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Hillary Clinton on the ‘Perfect Storm’ That Lost Her the Election

Yeah, you were just
talking to Mr. Mathis, huh? I was talking to Mr. Mathis. My gosh. That was amazing. Yeah. What a great guy. What a brave man. Yeah. Um, hi. Hi. Yeah, it seems like the
last time I saw you, you said we were going to do
the show in the White House, and we were all
excited about that. We would have, too. Yeah, we were going to do that. Yeah. Well, it didn’t
work out that way. No, it didn’t. So I thought I’d come back
and see how you’re doing. Yeah, thanks. Thanks. Not so good. Not so good. Well, but, you know,
I’m trying to stay in a really positive
frame of mind. You know, I always say when
people ask me, how are you? I say, well, as
a person, I’m OK. But as an American, I
am really concerned. I’m a little tiny less
concerned after Alabama because I think it was a great
example of people understanding what was at stake, and working
hard, and actually turning out and voting. Nothing is more
important than that. So it was positive. Yeah, that showed that. So let’s– I mean you talk
about it in your book– but let’s talk about– so you were here three
weeks before the election. Yes. You were confident. I was. I was confident. A lot of people were confident. I mean, it seemed like
it was a for-sure thing. I mean, what a shock. What happened? What was going
through your mind when you saw what was happening? Well, it’s one of
the reasons why I decided to write
the book– because I didn’t know what happened. I knew there were
certain factors at work, and after the election I learned
a lot more about the impact that they had. I mean, it was a perfect storm. I mean, there were
a lot of currents of resentment and anger
about all kinds of things. In the country, there was a
lot of sexism and misogyny– which now, thankfully, we’re
kind of pulling out of the dark and talking about. There was voter
suppression– people trying to prevent
other Americans from being able to vote. There was the FBI’s
intervention on October 28, after I saw you, which
had a devastating effect. Because people
thought, oh my gosh, I can’t vote for somebody
who is once again under FBI investigation, even though there
was– again– nothing to it. And then there
were the Russians. The Russians. And the Russians were
much more involved than even I understood. And so, after the election,
and after the real devastating shock of it, I kept saying,
well, what happened? You know, because I
wanted to understand it. Because obviously,
I made mistakes. My campaign made mistakes. Every candidate,
every campaign, does. And I wanted to be as candid
about those as possible. But I knew that there
was more at work. And so, it wasn’t just
about me and my election. It really was about
these forces at play. So I decided I’d dive
in and write this book. It was really painful. I mean, I’d write
and I’d literally have to go and lie down. It was so painful. But it ended up being cathartic. And so, writing the book,
going for walks in the woods, playing with my dogs, doing
yoga, seeing my grandkids, cleaning my closets,
drinking chardonnay– I mean, all of that– That all helps. That all helped a lot. And during that time– is there any part of you
now, or during that time, that you’re just like, aah. I’m glad. I mean, your whole
life has been that. So are you happy now to just
be a person and have freedom? Because that must
have been exhausting. It’s great. I get to see my
friends, my family. I get to do things
that I really enjoy. On the other hand, I see
things happening that I know are bad for the country. And one of the reasons
I was so thrilled about Doug Jones
getting elected is that, all through
his campaign, he talked about reauthorizing the
Children’s Health Insurance Program, something
that I helped to start in the late ’90s, which
was totally bipartisan. And nine million kids get their
health care because of it. And it’s going to run out. And kids are going to
lose their health care. So I was so proud and grateful
to see somebody say, hey, we’ve got to get this reauthorized. So I do see things that
go on every day that really disturb me a lot. And obviously, I think, I
wouldn’t have done that, or boy, I can’t believe
they’re doing this. So, yeah, it does
bother me still. That must happen
every five minutes. It does. It does. That’s why I’m on a
kind of news diet. Because I can’t watch it all
the time because I really do get agitated. Yeah. I mean, I can imagine. I feel the same way because
it upsets me so much. And when you see
what’s going on– and you can’t write
some of this stuff. You’re just thinking,
if this was a movie, people would go, oh that– there’s no way. That would– And it just continues to go on. I mean, do you think
that he’s really going to last four years? Well, you know, I
can’t answer that. I can’t predict it. But I believe that it
really does come down to both the investigation
that’s going on and to whether Republicans will
decide that they have to put our country before their party. And I hope that enough of
them will decide to do that, because it is disturbing. And it’s obviously
upsetting to me because I see things
happening around the world that are bad for our
country, that are dangerous, that really pose a threat. And then I see all this
happening inside our country. And when they push
through this tax plan, it’s going to hurt
so many people. Look, it’s going to help a
lot of really rich people. That’s who they care about. That’s who their donors are. But it’s going to hurt– I mean, can you
imagine taking away the deduction for
teachers who buy supplies for their classrooms? Who thinks like that? And so, there’s a lot that’s
going to end up hurting people. And then, obviously, flaming
the flames of white supremacy and misogyny and homophobia
and everything else that is, unfortunately, at work. So I think the
investigation will go on, and that will lead
where it leads. But at some point,
Republicans who control the Congress
have to say, we don’t really want
to let this go on. We have to investigate. Or we have to win back the House
and the Senate next November, which is something I hope we do. And then, we can get back to
doing the people’s business. All right. We have to take a break. I have to say, I don’t want
to– because I don’t believe that you can group a whole bunch
of people together– there are some Republicans that are
really good, good people and have good intentions. So it is the party,
the Republican party– this is not what it was. This is not what it should be. And so, I do not want
to bash Republicans. I don’t want to bash anybody. I think that’s
important for me to say. Because I obviously
wanted you to be president and believed in
you and have strong opinions. But I also want to say that
I don’t judge everybody by this president.

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