expect the judge to rule on this on Monday they're gonna have a hearing on this on Monday I never want to make predictions but again I know judge Berman I've been in front of Judge Berman he is going to weigh this very carefully a defendant has a right for all of these things to be considered but in this case with these charges where there is a presumption of detention and this man is such a flight risk given his resources given the incentive to flee because of the time that he is facing and given the past behavior towards potential victim witnesses and the potential for them to be deterred now I really do think he will be today I think he should be detained and I think that the Southern District of New York is well prepared for these arguments and like you said we my garden is doing his job but you know this isn't one victim even if it was I'm not saying she shouldn't believe this isn't one person this is many they corroborate each other there is a pattern here of coercion fraud and violence manipulation of girls this is a manipulative man and I really do think that the judge will do the right thing in detaining you terribly how would how would Jennifer feel if the judge allows Jeffrey Epstein to go home under house arrest conditions I think she would be nervous I mean her faces out there he knows what he did and I think that she would feel like she has to look over her shoulder he is a predator it is a danger to have him out in society he will continue to harm children he's sick and we need to be protected from somebody like this and actually it's interesting it is ban on memo I don't think he even addresses the photographs that were found in telic quickly before we go how was Jennifer doing she's 48 hours into a new chapter of life that's unlike anything we can really imagine uh Jennifer is one of the strongest women I've ever met she's she's doing great I you know her she doesn't want to make the media circuit you won't see her again Jennifer told her story she wants other victims to come forward and she really she wants justice and I think I think together we're going to get justice attorneys Kimberly Lerner and Mimi Roca thank you both very much I appreciate it and when we come back we have new polling shows a possible statistical tie let's write a possible statistical tie for the new frontrunner in the Democratic presidential race that is next there's a new NBC news/wall Street Journal poll of the Democratic presidential field tonight with very good news for Elizabeth Warren who is in a possible statistical tie with Joe Biden Joe Biden is polling at 26% but Elizabeth Warren is polling at 19% but the margin of error is a full four point nine percent which means that if Joe Biden's number is about three points lower which it could be and if Elizabeth Warren's real number is actually about three points higher which it might be then they could be possibly in a statistical tie there is also very good news for Connell Harris in this poll she has moved up to third place tied with Bernie Sanders at 13% and Peter Budaj judges polling at 7% everyone else is polling at 2% or 1% or 0% here's Elizabeth Warren today rolling out her new immigration plan it starts with expanding legal immigration families have been held apart for too long part two is a path to citizenship for everyone who is here to stay part three to this plan is to say we have got to stop the crisis at the border I will stop the crisis at the border and here's Joe Biden today in New York City on foreign policy as President nighted States I would remind the world that we are the United States of America we do not coddle dictators the United States of America gives hate no safe harbor there are no more Charlottesville's no more helsinki's the challenge of following this disastrous presidency over will not be just to restore the reputation our credibility it'll be to enact a forward-looking foreign policy for the world as we find it today and as we anticipate it will be tomorrow and years to come and just in the last hour senator Kemal Harris said this about President Trump to Rachel Maddow you know this is a guy who takes the word of the Russian president over the word of the American intelligence community when it comes to the fact that Russia interfered in the election he takes it embraces the word of a North Korean dictator over the word of the American intelligence community when it comes to add American student who was tortured and later died he embraces the Saudi prince over the word of the American intelligence community when it comes to a journalist who was assassinated after this break we will dig deeper into this poll which actually shows that most of you have not yet made a firm decision on exactly who you're gonna vote for next year in these primaries you are open most of you to changing your mind at this point but these new polls put enormous pressure on the candidates as they approach the second round of debates we believe in freedom of religion that's why we'll end the Muslim ban we believe in the power of free press that's why I'll return immediately to daily press briefings in the White House I'll reverse Trump's detrimental Asylum policies the Biden administration was immediately in the horrific practice of separating families at our borders turning our campaign discussion now is an elinsky a national political reporter for The Washington Post who is covering the Elizabeth Warren presidential campaign and Jeff Morales Rockette oh the co-founder of super majority and co-chair of families belong together annie let me start with you you're covering the Elizabeth Warren campaign this is something you did when she was running for a Senate the Boston Globe here you are on the presidential campaign does it feel different are you feeling in the campaign what we're seeing in these polls oh absolutely I mean that you certainly see it I could really see it tonight here in Wisconsin with Elizabeth's Town Hall I mean she has the sort of spark in her her step she's much crisper than she has been in the past and she's just really up there having fun and when you're a winning candidate it's fun right but and that certainly translates I mean I think that her staff is you know they're looking at this as the polar coaster and they don't want to be riding up and down with the polar coaster so I think that they are quite disciplined and how they look at these polls and they realize how early it is but I mean you know you can say all that and then then you watch her in front of a crowd of 1,500 people tonight and and you can certainly see that she was really having fun up there I think I just want to tell the controller my thinking and he just rewrote the banner for this segment it's polar coaster right that's all line up on this polar coaster that we have up to today Joe Biden at 26 Elizabeth Warren at 19 Connell Harris at 13 Bernie Sanders at 13 Pete Buddha judge at 7 Jess you're a veteran of the Hillary Clinton campaign you know what it's like to be in that big Biden like front-runner campaign where they're trying to catch up how do you see this tonight yeah well you know I think Joe Biden really needed a big victory ever since the more he kind of opens his mouth the lower his poll numbers go so you know he's been apologizing for basically the entire first month of his campaign it's good that he got some strong performance and foreign policy but you know I agree I think like right now this is Elizabeth Warren's game and she's really made this election about ideas which I'm not sure we would have said that's what was going to happen this time on the Democratic side and the more she talks about those ideas the more her poll numbers go up and I'm stressing the margin of error tonight more than I usually do and one reason for that is it's bigger than it usually is in this poll it's 4.9 and we're used to having them in the three-point range and the low fours and so I would look at it any with the other campaigns and with Elizabeth Warren's campaign with the optimistic possibility that there's even much more happening in this polling field right now than this margin of error allows us to see oh for sure I mean I thought one of the most interesting things about this poll is it really demonstrated just how fluid this race can be because you have you know you had twenty twelve percent of people saying that they were absolutely certain who are they gonna vote for and that's leaving a large large swath for any of these candidates to really grow and you know Elizabeth Warren she's gonna have to grow and you've seen Biden obviously this poll showed that his numbers have gone in the opposite direction but that space to grow is what's giving all of these candidates a lot of optimism and that's why you're seeing people still joining the race all right we're gonna have to squeeze in a break here and just when we come back I want you to tell me if my interpretation of the 12% is correct my interpret that the 12% locked in is a very good thing for Democrats in the Democratic Party because it means that Democratic voters are open to the possibility of maybe their favorite doesn't make it and they are ready to go with whoever they have to go with think it over during the commercial break we're gonna be right back with more president rom decided today to withdraw his his court challenge to include the citizenship question in the census what's her reaction of that Wow he's gonna follow the law this is not about trying to find out real information about citizenship and non citizenship in America this is just about trying to stir up some more hate back with us any Lenski and just Meraz Burkett oh yes so what do you make about the 12% in the new NBC poll who say they are firmly committed to their Democratic candidate and only 12% I mean honestly it kind of warms my heart like I think American voters are still really committed to democracy which you could get mistaken for in this presidency so I think it's great they want to see candidates they want to see what they have to say you know and that's why I think you can't count out these debates moving forward it's really important for candidates to have a super strong performance and I think that's why you're seeing Harris and the mix there you know she really distinguished herself in the last debate that prosecutorial background of hers she put it to good use and and not only she had a good performance but her campaign also knew how to make a moment and that's the kind of edge that she's gonna need and that's really gonna serve her well in the long term Annie one of the tougher numbers in the poll for Elizabeth Warren is black support it shows Joe Biden way out in front on that way beyond any margin of error 46 percent Connell Harris second at 17% Bernie Sanders at 11 and then Elizabeth Warren comes in for third eight people two judges down at three oh yeah and that's a number that Elizabeth Warren has been well aware that she needs to work on really from day one you know you saw her even before she announced giving a big speech at a historically black college in Baltimore where she laid out some of the themes about housing her opposition and her understanding of redlining and the effects that that's had on black communities instead she laid that out at that speech in Baltimore and she's consistently been hammering that message again and again and again between before white and black audiences quite frankly but it you haven't seen it move the needle yet and I know that um they've also the campaign has worked very hard with black influencers and I think in that area particularly younger and female block influencers you've seen them change their minds a little bit you know you've seen them come along people who were suspicious of her in the past you know are on Twitter saying really good things about her but for that to translate into actual numbers I mean you're absolutely right if that's a difficult number for her and he will also say you know with South Carolina which is a course you know the fourth and this first of four primaries that's an area where I've gone there with her and she's had trouble drawing black audiences and so I you know that's something that we're just always watching is how she deals with her own events in that state and how she gets in front of these audiences adjust your reaction to the black support numbers in this new poll yeah you know black voters in particular black women voters are among the most informed Democratic primary voters the most reliable Democratic primary voters so it's smart for any candidate to really make sure that they are appealing to that base I do also think that because they are such high informed voters you know especially black women you see them taking their time to really come to events to watch the debates so I would expect that you'll see those numbers for Vice President Biden go down he's benefiting from his association with Obama but he seems to be doing everything he can to ruin that and you'll start to see those numbers from Warren and Harris move up as quickly as possible Jasper Oliver Kettle gets tonight's last word any linski just thank you both for joining us tonight really appreciate it that is the last word the 11th hour with Brian Williams starts now


  1. J A C C
    J A C C July 12, 2019

    Sorry dude you garbled the margin of error explanation. It means for there to be a statistically projectable difference at 95% confidence (usually) in their standing the %s have to be at least 5% pts apart. They are, however, so close based on the margin of error that you may argue the difference is not terribly meaningful. Also the trends (albeit, short term) are bringing the two in different directions.

  2. scot woodz
    scot woodz July 12, 2019


  3. wolke1955
    wolke1955 July 12, 2019

    Epstein will have another kind of "fun" in jail as El Rapo from Kids πŸ‘ŠπŸ‘£πŸ‘€

    Guess Trump and Barr have some own dirt with "El Rapo Epstein" πŸ€”

    Hope that all name's from those dirty man come out to day light!

  4. Garth Burnett
    Garth Burnett July 12, 2019

    so what part of this did Biden HUMILIATE Trump???? I HATE THE FALSE ADVERTISING!!

  5. Student Loans Are Cool
    Student Loans Are Cool July 12, 2019

    Trump is like a wife beater, a wild beast raging, because he cant get past the fact that he is not a dictator. his first victims? Of course brown people. I think people will end up calling the cops on ICE if they try invading homes of legal citizens.

  6. Student Loans Are Cool
    Student Loans Are Cool July 12, 2019

    If you look closely you could see trump pulling strings on barr.

  7. Yong K peterson
    Yong K peterson July 12, 2019

    God please help us.

  8. Yong K peterson
    Yong K peterson July 12, 2019


  9. Yong K peterson
    Yong K peterson July 12, 2019


  10. Tim Miller
    Tim Miller July 12, 2019

    Sen Bennet for President. Watch Sen Bennet and Ted Cruz debate it was epic and shows he's patriotism and views on whats wrong with America

  11. Daniel Quinn
    Daniel Quinn July 12, 2019

    What a fine pair of assholes Barr and trump. They both should of been impeached weeks ago
    If you don’t stand up to the cruel bully they will see that as a sign of weakness and take their bullying to another level
    These two feel emboldened by the lack of effort of the dems, hold witnesses in contempt ale them to court arrest their sorry asses. Do bloody something these creatures are out of control
    People live in fear the gustapo are coming to get them, vile trump gets off on creating fear
    You have to stop this psycho before you have no recourse

  12. Buddy Piper
    Buddy Piper July 12, 2019

    Politics make us seem dumb. We are not dumb. Remember that.

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